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I think if miners on prop pools paid a fee, then the pool ops would find an incentive to keep mining their own pools. I am liking NMCbit & Bitclockers and those models may become more popular as smaller prop pools dry up? Thoughts?
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but but but marty... YOU ARE A HOPPER DEVELOPER!!!
I see you working on the hopper programs.. so what the fuck gives?
Joules - I felt like a dbag more when all the anti-hoppers started jumping on the bandwagon. Really, I had a problem with proxies offering >100% PPS returns and Prop pools switching to PPS to finish a block. Proxies don't mine blocks and thus are not following the PPS payout method and thus not PPS. So, fair-payment (for the miners) advocates who crap all over prop pools might be purchasing a contract and complaining about the hopping on prop pools that they may unknowingly be contributing to... I have a problem with corruption and not capitalism...misleading information on where the hashes go was to me unethical... I am all for hopping and I have fun working on bH while learning python. Truth is I think http://btcproxy.net is awesome and the contract stuff is a great idea, but felt some pool ops are putting up a PPS or Prop front-end and proxy back-end and it will leave miners in the dark about what is going on... In fact, i just guessed and used the bitclockers crash circumstantial evidence that clipse and goat are hopping with miners hashes. I was trying to prove to the PPS miners that they are hypocrites for joining a, yet to be proved, hopping proxy... So, I didn't believe clipse business plan to guarantee 115%, hopping only made sense so I accused him of operating a proxy for the 115%, he says no and his miners are satisfied with the answer...if they even cared. Honesty is a value of mine and I though we were being mislead about PPS, again, I must have been wrong Goat also felt some may be mislead and he set the record straight. I hope he uses bH  GPUMAX was outed by me in error, goat corrected me and I feel stupid A1 is trying to find a block and is trying to keep a hash rate, but if the pool payout is what it is supposed to be and he pays out his contracts, then we're all good. I am worried that current hash rate is not going to find a block while watering my hashes down in the process. Pool ops correct me if I am wrong on that. Also, I did some work to help miners control when and how they mine at TNTmining and A1 and if pool jacks its miners again, i will feel like a dummy...I was a bitcoin7 member. The line about killing prop pools was to make the anti-hoppers feel guilty. I agree, if the pool can be hopped...hop it. So, I hope I explained enough to you to see I was just trying to bust a secret and not disparage hopping, however, I used my hopping experiences to add weight my accusations. Still have a chip on my shoulder about what Eligius did with hashes, I was arguing with Pedro on bitlc's payment change thread and lost my cool, then bitclocker went down, I became pissed off with a cause. Beef, we cool? |
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Shiver me timbers Pirate, You so nasty... Arghhh!
Listen Captain Feather-Sword, keep up the good work! I will beat myself with my own hose...
Avast, ya scurvy varmints!
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So...you're taking 2 posts by users on the forum about a pool being down as a 100% confirmation that they broke the server ? LOL
Note: The two people posting are two of the people running poolhop proxies. It certainly is interesting that someone who is running a "pool" is keeping such a close eye on other pools performance. I didn't question anything about them having interests in the uptime or performance of the pool(s). I said...how can he be 100% positive that "huge swings" in hashrate are the reason the server "broke"...based only off 2 forum users posting about a pool being down...and that THEY were the cause of that. I just was being suspicious and threw it out there, cause they were posting on the Clockers thread same time I was...so I blamed them... Not 100%, more like 3%. How would I know it was not my 2GHs?  Again, my point was to let the PPS guys, looking for more that 100%, that they are in fact hopping... So, yes...I was a Dick...and No, I did not know who was responsible for the huge swings. I was just trying to get the PPS advocates to realize they were destroying pools (their view) and were conveniently looking the other way. I was trying to add weight to my argument and hopefully someone would crack...I don't care...hop on 120%'ers Anyone making more than 125%? I must suck at hopping...and I am a jerk ;0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47411.msg739375#msg739375 |
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p2p for the win.... this solves all the problems
in the OP about saying we lied about it... i never said i did not hop, no one asked lol!
also I do not think you understand how GPUMAX works. Pirate does not control where the hashing power goes, really you should read his thread.
