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361  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: getting all 5 cards to work on my mobo on: August 06, 2011, 11:47:10 PM
Yea when you go above 4 cards things begin to start acting unstable. I was using 11.6 and decided to try 11.7 since making the first post. It made things a lot more stable. You should try 11.7 I was avoiding it at first because it generated more heat on my 5830's but it made things much better for my 5850's.
362  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Who's excited about the difficulty drop? on: August 06, 2011, 11:44:15 PM
You really should think about quiting mining. it is a dumb waste of a perfectly good video card and their are cool games coming out like the new battlefield and you are probably going to want to check that out, besides the cops already think you are growing pot in there, it is only a matter of time. Really I think your best bet is to get out of mining.  Cool
What he said lol so go away quickly!
363  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / getting all 5 cards to work on my mobo on: August 06, 2011, 08:14:44 PM
Ok so I have run out of ideas and I need help. I'm using a 890FXA-GD70 mobo with sapphire 5850's. I know that all the extenders are working, all the cables powering items are working, all graphics cards are working. When I try to run any gpu I own in the second x16 slot the graphics card shows up in trixx and afterburner but is labeled as "video controller (vga compatible)" but wont let me mine on it or over clock.



If you can help me figure out whats wrong I would appreciate it. Thanks.
364  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: This is just getting nuts on: August 06, 2011, 03:32:08 PM
That's a pretty big assumption, that bitcoin will return to $15-$20.  The trend over the past 3 months has been nothing but down.  Do you feel confident that enough new adopters will be found for bitcoin to drive the price up?  What do you see as the catalyst for this happening, aside from difficulty rate which is irrelevant to bitcoin's value?
I feel like bitcoins will either be a huge success and go main stream or it will roll over and die. If it is a huge success and goes main stream it most likely will not stay at around $10 a btc. I'm here for the long haul and I'm willing to be patient and wait how ever long that may be. I'm not going to be the dude who spends 10k bitcoins on a pizza. I realize there's probably no chance for a jump that high but it's entirely possible people are selling for cheap now and in a month or two it will be back up.

In regards to bitcoins failing I don't mind because I'm a computer science major so this is my hobby. If I lose a grand or two it's not the end of the world because I thoroughly enjoy doing this.

There are a couple of differences here.  Investing in the shares of a company is not like investing in bitcoin: the company does something and creates value.  Bitcoin is just a commodity.  Graphics cards are essentially worthless after 2 years.  Increasing DirectX versions make previous card version obselete.  A card may pay off itself in 4 months, but don't forget the case, PSU, CPU, ram, storage, and motherboard required to make that card work.  Payoff time is now much longer. 
The graphics cards may become valueless over time but I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be willing to take a 2 year old corsair psu thats gold rated. As long as you have some quality parts you will be able to get money back.
As for how long it takes to pay off a whole rig. My 5850's can give me enough bitcoins to be paid off in around 60 days. That's about half the cost of the server so in another 60 days I'll have enough bitcoins to finish off the costs. That's 4 months which isn't bad at all.
365  Economy / Goods / Re: FS: 4 x XFX Reference 6870 @ 300mh/s each - $150ea on: August 06, 2011, 12:36:46 AM
No one should buy these for mining. 6870's are just over priced 5830's
366  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: XFX 6990 in stock @ TigerDirect! on: August 05, 2011, 04:11:30 PM
And for future resale value, how much are you going to be able to get (as a hedge against Bitcoins crashing) for that 5850?

I'm betting should Bitcoins crash, and I need to resell my hardware because I can't make $$ from it any more, I'd maybe be able to get $20-40 for that 5850 once all the miners start selling the hardware that isn't making them $$ (think flooding the market with low grade hardware that gamers don't want).
That's a fair a point. I'd also like to point out that a 5850 can make enough to pay it's self off in around 2 months. As long as bitcoins doesn't crash in two months a 6990 is the wrong decision. Two months is a fairly small window and I don't expect bitcoins to be gone in 2 months.
367  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: XFX 6990 in stock @ TigerDirect! on: August 05, 2011, 03:53:08 PM
I guess people without or very low power concerns can use the 5830 method and those with the high power usage would look more towards the 6990s. You can build a complete rig with 4 5830s for 800ish bucks and get more than one 6990 mhash. the downside is your are "wasting" power for other parts (mobo, ram, cpu...). so if you add 4 6990s at 3000 bucks you can build 3 nearly 4 rigs for that. lets say three rigs at 1200 mhash a pop totals 3600 mhash. 4 6990s on avg will pump out 3000 mhash (keep in mind you may need to spend for an additional psu changing the equation a little). So if power is primary concern then the 6990 might be the way to go, but for myself and others power is not a concern 5830s solution is the way to go.
The problem is you have to wait a very long time for the 6990 to make up the price difference between the two cards. Lets use the 5850 for example since that was the last 5xxx series card to have a great deal.

I think its fair to say a 6990 can generate 900 megahash with a healthy overclock. A 5850 can generate 390 with a healthy overclock. That means you need 2.3 5850's to get the same megahash.

A 6990 requires around 330 watts at full load. A 5850 requires around 170. 170*2.3= 391 watts for the same ammount of megahash.

This next part will be different for every one. If I use my 6.7c a kwh it would take much longer to recover the costs and it would be much faster if I used 25c a kwh. I'm going to use 15c a kwh because I remember hearing thats the average in the US.

So the difference is 61 watts which is 22 cents per day, 6.60 dollars per month.

