This is great news...We have development funds that the community has contributed. Great that you put this up for vote. Really showing the power of the vote in building community consensus. Dzarmush is holding the dev funds so look forward to the community's response. And good news that the devs would be cooperative and not simply implement skype on Qora (which actually would be cool but let's see)!!!

Qora is rumbling louder each day!

Does this even need a vote? I would guess >99% of qora holders would vote an emphatic yes! We'll see...

Asic - could you please talk more about this vote/opportunity? Is this vote an exercise or do you know these guys? Has Qora agreed? If true, would this move push features towards a "decentralized skype platform" or would they be brought on for projects voted on by the community and set qora features? Please do tell more...

I really like NHZ. Great coin. 

Great assessment calvinstm. I agree with your thinking and could not have written it better.

On a side note, stabilizing the syncing of first time opened wallets is critical, especially for new users. Every day it seems, someone is saying that their wallet is not syncing and we have to explain yet again delete data and wallet and restart! This may be a peer issue but must be considered to strengthen qora overall. How do we fix this issue Qora?

BTW - the voting system is really pulling the community together for meaningful discussions so far...great direction.

Just caught up on the chat logs...they are gold mines...I like what I see. Qora now heading in the right direction.

If you haven't read these logs, definitely a worthwhile read. More activity than this thread.  

Brief Summary:

EDIT: noticed that my browser did not load the following links properly but on the chat page, the time /chat line is highlighted on the webpage so scroll up to the highlighted time to see reference...may be my browser, sorry!  
Edit2: links loaded properly when I right-clicked and opened link in new page...

1. Qora not working full time on Qora but spends all free time on Qora; may transition in future: http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/06/24.html#18:31:41.885018

2. Qora working on syncing issues and other minor bugs now that voting is implemented: http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/06/25.html#18:28:53.53770

3. Bitcoin raised by Qora are about 123, still in account; discussion about use: http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/06/24.html#19:09:03.712816

4. Voting implemented and Qora asking for community input re: features and limitations: http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/06/24.html#19:37:09.696441

5. Automatic transactions discussions betwen qora and vbcs who has worked with NXT on developing AT; possible consideration for other coins to integrate esp qora. Qora agreed to cooperate: http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/06/24.html#18:33:14.558712 ; and http://coinia.net/qora/chat/logs/2014/06/25.html#20:39:38.166641

Anything you can do, go for it! I'd really like to see a mac client available. 

any idea why nodes have significantly declined today?

http://coinia.net/qora/nodestats.php

Great idea and no, stupidity is not having an idea like that...can you code? If so, go for it, if not, start learning and run with your idea...Qora will be needing all coders on deck this year for second party apps...ie, android wallet.



See the OP - voting is now being implemented so we can vote on what feature we would like to see Qora implement next...unique in the cryptoworld. Respect to Qora for thinking this through from the beginning.



Awesome Qora....looking forward to your document about voting options!



Yey!!



I see how you got your name 

Joking aside, the AE is important and we can decide about this by voting...but no need to rush this too much imo. Rushing AE implementation does not make the AE better...why not focus on improving AE features and creating a better AE than what's available, not just another AE product sooner? Just my opinion. 

Yes, this is what needs to be done. It would either kill Qora or provide a substantial foundation. The obstacles here are who is the trusted third party and would Qora even do this?

Thanks for the link...this is what we need to begin with Qora. Qora has the API document but not much in terms of math and overall theory behind qora...it's really not for Qora to write a whitepaper now imo...Qora is busy writing code (far better for development)...the product is what tells me Qora is a quality product. Yes a few bugs but it's high quality; bugs can be worked out.

A paper from a technical member of the Qora community who can interview Qora and write a "gray" paper is the best solution if the community sees this as critical.

I support some of the obfuscated code be released for review. Why is this a problem?


The voting platform is very important and as a community has great advantages to moving forward. Qora once mentioned that vote "weight" or number of votes will be equivalent to the voter's account balance of which he/she votes. Voting can be as simple as yes/no or have many options I suspect.

Some ideas to vote on based on the op:

1. Bounties: Vote on priorities for bounties and what exactly to develop next (outside of Qora's priority list)

2. Guaranteed Features - these are awesome features and qora has/will do well to implement these, maybe we can vote on the priority?  

Ed25519 DSA to verify and sign messages. done!
1-5 minute block time depending on the network activity. done!
Retargeting every 10 blocks. done!
Password protected wallets that can be recovered/generated from seeds. done!
New Proof-of-Stake algorithm.done! BUT Vote on release of code for review
A JSON RPC API to directly communicate with the client.done!
Naming Service: done!
Voting System: Allows voting inside the client to make community decisions such as which feature will be implemented next. in progress - this week!
Colored Coins/Assets. not yet done
Arbitrary Transactions: a simple feature which allows users to send any payload they want over the network. done!
This can be used by third-parties to build additional features on top of Qora (data storage, chat). for community to do
Transaction Boosting: higher transaction processing speed by not having to broadcast the transactions to the whole network. not yet done

3. Possible Features - also a BIG category to vote on...which of these should the community suggest for qora to implement first. Qora will have to agree obviously no matter what the community votes.