Sorry, GPUMAX, Goat is right. |
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Clipse, i probably pissed you off and i am sorry. The don't hop my pool thing was lame, especially when you offer PPS:-)
I just felt like shenanigans were going on and i was Perry Mason. I have no problem with hopping, i just wanted to remind the anti-hoppers of their greed. :-) And if i can get you to admit it, they may relize that they are being hypocritical. It just seems to me hopping could give you 25%
Heck, I'd send my 2gh your way if i didn't think it would overload your server or that i couldn't beat 15%.
Whatever, make money... God bless you
Nah, Im not actually upset. I just realised from most of the negative responses and as I call it witchhunts that people simply cant deal with something that offers more than they think it should or could. This leads to absurd speculation and producing evidence thats freely available for over a year in this forum that somehow proves undeniably that I am doing the same with my miners hashing as if I popped on this forum a week ago and simply put together something to produce me $bills. I know none of this is true and I am not going to provide every bit of details around my dealings. That said, I will work on a way so that our pool can report found blocks and that all these scum witchhunters can finally just go away, this will be available at the time that we go public with the pool. It was a guess that I threw out there to make the day interesting, I have no clue what you do or where you mine. So, I'll take you at your word and drop it. BTW, P4 is a total buster, can't hop in his pools Also, this guy has some ballz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63192.0 |
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Nvm, it seems that somebody has already inserted in the picture within your post for you. Thanks for clearing up the issue Goat. So what does this mean for your pool? Will we be expecting it to close? I am not a pool and it will close as soon as the bitcoin world adapts and changes to p2p or a better pay system. If I close up shop the other service will just take my place. I will just keep supporting p2p and decentralization. Anyone need cash to do a project that supports this, hit me up. I'm also interested in setting up a p2p pool so anyone with skills hook me up! Thanks. I am jealous I think you might be the hopping king! Anyways, you are a stand up guy. Keep on truckin' or KFTC for us A&G fans... |
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Clipse, i probably pissed you off and i am sorry. The don't hop my pool thing was lame, especially when you offer PPS:-)
I just felt like shenanigans were going on and i was Perry Mason. I have no problem with hopping, i just wanted to remind the anti-hoppers of their greed. :-) And if i can get you to admit it, they may relize that they are being hypocritical. It just seems to me hopping could give you 25%
Heck, I'd send my 2gh your way if i didn't think it would overload your server or that i couldn't beat 15%.
Whatever, make money... God bless you
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How is hopping "killing prop pools" when it requires prop pools?
heavy swings on bitclocker broke the pool and bitlc is changing payout due to a 400 gh swing. Who else hops with that hash power? How can you confirm 100% that bitclockers was "broke" by heavy swings ? So...you're taking 2 posts by users on the forum about a pool being down as a 100% confirmation that they broke the server ? LOL Lol |
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Oddly that looks alot like a sketched image of martychubbs avatar If it were taken of me in the morning! Dude, chill out, like you broke the pool... I was being sarcastic... |
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How is hopping "killing prop pools" when it requires prop pools?
heavy swings on bitclocker broke the pool and bitlc is changing payout due to a 400 gh swing. Who else hops with that hash power? How can you confirm 100% that bitclockers was "broke" by heavy swings ? |
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How is hopping "killing prop pools" when it requires prop pools?
