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261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: how much does it cost to "produce" 1 BTC currently? and how much power is used? on: May 17, 2011, 12:10:27 AM
hmm so basically for every BTC 144 pounds of carbon dioxide are created (1kwH creates about a pound on average)?!
every BTC generated by my mining-rigs is 100% carbon dioxide neutral, no matter how many kWh they consume.
don't fire up your rigs (or anything else) with dirty energy, if you want a greener world. Wink
262  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why don't we use the computing power for something useful? on: May 16, 2011, 11:57:12 PM
I think it is by far better to cure some diseases than to create a free money system,
thing is, you are not curing any diseases, you're just trying to and it's likely that you'll never have any success and will instead only waste energy,
we (the miners), on the other hand, are already successful, it's alive, the free money system exists and works for anyone, because of our work.
263  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why don't we use the computing power for something useful? on: May 16, 2011, 08:32:42 PM
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And we (the miners) would do something better with our hardware than just heating the room to get coins.
...
we (the miners) don't heat our rooms to "get coins",
we (the miners) make it possible to transfer coins,
that we're getting coins for doing it is just a nice side-effect (but for most people the only reason to do it).

up to you if you think trying to help cure some diseases is better or worse than creating a free money system (free like free of control).
pro money-system is, that you can make profit of it,
not sure about any pros of folding, besides heating rooms of course. Grin
264  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTC Guild - 0% Fee Mining Pool (Long polling, JSON API) on: May 13, 2011, 12:57:20 AM
update on that WorkerSpeed bug:

have been mining some namecoins for a few hours,
when i switched my miners to it, the Worker Speed finaly changed and dropped from that 978.30Mhps to 0Mhps.  Grin
however, put them back on the guild right after my namecoin-session, the WorkerSpeed went up to 944.89Mhps and now, about 30minutes later, still shows exactly 944.89Mhps (while workers crunch at ~1.7Ghps, based on share-calc).

it's 6 miners on a single worker-account, just for info.
265  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin Randomizer, just a stupid pyramid scheme on: May 12, 2011, 10:32:12 PM
it means, someone signed up on your downline (either clicked your ref-link, or you have been randomly chosen),
but that someone hasn't sent 1BTC yet to activate his account (and maybe never will, who knows).
266  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 08:03:35 PM
Officialy, no I am not interested.
should have been "no I am not serious, just wanted to fool some people with this thread".

anyway, good luck with your mining-service-business.

267  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
are you serious?
i still can't believe you are.

if i sell you BTC today, it's no longer my BTC, it's yours.

i don't care if you claim it now, or next week, or in a year, or in a hundred years from now.
if you don't want them now, i can send them to a fresh wallet, put that wallet on an SD card, or print out QRcodes of its keys and hold them for you over the next couple of years

i would immediately buy (different) BTCs back on the market from the $ you pay me and would have the same amount of BTCs that i had before (plus a couple of cents profit per BTC for me).

why would i care what happens to those BTC you bought?

if i were you though,
i would take them now and keep them somewhere save myself,
that way i wouldn't have to trust any other person besides myself (in our deal, you have to trust me for as long as you want me to hold your coins).
268  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin is not used as money anymore on: May 12, 2011, 07:28:57 PM
Most of the volume is MTG trades :/ I've done thousands of dollars on MTG, but none to buy something
That's just you then, I've bought a bunch of stuff.
i second that, i've bought a bunch of stuff, but didn't do a single trade on MtGox in the last couple of weeks.
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Thing is, most of the things you can buy with BTC is overpriced unless you are in the US
again, that's just you,
all depends on how convenient, or unconvenient it is.

i don't care, if i don't get the current MtGox exchange rate, when i buy a domain, or stuff for bitcoins,
because i didn't pay the current MtGox exchange rates for those coins that i buy stuff with.

you might think, that buying stuff for 1BTC costs you $5.75,
i think, is it worth to pay 1BTC, or not? i don't care about the dollar, nor the MtGox rate.

there's stuff i want to have and i want to have it now, can i pay in bitcoins? deal.

different case would be, if you need to buy BTC to buy stuff with them,
that obviously doesn't make much sense right now, you'll have to get dollars online, have to get them into MtGox somehow, have to buy and get BTC out, 'til you finally can buy stuff, that probably would have been cheaper if just bought with USD.


