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1621  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: KYE (Know Your Exchange): BitFloor on: July 16, 2012, 09:03:33 PM
I read that thread, and it appears that you immediately attacked him for not understanding a certain rearely-used portion of the reference bitcoin client. Is there another issue on your end that we need to know about?
Firstly: it isn't called "attack". It is called "cross-exmination" and is one of the core percepts of adversarial system of justice in the USA. It is also commonly used while performing "due dilligence" in the USA.

Secondly: I questioned Gavin Andresen on him continuing to provide what appears like accounting advice, despite the following:

2a) he had closed his personal Bitcoin business (Clearcoin) before he was legally obliged to submit paperwork under the penalty of perjury.
2b) he continues to make implicit statements portraying bitcoin{d,-qt} as compliant with the GAAP (both for the USA and the rest of the Western world and its accounting tradition).

Moderators: I know this is a sore subject on this forum. Try maybe moving it to the appropriate place instead of simply deleting. Thanks.
1622  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: KYE (Know Your Exchange): BitFloor on: July 16, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Can you clarify this a bit? Because I was under the impression that:

1. He lived in Brooklyn (which is just across the bridge from Manhattan).
2. There are many people living in the USA who aren't US residents, are you saying he doesn't live in the USA?

If you guys are willing to pay a fee, I can have someone visit his business/residence and provide videos & pictures. So here we are...
Mr. shtylman had inadvertently disclosed that he is completely unfamiliar with how US banks operate in regards to account overdrafts. I'm suspect that he not only isn't a US resident but he also doesn't have a business nor personal nexus in the USA (meaning a short-term permanent or temporary resident with no family connections).

The business/residence photographs aren't really going to help. In the thread below Mr. shtylman is soliciting for the loans in the form of "rebates for liquidity provider". This is an activity that is regulated in the USA. The loans aren't paid interest in the TVM sense but are paid by a negative trading commission.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93632.0

I would recommend that people who are tempted to became the "liquidity provider" do the same due dilligence as those who became the liquidity providers for Bitcoinica. The regulations in the USA provide for the collateral security and rights of offset that are available to the "liquidity providers".
1623  Economy / Trading Discussion / KYE (Know Your Exchange): BitFloor on: July 16, 2012, 07:52:55 PM
At the request of Gavin Andresen and shtylman couple of messages were deleted from the thread in "Development and Technical Discussion":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93502.0

In one of the deleted messages shtylman (the operator of BitFloor) had inadvertently disclosed that he isn't an US resident and doesn't reside on Manhattan where the exchange offices are allegedly located. I wish I saved those messages before posting, but I'm working from a borrowed laptop.

Anyway, be safe or be sorry. The choice is yours.

Quote from: Maged link=private message date=1342465528
I just had to delete a few for your posts from the technical details for how a wallet move request works thread. Please do try to stay on-topic in the future.
1624  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: technical details for how a wallet move request works on: July 16, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
I have no idea what 2112 is talking about RE: accountants having trouble figuring out how the accounts feature operates.  It is very much like separate accounts at a bank, where dollars and coins flow in, are credited to accounts, and then flow back out (debiting accounts).  If I take a bag of cash to the bank and have it deposited into my account, I don't expect to get exactly the same bills and coins out the next time I make a withdrawal, and I shouldn't be surprised if the bank uses those coins and bills for withdrawals from other accounts.
I know that you are trolling right now by pretending to be naive about how the bank works. I guess the real or feigned naivette about accounting is par for the Bitcoin course.

Quote from: Upton Sinclair
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!

In a bank if you deposit X coins you can withdraw at most X.
1625  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mining LTC on Android. on: July 16, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Unfortunately not. I have already written a version of the scrypt core that uses NEON (it will be released in the upcoming cpuminer 2.2.3), and the speedup is only about 40% in the best case.
Thank you very much for your work and your comment.