Other than deepbit, there is not a single proportional pool that is even running at 300 GH/s of dedicated miners anymore. That means they can't afford (especially if they're 0%) decent servers without simply losing money. These pool hopping "pools" then hop to them, putting massive stress on what hardware they have available, but only for short bursts, when its profitable to them. This ends up hurting the performance of dedicated miners because those prop pools can't handle a sudden doubling (or more) of their hash rate and will start to have timeouts/increased stales. This is on top of hurting the earnings of dedicated miners. So, those pool ops are now slowly coming to terms with the fact that even though proportional is the most straightforward payment method (there is no backend special math/timing of share submissions involved), it simply isn't worth running. The proportional payment system will be gone pretty soon because of this. And they lie about doing it... Its like the government and the debt |
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How is hopping "killing prop pools" when it requires prop pools?
heavy swings on bitclocker broke the pool and bitlc is changing payout due to a 400 gh swing. Who else hops with that hash power? |
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See, has Clipse been asking for help on improving BitHopper? Why? Cause it had a hard time scaling? Hopping with very high hash rates! https://github.com/Clipseza |
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Stop lying, you are hopping with everyone hashes! I see you and the the Thai Sheep hopping on Bitclockers and trying on Bitlc. Your business plan is BS and makes no sense, but hopping at 125% and keeping the 5% to 10% spread is a good idea, but lying and killing prop pools is lame
So, wake up miners, your self-righteous quest to make sure everyone is equal allows the some to take advantage of you and make you think your are equal are in fact robbing you by using your hashes against your wishes...being used unequally ala prop pools <43.5% I guess putting a layer between hopping and your emotion/inexperience makes it easier to sleep at night.
Post some proof and instructions how to do this if we are to believe you. Just sayin'  Server went poof?
Yes Rhino, you killed it! Yeah well that does not really make sense to me. Are they the same person ? Why would Clipse ( who is paying 120 % ) go to Goat ( who is paying 115% ) !? Maybe I am just too dumb to comprehend the "magix" behind the scenes  . But I think you are right. The secrecy surrounding these "x%" pools is too much and that is a bit doubtful IMHO. one sucks more at hopping or has less costs? greed? I don't think that those 115% schemes gain their profit from hopping deepbit because it would be really obvious for me.
I noticed a couple of times when some user bought a "contract" from GPUMAX and tried to use it for hopping deepbit, but I prevented it.
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Stop lying, you are hopping with everyone hashes! I see you and the the Thai Sheep hopping on Bitclockers and trying on Bitlc. Your business plan is BS and makes no sense, but hopping at 125% and keeping the 5% to 10% spread is a good idea, but lying and killing prop pools is lame
So, wake up miners, your self-righteous quest to make sure everyone is equal allows the some to take advantage of you and make you think your are equal are in fact robbing you by using your hashes against your wishes...being used unequally ala prop pools <43.5% I guess putting a layer between hopping and your emotion/inexperience makes it easier to sleep at night.
Post some proof and instructions how to do this if we are to believe you. Just sayin' Server went poof?
Yes Rhino, you killed it! |
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Oh, the two contract guys broke the pool! thanks
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Stop lying, you are hopping with everyone hashes! I thought I saw a few hopping on Bitclockers and trying on Bitlc. Hopping at 125% and keeping the 5% to 10% spread is a good idea, but lying and killing prop pools is lame... So, wake up miners, your self-righteous quest to make sure everyone is equal allows the some to take advantage of you and make you think your are equal are in fact robbing you by using your hashes against your wishes...being used unequally ala prop pools <43.5% I guess putting a layer between hopping and your emotion/inexperience makes it easier to sleep at night. Just like Socialism, promising you something that is unsustainable... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg738454#msg738454 |
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Stop lying, you are hopping with everyone hashes! I see you and the the Thai Sheep hopping on Bitclockers and trying on Bitlc. Your business plan is BS and makes no sense, but hopping at 125% and keeping the 5% to 10% spread is a good idea, but lying and killing prop pools is lame
So, wake up miners, your self-righteous quest to make sure everyone is equal allows the some to take advantage of you and make you think your are equal are in fact robbing you by using your hashes against your wishes...being used unequally ala prop pools <43.5% I guess putting a layer between hopping and your emotion/inexperience makes it easier to sleep at night.
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