sad that it still doesn't run both 5970 cores,
i'm still forced to use poclbm_py2exe_20101126 on GPU2 (which runs fine, except it crashes, or just stops working from time to time, at least on the pool).

transaction fees tend to zero anyway, don't they?
i generated a couple of hundred blocks since around may 2010 and only got transaction-fees (of around 0.02 as far as i remember) twice.
that's not even close to cover anyones server-costs, would be more than just ok if slush just keeps it for himself. 

i first though, you made up a new PTC site that pays in bitcoins, had that idea myself (to offer another way to 'earn' bitcoins),
seems you only want refs on some 'usual' PTCs though.

it also doesn't make much sense to me, let's say it takes 1minute and you get 1cent,
that's a whole 60cents for an hour of work (as stupid as it is, it's still work todo), that's not actually an impressive amount of money.
if you're willing to work for less than a dollar per hour, i guess there's some better jobs out there.

of course i need housing, a connection and stuff,
still energy is the most expensive part.

and when i look for alternatives because of my high energy-costs (i don't wanna compete, hopefully some others will), i won't take those that are even more expensive.  

it's still a quite expensive service.

being located in one of those countries that "..are at the end of the list.." (~$0.29US per kWh) i'm always looking for alternatives to mining-on-my-own-at-home.

nevertheless just building a brand new dual-5970-system and running it on my own would still be a lot cheaper than your offer, actually i could run up to 4x 5970 for the same (monthly) price, paying twice as much for energy than you do (according to your post here).

had them, when he shot the pics.

i also got a lot of "invalid or stale" hashes last night from ~0:00-4:00 server-time (that's when i decided to leave the pool),
on both of my cards, HD5970 and HD5850, i doubt it's the miner (poclbm0104) though.

testing right now and it seems like everythings back to normal.

as mentioned sometimes already,
running 5970-windows-systems, it's impossible (at least to me) to run the latest m0mchil versions on both cores,
it's not a problem (or less problematic, but it works) to run pretty old versions (<20101126 on both cores, or second core only) though.

last Diablo miner i tried worked fine on both cores, but lags my deskotp down too damn much to still use it efficiently.

what exactly does partially solved share mean?
you either find a winning-hash (equally to solve a block at difficulty 1) and get a share, or you don't.
what kind of partially work is there to take into account?

aber ist nicht genau das der punkt?
bei der sogenannten "geringen menge"-regelung handelt es sich doch lediglich um eine richtlinie, bis zu der ein strafverfahren eingestellt werden kann,
da sind sich richter und staatsanwälte nichtmal innerhalb der bundesländer einig und können quasi entscheiden, wie sie wollen. gerätst du an den falschen, haste eben pech gehabt, da spielts auch keine rolle, wo du wohnst, oder wo man dich erwischt hat.

und niemand hat die bürgerliche pflicht, zu jedem und allem seine meinung zu äußern, selbst wenn man eine hat.
ich bin ganz und garnicht deiner meinung, dass ein bürger, der von seinem recht auf nichtäußerung seiner meinung/zu schweigen gebrauch macht, auf ganzer linie versagt. wer nicht sagt, was ihm nicht passt, darf sich halt auch nicht beschweren, das sich nichts ändert.

ihr glaubt aber nich wirklich, dass es hilfreich/sinnvoll ist, wenn Leute von innerhalb Deutschlands diese petition unterzeichnen, oder?

den Konsum kann man im übrigen nicht entkriminalisieren, da er selbst keine strafbare handlung darstellt, was nicht kriminell ist....
eine "geringe Menge" existiert (zumindest offiziell) nicht, kann also auch nicht angehoben, geschweige denn im BTMG festgelegt werden.
von hausdurchsuchungen und EKD behandlungen von konsumenten hab ich auch nochnie was gehört, obwohl ich schon seit ~20jahren konsumiere, reichlich andere konsumenten kenne und auch selbst schon an der grenze "erwischt" wurde, zeug weg, einstellung des verfahrens nach ~2wochen, das wars.
bei schmugglern, händlern und bauern mag das ja vorkommen (auch wenn mir da nur ein einziger fall bekannt ist, bei dem allerdings nicht nur Cannabis im spiel war), konsumenten die je ne hausdurchsuchung über sich ergehen lassen mussten, kenne ich keine.

und selbst wenn ein, zwei, oder mehr politiker ihren arsch hochkriegen und (vor der wahl) groß versprechen, sie werden was an der (in der tat katastrophalen) situation ändern, haben sie das nach der wahl schnell vergessen (selbst Kohl und Schröder hatten das mal auf der agenda, vor der wahl).