269  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 06:59:03 PM
How long does your offer stand, I will pay you today for 4BTC a year from now at $25.

from now?
if you pay me $25 today, i don't actually care, if you take those 4BTC today, or if you take them in a decade, or if your grandgrandchildren take them someday, it'll still be 4BTC.

thing is, you don't offer 2BTC/day, you offer 300Mhps/day,
in a year from now (or in 1487blocks to be precise) you won't get 2BTC per day from those 300Mhashes anymore.

besides that, i made YOU another offer,
you said you only have 3 GPUs to spare,
so if you get more than 3 customers that want to take your service over a long term,
i'll happily jump in to help you.

you get $750/month/300Mhps from your customers,
i rent 1Ghps from vladimir for ~$500/month and send it to you for only $750/month,
you can then resell to 3 of your customers for 3*750= 2250.
win-win-win-win
vladimir will win, i will win, you will win and i guess your customers get the best deal of all.

what do you think, are we in business?
270  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTC Guild - 0% Fee Mining Pool (Long polling, JSON API) on: May 12, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
something with your Worker Speed calculations must be wrong (or maybe it just doesn't do anything at all).
it's only the Speed display though, nothing for users to worry about.

i just noticed that it shows very low numbers according to my miners and actually doesnt change at all, even after half an hour (which seemed strange if it's an estimate based on the last 15minutes),
so i did a short test,
reset my worker-stats, wrote down the Round Duration Time,
waited a couple of minutes and reloaded the page,
checked the Round Duration Time, Shares in that timeframe and did some maths.

share-count is fine and fits to my workers work (aprox. 1.7Ghash/s), Worker Speed still shows 978.30Mhash/s (like written in stone, for about the last hour or so).
271  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 04:06:23 PM
He is banking on the constant payment and you are banking on the long-term gains.
no, he's not,
he's offering 1day 300Mhash/s  for $25,
the market is offering 2BTC for $12 *now*.

with his deal, you can use those 300Mhashes/s 24hours on a pool, which will gain you ~2BTC in about 20more hours,
you pay $25 and have to wait about 44hours to receive your ~2BTC.

with the market deal,
you pay $12 and get 2BTC immediately.

you must really be generous, if you take his deal,
but it can in no way gain you any more profit than the market-deal.

my offer stands,
if you really think, 4BTC for $25 is worse, than 2BTC for $25,
i would love to give you just 1BTC for $25 (which by your logic would be an even more awesome deal).

oh and on the long term it doesn make any sense to get those 1day-contracts,
same thing, different *market*.

why would you pay $750/month for 300Mhash/s,
when you only need $300-500/month for 1000Mhash/s?


272  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin is not used as money anymore on: May 12, 2011, 03:52:57 PM
where do you see that?

i spent more bitcoins for services recently, than i did before,
but i guess you haven't seen me doing it.
273  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
$50/day? how would 2BTC be worth $50/day?
they might be worth $50 someday, so what?
4BTC would be worth $100 the same day.

but i get it,
you really believe, that paying $25 for 2BTC is a better deal than paying $25 for 4BTC.

we should do business together,
i'd really like to sell you 2BTC for $20, but feel free to pay $40.
274  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: outline for a simpler virtual currency on: May 12, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
why not just use Bitcoin instead?

it doesnt need secure booting, remote attestationing (is that a word?) and trustworthy hardware or OSes,
it doesnt need any user verification,
it doesnt need a secure software content management service,
it doesnt need a secure software distribution system.

but anyway, i'm sure you're system is much simpler.
275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: outline for a simpler virtual currency on: May 12, 2011, 02:22:30 PM
all we need is a identity-check system, a trustworthy-check system with remote access to all computers and a transaction system,
as simple as that.

oh and someone in control of all those systems to make sure noones cheating and maybe someone who controls the guy in control.

but it's all totally unrelated to eachother, decentralized and anonymous and doesn't rely on internet-connections, i think it's a perfect system,
why did nobody else come up with that yet?
276  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
I don't think this offer is so off the wall for someone who is speculating that bitcoin will continue growth well beyong 10-20 bucks per.

why would someone pay $2, if he can have it for $1?
if someone who is speculating that bitcoin will continue growth,
why would he pay 25 bucks to generate 2BTC, instead of paying 25 bucks to buy 4BTC?

he'd make twice as much profit, wouldn't it be silly to take the worse offer?

To clarify, are you only offering a term of one day, or can someone contract with you for say a few months?

and again, why would someone pay $750/month for 300Mh/s,
if one can get 800Mh/s for $280/month?
even 1Gh/s for £400/month would be a way better deal, but it's your choice.  Cheesy

and to the OP:
if you get more customers than you have GPUs,
feel free to give me a call, i could think about sending you some 300Mhashes/s for...let's say $22/day, that you can resell.
277  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Exchanges That Accept paysafecard on: May 12, 2011, 12:01:58 AM
VirWox accepts paysafecards,
so you'd theoreticaly also be able to cash-out in bitcoins (indirectly, by first trading to SLL and then from SLL to BTC),
but you would not only pay a trade fee twice (to trade into SLL and out to BTC), plus 0.10BTC to withdraw BTC,
paysafecards are also the most expensive way to fund VirWox, they take a 20% cut.

never used paysafecards myself and probably never will, with exorbitant fees like that.
guess the best choice would be to deal with people that need them real bad.