2.3 5850's would cost you 145*2.3=333.50
The difference between a 6990 and 2.3 5850's is 401.49

This means it would take 1,825 days or 5 years to make up the price gap between these cards.
368  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How much money are you losing? on: August 05, 2011, 03:36:04 PM
I haven't really been following the Mybitcoin.com incident too closely. Can anyone tell me the specifics of whats going on because I don't feel like sifting through the panic posts and misinformation.

This is what I assumed happened. The site holds your bitcoins and it's suppose to keep them safe? A hacker got in and stole everything. Is this what happened or is it something completely different?

Also I'm not sure why people trust there bitcoins with other people and services. The more bitcoins in one place the larger the target is to steal them. Thats why people attempt to rob banks. At least with banks if the robbers get away with the money its federally insured you wont get that guarantee with bitcoins.
369  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: XFX 6990 in stock @ TigerDirect! on: August 05, 2011, 02:30:55 PM
Good card for gaming not so much for mining. I'm not sure why miners still jump on this card, all its got going for its self is megahash per square foot.
370  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: This is just getting nuts on: August 05, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
@mike678 : Where the hell do you live to get electricity that cheap? Dammit, I am jealous  Smiley
Here in Germany mining has become nearly non-profitable.
The north east

You don't now economics. Most miners will sell at 11 dollars (still a very good profit) and you will be stuck with them when it goes to 10 then 9, 8, 7 etc.

We wouldn't be investing in bitcoins directly or mining if we didn't think the price was going to go up. I have seen plenty of people suggest buying bitcoins directly obviously those people think its the low end as well yet they don't get as much criticism.
371  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Question about overclocking my 5850's on: August 05, 2011, 04:20:13 AM
Ah I just wish it was easier to test the limits of these cards. My 5830s don't full on crash my system the moment they become unstable so I got them to the best speed a lot faster and I'm still working on optimizing these.
372  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Need help finding out what's wrong with my new rig on: August 05, 2011, 02:15:00 AM
I'm not sure if the psu is a lemon replacing the cords fixed everything. None of the cords are permanently attached to the psu. Is there a test I should do to just make sure?
373  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Need help finding out what's wrong with my new rig on: August 05, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
Well changing the cord that goes to the wall let me get into windows and then I replaced of my pcie cords to get all my cards working.
374  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: This is just getting nuts on: August 05, 2011, 02:04:12 AM
testing them and running them for days on end overclocked to the nuts are two very different things.
i would be hesitant to tell someone to expect more then 375 mh/s from a 5850 on average. A minor difference
from your 390 but it all adds up when discussing 5 of them.  For every time a card hangs and it takes you time
to realize it and fix it.. has to be factored into your mining results.

just my opinion. i realize some 5850s perform better then others but a 990-1000 core clock speed, stable for days and day,
is impressive on these 5850 cards.

This should be pretty stable though because they run at 75c and it isn't a 990-1000 clock speed. It only requires 960 mhz these days to get 390 megahash. Plus these aren't some shitty brand they are sapphire cards.
375  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: This is just getting nuts on: August 05, 2011, 12:59:16 AM
I don't quite understand why people are still buying mining hardware. Currently it will take about a minimum of 4 months to pay off one card.
I picked up 5 5850's for 145 each and you cant tell me that is not a bargain. I have tested each and the average between them is about 390 megahash. That's .208 a day for this difficulty. I recognize that the difficulty will increase but I'm going to stick with this for simplicity sake.

Now I'm not a dumb ass and I am not selling at the listed price of around 11 dollars. I agree selling at 11 dollars would take a long time to get your roi. I plan to hoard until the price goes up to between 15-20 dollars. So in 30 days I'll have 6.24 bitcoins which is $93 dollars at 15 a btc or $124 @ 20 a btc.

If you take the cost of electricity the card costs $7.2 a month (I pay 6.7c a kwh) That means $86 or 117

Also a months time is only two difficulty increases so my profits wont get drastically lower. Since in a months time the cards will be more then half paid for it still is 100% worth it.
376  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Need help finding out what's wrong with my new rig on: August 05, 2011, 12:30:20 AM
Well I figured out what the problem was. Apparently two different wires were bad lol...
377  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: further improved phatk OpenCL Kernel (> 4% increase) for Phoenix - 2011-08-04 on: August 04, 2011, 08:06:28 PM
How does this compare to the other one Phateus has?
378  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: MicroATX or FlexATX mobo recommendations? on: August 04, 2011, 05:07:21 PM
Do any micro atx mobo's even come with 4 pcie slots?
379  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Modified Kernel for Phoenix 1.5 on: August 04, 2011, 04:58:13 PM
Mike, did you ever figure out that problem you had with MSI Afterburner?  I think you posted on my thread as well about same issue I had...
Which thread are you talking about? I know I made a thread the other day in support about afterbuner freezing when I hit apply for my 5850's but cant remember what your thread was. If your talking about the freezing I haven't had a chance to test any further with the 5850's because I literally spent from the time I got out of work to like 1 am working on a skeleton case and trying to figure out why the psu was making a clicking noise.

Also I know you got the ncixus 5850's as well whats your top speed on those so far? I can get up to 395ish with stock voltage.
380  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Modified Kernel for Phoenix 1.5 on: August 04, 2011, 04:33:01 PM
My always sweet spot for 5870 is memory clock is equal to core clock divided by three.
mem= core/3 = 975/3=325

Would this hold true for 5850 and/or 5830s?
I'd say it hold fairly true for my 5830's I get my best megahash as 1030/350.

I've only done minor tests with my 5850's but I have a really hard time getting the mem clock down because it starts to crash my system when I do that.
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