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181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
49 cents down. Damn Tera, those sheep are gettin' slaughtered.
The trap has not finished yet. There is room on the chart for a false breakout to 600 (with maybe a flashspike to 620). The slaughter happens after this breakout fails only for people to find that not only are prices declining below 580 but that they are now trapped inside a giant triangle breakdown of 530 into the 400s.

It's so funny to read posts of bears who are frustrated their $400 bid didn't fill. And slightly silly.
Is it not possible to have an academic and scientific discussion on price trends here without constant harassment and suspicion into my whatever my personal position and agenda are?

Forum tolerances for this sort of discussion always go down in times of uncertainty.  People seek sanctuary in strength of belief.
 
However, I'm not going to pretend like THIS is a good chart to buy into right now.



I agree and it will get worse until the Gox drama plays out -- expect a slew of negative features in the Sunday papers as 'financial gurus' tell the general public how they "called Bitcoin" and to get out now.  But once resolved things will turn upwards.  It will be interesting to see how this period compares to the six months following April's 'crash'.
182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 01:33:52 PM
The end is coming...

This is the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
183  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 10:28:14 AM
I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.


er don't get the association with the above link ?

It's a promo (which has followed a month long teaser campaign) for the world's first BTC bank, based in Cyprus -- Neo&Bee.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.2860;topicseen

Interior of premises -



Imagine people with barrow loads of unwanted Euros queuing patiently to buy BTCs  Grin
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 10:03:14 AM
I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.
185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2014, 09:52:14 AM
I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.
186  Economy / Speculation / Re: OMG! How the hell can I lay my hands on some of these $110 bitcoins, speculate? on: February 21, 2014, 10:28:46 AM
Yep. To make things simple, you are NOT buying BTC from gox. You are buying Goxcoins.

These only become BTC IF they enable withdrawals. Otherwise they are as good as monopoly money. Actually they are even worse.

If it sounds too good to be true, it isn't.
I think you mean *it is*

No, I mean it isn't...as in "it isn't true".

It's "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is (too good to be true)".

"It isn't" means the opposite. (just google it)

But anyways this is of no use to the thread haha.

LOL...you say tomAto...
187  Economy / Speculation / Re: OMG! How the hell can I lay my hands on some of these $110 bitcoins, speculate? on: February 21, 2014, 08:07:26 AM
Yep. To make things simple, you are NOT buying BTC from gox. You are buying Goxcoins.

These only become BTC IF they enable withdrawals. Otherwise they are as good as monopoly money. Actually they are even worse.

If it sounds too good to be true, it isn't.
I think you mean *it is*

No, I mean it isn't...as in "it isn't true".
188  Economy / Speculation / Re: OMG! How the hell can I lay my hands on some of these $110 bitcoins, speculate? on: February 21, 2014, 07:49:55 AM
There is also the old axiom:

If it sounds too good to be true, it isn't.
which has saved a lot of people a lot of money over the years.
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: February 20, 2014, 02:39:04 AM
But Risto! that would be like abandoning the internets because it is full of adverts, malware, and spam SEO sites Wink

Stick it out, filter the noise, it  is what it is, and what you make of it x

I don't necessarily agree with what people say, but I find it imperative that I read their points of view so I can better understand and challenge my own.



+1 to a significant power
190  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mt. Gox Announces New Daily/Monthly Withdraw Policy! See Why on: February 19, 2014, 05:23:58 AM
I've read most of the press the last few weeks...but why is the current price still below $300 on Gox? The first few days with the panic I could get that but Gox has been better with communication lately and is telling people they can withdraw soon...if I had funds on there I'd be buying up some bitcoin at those prices that's for sure. 

Because people don't believe they actually have the coins..until withdrawals actually begin no-one will believe.
191  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bitcoin Conspiracies Thread on: February 19, 2014, 05:20:49 AM
I don't know but William Gibson should write a book about it Wink

Coinomancer?

The Difficulty Engine?

Virtual Litecoin?

 Grin Grin Wink Wink ;
192  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 18, 2014, 01:53:20 PM
When does the direct IPO through LMB end?

Feb 23rd
193  Economy / Speculation / Re: Problems besides mtgox: on: February 18, 2014, 01:50:07 PM
TERA is in similar position, he said many times that he made big profits from BTC trading and I believe he is well into 3 digit numbers of BTC so going into paranoid mode on each small move should not be an option and he looks bit silly when he does it.

Well that would be different. I bought my first speculative Bitcoin at around $700 in November 2013. Thus I am not Bitcoin noveau riche and a $1500 loss would be a kick in the teeth to me, regardless of what I have earned previously.

Say wha?  There definitely was a capitulation to ~$70 before the price moved up.

Yeah...I read that, and then stopped reading.

Almost is bad as saying "Crash? what crash? We were like $300 dollars 3 months ago and we are now $600, I make that a 100% rise!"

Mat, sorry to hear you stopped reading.  That post took ages and I was feeling very ill.  'Capitulation' is, from what I can make out, about percentages/ratios....so while $70 may seem low now, at the time it was still pretty high and the pointy heads said we needed to go lower.  It's all relative.

I think you have a lot positive to offer here, but you need to divorce yourself from your buy in price.   The golden rule really is don't lose what you can't afford to lose.  If your losses are hurting that much you should ask yourself if this game is for you.

If your situation seems bad, think on this. 