278  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: 100%iger BitCoin-Kreislauf on: May 11, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
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Klingt logisch, ansonsten könnte ich als Händler ja Ware für EUR einkaufen/steuerlich absetzen und für BitCoins steuerfrei verkaufen
du würdest sie garnicht verkaufen, könntest also den einkauf nicht steuerlich absetzen,
du würdest die ware selbst verwenden, in dem fall halt, um sie gegen bitcoins zu tauschen.

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Solange ich kein Gewerbe habe und die BitCoins nicht in steuerlich relevante Realwährungen umtausche, kann ich Privat meine Dienstleistungen anbieten.
das seh ich genauso, wobei ich das eher nachbarschaftshilfe, oder freundschaftsdienst nennen würde, als dienstleistung,
du solltest nicht grad ne genaue preisliste auslegen, oder nen festgelegten stundensatz verlangen, sonst wird man da schnell misstrauisch und schaut genauer nach, was du so treibst und/oder hegt zweifel an der privatheit.

ich kann mir aber nicht vorstellen, dass in der richtung in den kommenden jahren viel unheil droht,
in SecondLife werden auch einige millionen-umsätze erzielt, die auf keiner steuererklärung auftauchen und niemanden kümmerts, "ist ja nur ein spiel", ergo auchnur "spielgeld" (auch wenn die millionen echte euros sind).

bitcoin craigslist is fein, beschränke dich dabei nicht auf deutschland, mindestens europaweit, besser global,
die anderen wollen ja auch.  Wink
279  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: 100%iger BitCoin-Kreislauf on: May 11, 2011, 03:57:02 PM
moin 

zunächst mal ist es für die anmeldung nicht wirklich wichtig, ob du das gewerbe privat betreibst, oder nicht,
die einzige frage bleibt also, OB du ein gewerbe betreibst, oder nicht.

in deinem fall also erstmal nicht, da du ja nicht die absicht hast, gewinne zu erzielen.
es spielt keine rolle, das es märkte gibt, auf denen man bitcoins kaufen und verkaufen kann,
es gibt auch märkte (zumindest denk ich mal, dass es sie gibt), auf denen man pokemon-karten kaufen und verkaufen kann,
trotzdem wird das finanzamt dich nicht jagen, wenn du fürs fensterputzen bei der oma nebenan ein paar davon von ihr geschenkt bekommst, selbst wenn du beim entrümpeln ihres kellers hilfst und nen picasso findest und sie ihn dir schenkt, hast du dadurch kein versteuerbares einkommen, oder irgendwelche gewinne erzielt, auch wenn der picasso ein paar millionen wert ist.
prinzipiell sind bitcoins nicht anders.

WENN du allerdings ein gewerbe betreibst, und zB kosten steuerlich absetzen willst oder in anderer weise buch führen musst,
sieht die sache schon anders aus, kannst ja als verkäufer schlecht behaupten, du hast deine ware verschenkt und deshalb nur minus gemacht.
bitcoin-verkäufe musst du dann irgendwie so umrechnen, wies in deine bücher passt, so wie's jeder andere gewerbetreibende auch macht,
dann sind bitcoins nicht anders zu behandeln, als bargeld, da kannste auch lügen, darfste aber nich.   Wink
wie du bitcoins in euros umrechnest und welche exchange-rate welches marktes du zugrundelegst, wird man dir kaum vorschreiben können.


der 100% kreislauf ist natürlich das optimum, naja, für diejenigen, die bitcoin wegen all der möglichkeiten nutzen die es bietet und nicht aus rein spekulativen zwecken.
obwohl man ja beides miteinander verbinden kann, ich kann ja am geschlossenen system teilnehmen und sogar meine brötchen mit bitcoins bezahlen und trotzdem vom wert-zuwachs profitieren, weil ich nächste woche nurnoch halb soviele bitcoins für die brötchen zahlen muss.  Grin
280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining pools and Web of Trust on: May 11, 2011, 02:59:24 PM
of course its influence on the bitcoin-network IS proportional to its hashing power.

mining-nodes have influence, non-mining-nodes only participate without any influence.

every node verifies blocks that it gets from other nodes, to check if they are valid,
blocks contain hashes (from the previous blocks and transactions), that everyone knows about (because it's written in the blockchain), but non-mining nodes don't need much hashing-power to verify blocks (smartphones work well).
non-mining nodes just don't create any new blocks, they download them as soon as someone else creates them
and you only have influence, if you create new blocks.

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