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301  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Details of Pirate's Investment Strategy on: August 31, 2012, 07:58:34 PM
That explains exactly nothing about how he made positive returns, much less in the amounts he was supposedly getting, for victims investors.  Could you summarize in your own words how Pirate made 7% returns (in BTC) weekly by taking your Bitcoin, selling it for cash, and then...purchasing Bitcoin back?  He would have to have been doing MASSIVE volume, and there is no way his local "friends" could have supported this sort of scheme based only on their desire for purchasing Bitcoin.  They could have gotten their Bitcoin anonymously from BitInstant or even through an exchange (as long as they aren't withdrawing, you can purchase Bitcoin anonymously easily online).  This makes zero sense as a business unless there is something I'm missing.  Maybe you could explain it.

Time is money. Money is time. Clients pay %markups for instant availability, for anonymity.

Let me give you two possible examples:

First example:
Let's assume you wanted to try to play the market, say $50k a month. (Pocket change for any real market wizards.)  You didn't want to keep large amounts of cash or btc tied up, but to be able to jump in/out of the market at will, without leaving IRS-related ripples.

Today, that's impossible.
-- Sell BTC today, and tell me how long it is till you have $real-money$ in your hand? 3 days? 5 days?
-- Have cash in your hand? How long till you get BTC? 48 hours? more?
-- every > $10k transaction is entitled to fairly high levels of visibility.

What kind of percentages would someone be willing to pay to reduce that to 4 hours? 2hours? Is it worth a 10% markup?

In the financial trading world, a company called "Spread Networks" spent $millions$ of $usd$ to build a new fiber route between Chicago and New York, just to shave a few MS off that path... and the financial houses paid happily just for a few milliseconds of advantage. (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/outfront-netscape-jim-barksdale-daniel-spivey-wall-street-speed-war.html)

Second example:
Let's assume you are moving "product X" from one part of the world to another. You don't want to leave a money trail. You need someone on each end willing to move $$$/BTC in large amounts. you don't care at ALL about the 10% ding. You don't care what the market price is, because you're moving in/out of btc.

I'm not sure why these concepts are either so hard to understand or so difficult to believe. I'm not saying it's impossible that bts&t was a scam. I'm not saying it's impossible that it was a ponzi. I'm not saying Pirateat40 is a standup guy who will return all the money.

I'm saying, just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it impossible.








302  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Details of Pirate's Investment Strategy on: August 31, 2012, 05:16:00 PM

so much... stuff.. being said.

If you believe what pirate himself posted back in November:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=103623.msg1137230#msg1137230

then here was his business:

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The Business:
Over the last few months I have been selling BTC to a group of local people.  Now this is a don't ask don't tell group of people so I can't tell you exactly where and to whom the coins ultimately end up with but so far its been pretty painless.   During this last week I maxed out my available coins both personally and "leased" from other members and they needed a lot more.  Up until now, I have dealt with my core group of friends and been able to handle the requests, but they seem to be getting larger and more frequent.  So now I'm looking into other methods for keeping a consistent storage or on-demand availability of coins.  I have two plans available for those sitting on coins.

On-Demand
When an order comes in that is over what I have available I'll send out a request to users in this plan requesting the total needed.  The first to respond gets the deal and the transfer is made.  These coins will be tide up for 1 business day to give me enough time to settle the transaction and acquire the coins to return. This plan pays a flat 3.5%.

Storage
This plan works as an ongoing commitment.  You would send coins anytime to the address provided and you would earn interest on a daily basis.  You can withdraw your balance at anytime, but I do request that you give me a couple hours to insure I have coverage for the next order.  Interest payments are paid out ever 3 days until either you withdraw the funds or my local dealings dry up and I can no longer be profitable. This plan pays 1% per day.

Now I would hope to have enough people on the storage plan that I wouldn't have a need for the on-demand but I'll see how it goes.  I ultimately want the ability to provide coins at anytime and any amount for these guys and we can all share in the profits.

I've created my own custom management software that I've built to monitor deposits, withdraws and interest payments.  As this gets bigger I'll build a front end for it so users can view and manage there account and maybe putting that domain btclending.com to good use.   

For more information send me a PM or just ask below.  You can check out my OTC ratings in my signature.

Edit: I forgot to mention that dealing with anything less than 50BTC is more work than its worth so I've made that the minimum on both plans.

Thanks

That's consistent with conversations I've had with him, sidebar, about potential $USD investors.

My 'theory' at the moment is poor planning combined with what was essentially a 'run' on his bank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_run

Together, down goes the house.

Not that hard to figure out, and given the same circumstances, could happen to your local "community" bank.





303  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM on: August 30, 2012, 09:40:02 PM

Balance continues to drop : 307,335.83452016 BTC (8/30/2012)

304  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS]Cheap Windows 7&8 and MS Office key on: August 30, 2012, 06:54:40 PM
http://www.i-programmer.info/news/89/4457.html

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"Key activity is monitored. Microsoft reserves the right to suspend or terminate your subscription, without any notice or obligation to you, if Microsoft detects suspicious activity related to keys or activations..."

Microsoft is planning to revoke keys upon subscription cancellation, starting with Windows  8. Farming technet/msdn subscriptions is about to hopefully end.