I actually don't have an ARM machine to play. I played a bit with a pre-release simulator for a device that incorporates an ARM core. And by "a bit" I mean "floating point only". Because of the pre-release status:

1) instruction timing could be inacurate
2) it could simulate a future version of the ARM core

Thanks again.
1626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mining LTC on Android. on: July 16, 2012, 04:11:24 AM
All I did was compile libcurl for Android, edit the code to suit Android, recompile it using the Android toolchain I compiled.... lol
The ARM core on Kindle Fire has 128-bit registers in addition to the usual 32-bit registers. This could give a 2-4 times speedup, depending on the exact details of the core used.

There are many ways to use them:

http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dht0004a/CHDGDHIC.html
http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dht0002a/ch01s04s02.html

You could probably take a look and see how you can do on ARM things comparable to what pooler did on Intel.
1627  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mining LTC on Android. on: July 16, 2012, 03:56:38 AM
With NEON SIMD or without?

What's that? lol
The original code by pooler was an awesome example of using Intel SSE (and/or AVX) to achieve great speedups (about 4 times?) with the help of SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data).

Did you attempted to use SIMD on ARM (where it is called NEON)?
1628  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mining LTC on Android. on: July 16, 2012, 03:40:33 AM
I just cross compiled pooler's cpuminer for my Kindle Fire.
With NEON SIMD or without?
1629  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Solar Flare on: July 16, 2012, 12:19:36 AM
Ok, I know this is tinfoil hat ON, but how could one protect their FPGAs from toasting if theres a big solar flare? I mean some of our rigs are really expensive!
That sensitivity to the cosmic radiation that you keep reading about FPGA is about SEU (Single Event Upsets). Those are cured by the power cycle.

It is extremely unlikely that SEU would damage an FPGA. It would be something like SEU that causes input pin to reconfigure itself as output pin and then fry in the confrontation with the external driver for that pin.

Your FPGAs are much more likely to die from electromigration due to high temperatures than from aftereffects of a SEU.

http://www.altera.com/literature/wp/wp-01012.pdf
1630  Economy / Collectibles / Re: How would you like to design a bitcoin banknote? on: July 16, 2012, 12:03:38 AM
but I do feel we could go for a little bit more depth and really revel in the mathematical roots of Bitcoin Smiley.
Just add to the requirements that in addition to decimal the numbers should be printed in tonal. Then Luke-Jr will do all your work for free and will contribute to the bounty.
1631  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: technical details for how a wallet move request works on: July 15, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
This completely ignored my question. Regardless of how you feel about the current feature, it is present and I am looking for information as to how it works.
I was trying to give you a clue: the oldest and shrewdest accountants couldn't figure out how the account feature operates. I hereby refund all the money you've paid to get this clue from me. I'm sorry you wasn't satisfied. I got an impression that you are trying to account for the transaction fees in bitcoind.
1632  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: technical details for how a wallet move request works on: July 15, 2012, 11:19:17 PM
Please don't waste time on the "account" feature of the default wallet code. It is kind of a joke. If you need to do an accounting use the BerkeleyDB callbacks functions to record the changes to the wallet in your own separate database.
1633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 11:16:19 PM
Because it would generate profits
Maybe profits maybe losses. Now that the previosly secret algorithm is in the open traders could tune their strategies off-line with no capital layout. It isn't immediately obvious that there is no algorithm that could push the resurrected Bitcoinica into red.
1634  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 05:28:50 PM
BUT my understanding of margin trading concepts is still fairly limited, I'm genuinely curious about it, and ready to stand corrected.

I don't see a credit check being a necessity if you hold assets of theirs. Basically their credit is equal to the amount of their assets you have in hand to draw from to cover their losses.

To my understanding, when you can force liquiditations, there is much smaller risk to the service runner than in traditional lending. The money in the table is the funds that the customer has.

I think that everyone here should first try to add margin and shorting priviledges to your regular stockbrokerage account. The forms you'll have to submit have a very detailed explanations for the collateral requirements and how that affects your allowable leverage. There also will be the explanation of charges you'll have to pay for the capital you've borrowed to execute your margin or short trade.