wie gesagt, ich konsumiere selbst regelmäßig seit etwa 20jahren und etwa genausolang hoffe ich, das sich was tut,
wobei ich die hoffnung eigentlich schon vor ~10jahren aufgegeben habe.

ich schätze, die erfolgsquote für diese petition tendiert gegen null.

this is definitely NOT true.
as i posted earlier in this thread running both 5970 GPUs on crossfire-activated windows with poclbm_py2exe_20101126 works (almost) perfect, both cores get their ~300M, both cores find hashes/solve blocks/earn bitcoins.

the only problem remaining is, that poclbm_py2exe_20101126 stops working, or crashes, when slush restarts the pool-server (which isn't a problem when mining on my own), so i always have to keep an eye on the miner to make sure it's still running.
i can't do that 24/7, which is why i currently use 2 miner-versions, poclbm_py2exe_20110104 on my first core, poclbm_py2exe_20101126 on second core, so only one core stops working on a server-restart/-crash.

it would really be cool, if you could check what you changed after 20101126 and this could be solved, so that windows-users aren't limited anymore to a single core (when using latest miner-versions).
until then, every win-user should try my way, to get both dual-gpu-cores mining.

that's correct, but you're also losing sub-cents.

let's say you contribute and generate 0.05436279 bitcoins.
the GUI tells you "Generated 0.05btc.." and as soon as you send those 0.05btc to another address, you've lost 0.00436279 bitcoins.
that's even worse if you just contribute very little CPU power and only generate 0.00999999btc or less per block,
you'll see that you "Generated 0.00btc...", but you will not be able to spend/send them, without losing them.

i can't see how this is "better", can you?

please explain in which way this is "better".

untrue,
he has got "an idea" about it, he didn't even ask what his users think about it and i guess i'm not the only one who doesn't like that idea.

and i wouldn't be as sure as you are about puddinpop's miner being the fastest possible on CPUs,
maybe it's your setup.

what's an average PSU?
with 450W you can easily power a HD5970, or 2 HD5850, which will not receive 1 unit (btc) every 2 years, but receive ~50 units a day, quite a difference, isnt it?

and besides the fact, that generating bitcoin-blocks on CPUs isn't profitable at all,
if you need 450W to power a CPU, something is very wrong on your setup.

must have been doublecs pool.
i got 30bitcents too. 

of course you can be scammed, you'll always need to trust a pool-admin.

but i wasn't talking about greedy, dishonest people,
just about the advantage of pooled mining, expecting an honest admin.

almost anyone seems to trust the admins of MyBitcoin, MtGox, or other services,
which hold a lot more coins than any of the (2) pools we've seen so far ever generated.
why not trust a pool-admin the same way?
at least give him a few days of "trust in advance", so he can get everything sorted and the system running.

the topic starter doesn't and still calls himself optimistic.
 

i can see your point, although i don't really get it.

on one hand you say, you get a chance to get paid much more,
on the other hand you say, from the mathematical point of view, the average expected payout is exactly the same.

what is it now, much more, or exactly the same?
obviously it's the same, the bad side of standalone-mining (at least for low-power-contributors) is,
that you risk to lose it all and get nothing in the end.
in the pool you get the same payout, in form of micropayments, but without the risk to lose it.

except for the thrill, there's nothing to win in standalone-mining, but a few coins to lose.

anyway, as long as you push power to the network, no matter how tiny it is, no matter if pooled or not,
you'll help make our system stronger.

happy crunching. 

that's the point and the big difference between pooled- and standalone-mining.

pools == get payed for the work you do. you will get payed, guaranteed
standalone == get a tiny chance to get payed

depends on your processing-power (except for a very very long term, like decades at least).

if you try mining on a common CPU, you probably won't be able to contribute that much power to the pool, to earn you 5BTC within 2weeks,
most CPUs already need a year or longer on average to generate 1 block, at current difficulty, which will rise within that year.
so most CPU-miners won't generate any bitcoins on their own, ever!

within the pool those miners will not get 5BTC in a week or two, maybe a few cents, or only sub-cents, which isn't much, but far more than they could ever generate on their own.

if you really think, you could do it on your own, give it try, i bet you'll give up in a few weeks, or months without getting anything.

the/a pool is your only chance to get at least something back for contributing your CPU to the network, even if it's just a few bitcents, it's still better than nothing.
you won't make profit anyway, except for the unlikely case that you get your energy for free.


for high-end ATI GPUs you might be right, at least while those are on their own able to generate a block a day, or every couple of days, but that will change too.

for CPUs it's either a few cents from the pool, or nothing at all.