305  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 8 Rigs for sale (5970's/6950's) on: August 30, 2012, 06:47:57 PM

wish we could have worked out a deal, I could have had them online within 30 minutes of picking them up from you... are you closer to FPGA pricing/per/hash now?

306  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: PPT/Pirate Pass-Through OPs need our support now, more than ever on: August 30, 2012, 06:03:58 PM

Depending on how this goes down, it may be time to find a lawyer who understands bitcoin, and take collective legal action.


307  Economy / Services / Re: GPUMAX | The Bitcoin Mining Marketplace on: August 30, 2012, 05:37:01 PM

zero payment still.. I'm in an ever increasing group of people who have pulled their hashing power back out.
308  Economy / Services / Re: Paying for investigation of pirateat40? on: August 30, 2012, 05:34:38 PM


If pirate decides to run away and not pay anything at all, I think you'd easily get momentum for your idea..

309  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closed on: August 30, 2012, 04:07:21 AM
if he pays out all the accounts he has info for, then he'll be paying payb.tc 168300+ btc.

he has info for me, and my account.

Exactly what I wanted to hear. Thank you.
310  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closing down on: August 29, 2012, 05:03:01 PM
So Payb.tc - have you submitted the information pirate requested already?

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At this time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions. Principal and interest payments are subject to review. No timeline or further information is available at this time.

EDIT: There's some discussion about the legality/need of providing information about all the sub-accounts. In truth, Payb.tc is the only "account" of BCS&T, and therefore is owed the entire amount. I'm not sure how I feel about pirate getting your entire customer list, with bitcoin addresses and email addresses.
311  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closing down on: August 28, 2012, 09:13:47 PM
few minutes ago.

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[13:56:10] <@pirateat40> Notice:  If you are a PPT operator please contact me via PM.  Thanks
312  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Interesting Tidbit on Pirate - Charging rates on large BTC transfers? on: August 28, 2012, 05:20:00 PM
Could anyone offer some info/speculation on this? Try to refrain from talking about ponzis and focus on the actual value created by this service and the exchange risks.

Anyone who has tried to move between real cash<->bitcoins quickly has experienced the 'joy' that is gox/dwolla/wire/etc. It's impossible to do fast.

Spot Rates are a very common thing in the financial / commodity world. People pay extra for speed and guarantee. Seems not so far fetched to me that someone made a very profitable business out of doing that for bitcoin. Not sure where it went wrong, but someone obviously miscalculated somewhere.

313  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: centralized post of pirate payouts or other related news to the closing. on: August 28, 2012, 05:13:41 PM
hypothetical, because such a negotiation would have to include a deadline (whether stated explicitly or only implied). then before the deadline, i could have time to talk it over with my account holders.
although, i'm almost certain most would say yes, because that ratio is far higher than what some of the accounts have been trading for.

You could accept the 130k and call it a "partial payment". Leave note of what was remaining outstanding.
314  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: August 27, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
Again, a fine idea, but again we'll get complaints that we rigged the demo somehow.  I'm not sure about the radio silence thing, since there's nothing that hasn't already been said available to communicate.  What details would you like to know?

power usage, heat load, physical measurements, weight requirements, for the SC and 1TH boxes. If you don't want to make those public, at least make them available to certificate pre-orders under an NDA.


315  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings & Trust - Money Returned List (One reported). on: August 27, 2012, 04:45:59 PM

Lots of discussion, fact remains, still money not returned...

316  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closing down on: August 27, 2012, 04:40:35 PM

Payb.tc - are you still allowing/facilitating bitcoinmax.com account sales/trades?
317  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closing down on: August 24, 2012, 06:19:50 PM
would be nice if this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.msg1129588#msg1129588) was in fact a payment to paybtc....

That would start knocking down the bitcoinmax debt.
318  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closing down on: August 22, 2012, 06:06:07 PM
hey - he's using my chrome extension
that's nice to know Smiley

OT but link it?
319  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closing down on: August 22, 2012, 05:54:20 PM
Not sure if it's True/False - people asking for verification, but....

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<BitMinerN8> So you might want to check your BTCS&T Accounts. I did this morning, no change, 5 min ago, showed a full balance withdrawal. Checked my wallet, payment inbound. So Pirate is paying out!!

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[10:48:50] <ineededausername> I confirm that the inputs are owned by pirate
[10:49:02] <ineededausername> but I don't know whether BitMinerN8 is telling the truth

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[10:54:05] <@pirateat40> Just cleaning out the smaller accounts to make things easier.



320  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Bitforce SC] Cooling performance and acoustics request on: August 22, 2012, 05:38:43 PM
For me, cooling performance and noise is a big buying decision....

It's uncommon in the engineering world to sell/pre-sell hardware without providing specs like power usage, heat load/btu, rack space requirements, weight, etc. While I realize BFL might trying to maintain a competitive edge, or in some cases might not even KNOW the answer, there should at least be 'expected' values that may change with shipping product.. (IE the way everyone else pre-sells)

BFL, either provide those numbers publicly for at least the two largest devices (SC/Rig), or come up with a way to provide it to -verifed- purchasers of hardware under some sort of non-disclosure. As someone who has purchased what I suspect will be several racks of hardware, this is crucial information.

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