In an honest trading establishment even 1:1 leverage requires credit check for shorting. If the lever is more than 1:1 then by definition the customer didn't put enough capital up front.
1635  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 04:36:12 PM
I'm not really far in understanding how it actually works, until then, calling it a bucket shop (or a legitimate trading platform for the matter) is IMO a little premature.
I understand that you are French and the bucket shop moniker is very much rooted in the American tradition.

But the line of reasoning is really simple. You don't really have to disassembly any perpetuum mobile to say that it can't work.

1) Long trade has a range from unlimited gain and 100% loss.
2) Short trafe has a range from 100% gain to unlimited loss.
3) To honestly allow shorting you have to do a credit check on the customers.
4) Bitcoinica wasn't doing credit checks and didn't attempt to collect on loses.
5) From the above Bitcoinica was a gambling establishment.

Call it "bucket shop", "bunga-bunga shop", "spread betting", "contract for difference" or whatever else the gambling regulations allow throughout the world. The logical outcome is really simple.
1636  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 04:24:17 PM
How was the pricing algo an invention ?
From what I thought I understood it was simply the mtgox price at a certain depth.
I don't know the details either. From what little I understand his modified algorithm would sandbag the spreads in such a way that the loss was always on customer's side not on the house's side. The amount of sandbagging was somehow keyed with volatility.

I distinctly remember somebody somewhere posting a Python code to whipsaw bitcents from the original algorithm and then Zhoutong came up with a fix for that.
1637  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
I've added a couple comments, but this is pretty much the raw TickingJob http://pastebin.com/4Ej858a8
Ah, OK then. I was worried that you are going to waste your skill and time on doing the security audit on the cadaver.

Zhoutong's key invention was the secret semi-random pricing algorithm. I recall that somebody reverse-engineered his original pricing algorithm and posted a Python script to reliably scrape small profits (maybe that person was "macbookair"?). Then he added some randomness and it worked like catnip on all the gamblers here.

I would let other people do the necromancy and create Frankencoinica, Litecoinica, Solidcoinica and whatever else.

Actually it will probably be Биткоиница.
1638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 03:11:49 PM
If you're a Rails coder you won't have much trouble getting it running
I'm not "Rails coder" and most of the people here aren't either. But we are all curious and capable of coding or at least reading code. I would suggest that your target audience shouldn't be a "Rails coder", but any curious hacker not afraid to code.

Since you've mentioned Mt.Gox API key I have another question: how difficult is to stub out the portion that queries Mt.Gox and instead plays back a stored ticker tape in the csv or any other spreadsheet-compatible format.

Many people are interested what the secret pricing algorithm did to the bid/ask spreads on Bitcoinica. This could probably be of paramount importance if any litigation comes to fuition.

And thank you for the Rubymine reference.
1639  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 14, 2012, 02:55:38 PM
I would suggest that everyone runs their own clone localy.

Could you post what Mac IDE you were using in your original post as well as any other steps required to make it run on a freshly out-of-the-box Mac?

I think that way many more people would join you in reverse engineering.
1640  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A public plea for help regarding Bitcoinica and my 24,841 BTC on: July 14, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
Rackspace also supposedly allowed automated password reset via e-mail and didn't have any way to lock an attacker out of their management console once they'd authenticated, if we believe what Bitcoinica. Using this kind of protection against VM or backup compromise would be the equivalent of having an elaborately-boobytrapped steel front door which randomly maimed people who opened it wrong and then, around the back, having another access route though a rotted garden gate and a doorway secured with a single-lever lock. It'd be completely nuts as an approach to security.
From your post I gather that you have never worked, consulted or even repeatedly visited any large publicly-traded company. Neither you've served in armed forces of any country.

They are all completely nuts, exactly like that. Top-level security and armed guards at the front door, but an elephant door to the warehouse in the back secured with a piece of plastic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Soldiers_(film)
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