Anonymous transactions/Zerocoin One of the biggest problems of Bitcoin is of course that every transaction is traceable.
Currently Zerocoin is the most promising project which is trying to solve that problem in a decentralized way.
Cross Blockchain trading
Finite Blockchain/Blockchain shrinking

4. Exchange - Vote which exchange to swarm next for adding qora. If established which exchange, we can be more effective.

5. Resources/Community - IMO it is very important is to vote whether the community agrees to have someone "review the code" at least in bits...Qora may not agree to this, and I think most of the community already want this, but if we vote that we believe strongly that this is good for qora, Qora can at least see our interests.

As far as I know, the Qora voting system will not be...one account, one vote or even...one seed, one vote. This is a severe limitation of digital voting...anyone can open as many accounts/seeds as they want and vote as many times as they want if this were the format. It seems that "weight", as Qora mentioned, is the best way to work around the multi-voting limitation but it's not the most ideal...this really favors original stakeholders who carry the majority of coins. None-the-less, weight is probably the best solution. It is better than say TAC where you "buy" votes and the fee goes to the genesis (although in a way, Qora vote is "bought" votes in effect).

Another aspect of voting is accountability to implement decisions made. Anyone can start a vote ..ie the best beer is a) Guinness b) Hoegaarden c) Budwiser...but the most important votes are what matter: what feature Qora will implement next, community development fund decisions, how to deal with other tasks in our development global plan, etc. These will be voted for and I think we will begin to see a "POS democracy" take effect.

As qora grows, we will certainly need a forum to deal with the up coming topics..."Qora Chat" is okay but I suggest for seamless adoption, we design a Qora reddit and/or a Simple Machines forum, similar to the many out there..like the one we are on now...or NHZ has a good one. http://forum.nhzcrypto.org/index.php I can work on this in 3 weeks as I am traveling soon but if someone can take this one now, the better...Dzarmush (where is he) do we have development funds for this?

TLDR:

1. Voting seems to favor original stakeholders.
2. Important voting may focus on optional Qora features and how to use development funds.
3. Will we keep pushing Qora for someone to "review the code" by voting and will Qora agree?
4. We will need an additional forum as Qora grows. I will do it in 3 weeks when I return from traveling if no one can do it soon.
5. Where is Dzarmush - what's status of dev funds?

@Qora - you asked for a NXT whitepaper but there is not one technically.

The following link surrounds speeding up transactions in POS coins....may be useful.

http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/comments/28v8tw/due_to_its_rank_as_the_highest_pos_coin_in_market/

By the way, not promoting NXT here, just bring to light new advances and how we may be able to beat NXT to the post. (i.e. QORA catching up to other cryptos  )

Definitely Qora knows more than leading on! Guess we will never really know for sure if Qora is BCNxt. 

In other observations last week:

1. The community is coming together with a solid plan.
2. Price ebbs which is good for distribution. I'm not at all concerned about the price for now...it will increase as innovative features are launched.

Time to support Qora and stick to the plan. Qora asked for NXT whitepaper which there is not one...but interesting he would ask. Regarding code, I'm wondering if Qora would be willing to secure the Qora code somewhere (at least with one other developer, or pieces with different devs), in case something happens. Why not cover our basis now. Vrontis or Agran would be good candidates in my opinion.

Qora chat log for the past few days: http://justpaste.it/fygc

not sure where you heard qora talking about nxt?!

A questioned was asked about some syncing issue...(I'm not aware of a syncing issue - my client is running great) but Qora mentioned that it probably has to do with disconnected peers. Qora is working on it.

Also - can anyone start a redit and/or an alternate forum to qora_chat and more similar to what people are used to such as Simple Machines template?

Vrontis and Qora know about this. Discussed in the chat yesterday. Vrontis is working on the tablet/phone fix for the website.

Qora's on the chat now if anyone has Qs.

http://coinia.net/qora/chat/

Edit: looks like the website is coming very soon.

Edit2: website is now live: http://qora.org/

Trying to run the client for a week. still not loading blocks....wtf. any ideas how to load blocks and run the client???

Edit: I have NFD blocks loaded on my DO server and now trying to tunnel ssh to access client locally. Anyone know the command to do this? I tried below combinations but getting "could not resolve"error".

ssh –L8874:localhost:8876 user@x.x.x.x
ssh –L18876:localhost:8876 user@x.x.x.x

Awesome!!!

PM sent.

I am not a coder but would like to help with Qora development. As such, I would like to volunteer to keep track of the development plan document. This only means keeping the document up to date with the community's efforts and informing everyone either weekly or every fortnight depending on the rate of development. This would free up Asic-8tile to code.

Any objections of me taking on this role, speak up now.

Thanks,

B.

WTS 18.4M NFD @ 11 sat or 2 BTC

Thanks for the summary...now back to TAC.