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1801  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin2Cash.com - Cash-Only Marketplace on: April 06, 2011, 07:52:44 PM
Are there contingencies in place should you be imprisoned/killed?

That's not concern for my safety. That's concern for the safety of your assets.

It's also a valid question. TheMadHatter is getting personal, telling me not to keep drugs in my house, calling me an amateur, telling me that my business is doomed to fail because of fake complaints, etc. That kind of stuff has no business being said publicly if done out of genuine concern. Otherwise, it's just pot-stirring. I can take criticism but I take issue with TheMadHatter trying to act as if he isn't motivated by his own personal agenda.

But to answer your question, yes. If I'm imprisoned/killed, my partner will take over. If we are both are out of commission then my lawyers will be able to shut down the business and settle all current debts.
1802  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin2Cash.com - Cash-Only Marketplace on: April 06, 2011, 07:23:09 PM
I'll just put this here.

https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5386.msg80015#msg80015

If I knew how to move our conversation to this thread, I would.


Even better, why not send me your concerns for my safety in private? What's your desire to criticize me publicly if you're not trying to shake confidence in my business? I just find it odd that the only other cash-by-mail Bitcoin exchange has such a keen interest in my safety while nobody else does. Maybe it's because you have a unique perspective but by making it public, it looks more like professional jealousy.
1803  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 06, 2011, 07:10:24 PM
Why the order page is not visible in my logged in page?

Because it's a new feature and is still being tested.

I select Bid, submit & then fills amounts & price & submit, then it goes back to my page & my order is not there or in order book.

There was an error with your bid, either you didn't have enough funds to cover it or you formatted it wrong.

Also when ever i click about us or FAQ, i am logout & asked to login again.

Those pages don't have any content yet. I'm still working on it.
1804  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin2Cash.com - Cash-Only Marketplace on: April 06, 2011, 06:10:33 AM
Has anyone funded a bitcoin2cash account by mail yet?

I'd love to hear any feedback (positive or negative) with the site, as well as any feedback on sending cash through the mail. Is this generally considerd safe? What are the best practices?

I haven't received any funds since the new website was launched but back before it was automated the largest transaction was $1,000 in $100 bills. It's best to use security envelopes with the cash wrapped in something like magazine pages. Also, please don't put our business name on the envelopes.
1805  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 06, 2011, 05:44:22 AM
Oh sure. When you have piles of people with less than 5 posts under their belt complaining all at once it is easy to see that it's a "joe job". The real problem is when you have established/trusted members of the forum complaining, your reputation is toast.

Again, what's to stop them from doing the same to you or any other business? Nothing. I'm not unique.

That's just plain wrong. Look up the LLC Acts in your state. Do they apply to you as a private citizen if you never registered an LLC? Nope. Are there more Acts that apply only to LLCs? You bet! Keep digging.

I should have been more specific. There are no extra relevant laws other than filing fees, etc. Can you show me how any of those laws matter other than worrying about filing fees, etc? Please provide a single example of a law (please provide a link as well) that would convince me that it would be better not to be an LLC. Right now, you're just being too vague.

You don't think that the ruling applies to Bitcoin. Interesting. Are you sure? I guess it all depends on if Bitcoin undermines the US currency or not, right?

That's not what he was arrested for. He was arrested for circulating metal coins as currency which is a federal crime. He was not arrested for undermining fiat currency even if that's why the politicians were up in arms. The law is what matters.

They'll likely look for drugs on your premises and find none.

That's because I don't do illicit drugs.

They can go right to Blizzard (? I don't play games) and demand the data or tell them to stop it. They don't have that option with Bitcoin.

How are they going to stop Blizzard or any other MMORPG from having scarce items, which create value, without ruining the game itself? It's not possible. You should also look into "Linden Dollars" which is actually given an exchange rate by the company that runs the game Second Life.

Have you looked at the US statutes around 'stored money items'? What about money transmitting without a license?

Yes I have. Like I said, I've talked to a lawyer and was advised that my business is legal.

As soon as Bitcoin is determined to be money-like they'll bend those statutes out of shape and upon your LLC.

In which case, I will immediately shut down my business since I'm not about to break any laws. However, it's currently legal and that's what matters.

A private citizen is exempt from the money transmitting license statutes as far as I can tell. Yet another reason not to use an LLC.

What do you mean, "as far as I can tell"? Either you know or you don't know. What laws can you cite?

Human rights don't apply to LLCs. You have less rights in any legal situation.

Businesses have the same legal rights as people in the United States.

Anyways, this is getting stale and isn't very productive. Please don't worry about me anymore. I'm not really interested in this debate.
1806  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 06, 2011, 04:33:11 AM
Public complaints of missing cash will eventually 'do you in'.

Assuming there are no fake complaints, the percentage of accidental losses in the mail will be very small, not enough for me to get a bad reputation. If there is active theft on the part of the postal employees, I'll be aware of it and will be able to take action. As for fake complaints, I don't think many people have much of a reason to do that but that's really just a risk that any business faces, even yours.

Registering an LLC implies tacit consent to far more rules than if you just did it without an LLC.

There are no more laws that I have to follow as an LLC than as a private individual. It actually offers me protection from being sued personally for my assets.

That will only work until an investigator follows a drug/*insert bad thing* purchase right to your PO box. Guess what? You are now involved in a "drug ring" or competing lottery or something else they don't like. The end result will be a legal mess.

The same can be said for any form of payment. As long as I'm not actively encouraging illegal activity and had no prior knowledge of it, I'm in the clear.