I first heard of Bitcoin in 2011, which is when I first joined this forum, I lurked and read a bit and thought nothing of it.   I bought my first coins in late 2012 at about $1 each and I spent them all.  I didn't do any serious investment until the price was $70.  If I had been smarter I could have solved a lot of problems in my life and provided for my family.  The opportunity was staring me in the face and I missed it.  What a clown, huh?

But if you dwell on the mistakes and the might have beens, life isn't worth living.

As always, peace.
194  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 18, 2014, 09:51:08 AM
Cool.

Great work Danny and team.

A good news event for Bitcoin next week!!!
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Problems besides mtgox: on: February 18, 2014, 05:08:40 AM
^^^^^^^Far more lucid rebuttal than mine.  Tongue  Wink
196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Problems besides mtgox: on: February 18, 2014, 04:49:01 AM
26. Confirmed 100 000 BTC stolen from sheepmarketplace (will hit the market sooon)

http://www.coindesk.com/sheep-marketplace-track-stolen-bitcoins/

That story is three months old, for all we know those coins have been sold already.
197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 18, 2014, 04:45:47 AM
Looks like just another day to me...we creep up on low volume, then the US wakes up and we scuttle back down.
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Problems besides mtgox: on: February 18, 2014, 04:40:04 AM
Apologies for the dreadful typos and formatting but I'm ill.


1. Final Capitulation

Last year we were hearing all about 'capitulation' from the chartists, who insisted 266 could not be bettered until we had experienced this mythical state.  Look how that turned out.

Say wha?  There definitely was a capitulation to ~$70 before the price moved up.

Have a look through the threads between August and October.
$70 was not the target to satisfy 'capitulation' according to chart whizzs...we had to go a lot lower, remember <$5 coins was the 'norm' before January 2013
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Problems besides mtgox: on: February 18, 2014, 04:14:13 AM
Apologies for the dreadful typos and formatting but I'm ill.


1. Final Capitulation

Last year we were hearing all about 'capitulation' from the chartists, who insisted 266 could not be bettered until we had experienced this mythical state.  Look how that turned out.


2. PBOC policies still stand in China and no new chinese capital has come suddenly flying in as of Jan 31st/Feb8.

And conversely, the exchanges are still standing.  I imagine the party brothers are lining their pockets with cheap coins on the side.

3. Russian ban.

The ban that no-one can work out if it really is a ban.  Like China, a fluid state of affairs.

4. Cyprus issues a bank advisory (like China), which leads to at least the perception that btc-e is at serious risk.

An advisory that is almost verbatim to that issued by central banks around the world saying BTC investment can be a risky business.  At the same time Cyprus is hosting the world's first BTC bank (opens next week) and its university is accepting BTC as payment for its courses.  While BTC-e is registered as a business in Cypress, how you extrapolate it is a serious risk because of this statement I don't know, other than you spend too much time in the trollbox.


5. India

Issued the same warning as mentioned above.  Central banks are covering themselves - its what functionaries do.

6. Apple removed blockchain app from app store, and the implications that this has about corporate control of what the public eye sees.

Apple has been removing BTC apps from its store since the beginning...you should know this.
Whats hilarious is that each time they change the reason.


7. Major exchanges were able to flashcrash to $100 (indicates weakness)

Er...flash crashes on the FTSE, Hang Sang etc.

That's life matey.


8. Flaws on Bitfinex have been exploited, traders on Bitfinex have lost money. The staff at Bitfinex showed themselves as bad at responding to issues and unfit to be running an exchange.

Yep, most of the infrastructure around BTC is being run by opportunists...its the wild west.

9. The exchanges have had large amounts of funds (millions) stolen from them which could lead to potential insolvency or unethical actions in the future (or at least more mistrust in exchanges).

So, problems with exchanges...see point above.


10. A large loss in confidence and trustworthiness in the existing exchange system, for a variety of reasons.

And again


11. The malleability bug and its lasting impact on public trust and confidence in the Bitcoin software even if it gets fixed.

Two different issues here.
Malleability has been known about for years form what I can glean and recent upgrades addressed it.  So, we get back to the issue of exchanges not doing proper housekeeping.
As for the PR, well yes that's been a disaster.  Gox has spun the story very well and the BTCF has epically failed.

12. Loss of trust in bitcoin foundation board members.

See above.


13. Large amounts of hacker coins, which will eventually be dumped for fiat.

Speculation and the only coins that thus far have been 'stolen' are from SR2, whihc in the scheme of things are a small number.  Correct me if I'm wrong there - I'm not Interpol.


14. FBI Silk Road coins (27K or 144K) entering the market (somehow).

If ever.

15. Men in florida were arrested and received felony money laundering charges for using localbitcoins. Even if it was really due to credit card fraud, it makes the public scared of using LocalBitcoins and casts a bad light on government perception of Bitcoin.

You Americans and your obsession with crime and punishment.  What can I say.

16. Silk Road 2 closed its escrow service.

But you still pay in BTC

17. Gox started processing cash withdrawals, fiat is actually exiting the system, and many jaded investors are most likely actually leaving the economy altogether.

Speculation

18. Btce halted fiat withdrawal.

Did it?  Looks fine to me.

20. Major indicators on charts that turned down before the gox crash even began.

Market goes up, market goes down.

A bad few weeks no doubt but you gotta have the rain to have the rainbows.
200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 18, 2014, 03:19:11 AM


Takes one to know one?



The last time I heard this was in the playground. Roll Eyes

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