There is a legal precedent. It's called a unique form of terrorism designed to undermine the value of the US currency. Look at the Liberty Dollar court case.

I've read up on it extensively. The laws he violated only apply to metal coins. Otherwise, people would be getting arrested for WoW gold since it has value, can be used for drug deals, to undermine fiat currency, etc.

I'm more worried about my freedom than you are. Thanks for your concern but I've got things under control.
1807  Economy / Economics / Re: Live streaming quotes for all markets on bitcoincharts.com on: April 06, 2011, 04:09:03 AM
I hope you'll consider adding our market to your stats. What kind of API do you require to do that?
1808  Economy / Economics / Re: Where do you keep your bitcoins? on: April 06, 2011, 04:07:30 AM
As one collects more bitcoins, where do you keep them? Currently all my bitcoins are at mybitcoin.com, but what happens if this site goes down? is it better to send all the bitcoins to your bitcoin client? then what happens if your computer crashes?

So, where does the "smart" guy keep his bitcoins? (what are the best practices for having hundreds, or thousands of bitcoins?)


I would suggest Dropbox as others have. However, if you're looking for a website to store your coins on, our website bitcoin2cash.com uses encrypted backups to multiple cloud services. With any website though, you are putting your trust into them.
1809  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 06, 2011, 03:57:24 AM
This probably isn't the best place for this discussion. I've started a thread prior to this one that introduced the service which probably would be a better place. However, since you've posted here, I'll respond here. You're welcome to repost in the other thread and I'll repost my response too.

This isn't as problematic in the other direction.

It's just as easy to claim that you never received cash even though you did as it is to claim you sent cash even though you didn't. I'm also assuming that the people that are using my service are interested in the greater anonymity that cash provides and therefore understand the risks and accept them. Otherwise, they would just use some other exchange that is more convenient. I'm trying to fill a niche.

Having the word "Cash" on the envelope in the past was an amateur mistake.

I told everyone not to put our business name on the envelopes for two reasons, one, obviously, "cash" on the front of an envelope is going to draw eyeballs. Secondly, however, the P.O. box isn't registered under the business name, so the employees don't see the word "cash" either, which means there's a strong chance that the mail will get returned if you put the name on there. Some people didn't follow directions and therefore it seems unfair to blame me. I've put instructions on the website so hopefully it will be more clear to everyone.

If you are using PO Boxes you must be absolutely sure that the employees are not snoops. The first time a letter goes missing or is slightly torn open it is time to change POs! I'm serious.

You can definitely be sure of that. The same problem goes with sending mail too if you're using the same outgoing mailbox repeatedly.

It appears to be illegal in yours - my condolences.

I've already talked to a lawyer. I'm an LLC because there is no use trying to hide from the government, especially since I'm not breaking any laws. Also, an LLC gives people more reason to trust me. For legal purposes the business is an online seller of digital goods. Just like selling WoW gold isn't illegal, neither is selling Bitcoins.

Of course, there are legal risks since no real precedent has been set but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm prepared to fight for my rights. If anyone wants to support me please send a donation to my Bitcoin address in case of needed future legal defense.
1810  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: Software development work for bitcoins -- highly experienced developer on: April 06, 2011, 02:56:35 AM
LAMP (Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP or Perl) developer available to work on any project for bitcoins. No project too big or too small. I have 12 yrs of experience and currently work as a sr. level developer for a very large website.  I speak native english and have a bachelors  in computer science.

rates negotiable depending on the size of the project. reply or PM if interested Smiley

regards
-dc


Good luck finding work. I think the bitcoin labor market is saturated with us kind of people right now.
1811  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buying Bitcoin on: April 06, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
There are no commission fees at bitcoin2cash.com. There are only shipping and handling fees if you request to have cash mailed to you. So, buying Bitcoins with cash is completely free.
1812  Economy / Economics / Re: Managing a medium of exchange on: April 05, 2011, 10:40:24 PM
I didn't have to look very far to sense that BitCoin does not understand the management of an exchange medium.

Who is more likely to be mistaken, some guy that hasn't been studying Bitcoin for very long and came up with some objections off the top of his head or the entire Bitcoin community that has been debating the merits of the system for over a year? I think you should do some more research before making wild accusations.
1813  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buying $10,000 in BTC on: April 05, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
i would like to buy $10,000 in BTC from an honest trader.  can someone help me?  my email is idoc@lazer.pro

I have 5000 BTC that I will sell but only on bitcoin2cash.com marketplace.
1814  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BitBear Superhero suffers for Japan - auction on: April 05, 2011, 07:02:47 PM
I'm not selling it anymore. But people can sell even .jpgs, if they created the content.

Intellectual property is partial theft of real property. Nobody owns information.
1815  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 05, 2011, 06:37:37 PM
Wow, what a great offer I missed out on. Sad Oh well. Nice site though. Cheesy

Is this offer over Huh?

No, he's just lamenting over the fact that he joined after this thread was created and is therefore ineligible. Unfortunately, I have to do that to prevent the same people from repeatedly creating new accounts.
1816  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: selling drugs and money laundering: the potential downfall of bitcoin on: April 05, 2011, 06:35:38 PM
Also, they may well be sinister operators but the government isn't stupid. If they did this buyout today (or another more sophisticated attack on the network) they'd have to go all black-ops and that's complicated. They can't even keep their black-hood torture centers secret. If they start publicly attacking bitcoin in any serious way you're going to see the entire internet jump up for your defense, and if the government wants it speculators of all kinds will want it too.

bitcoin is completely anonymous. All they would have to do is download the bitcoin wallet, hop on Mt. Gox, and offer $1 dollar per bitcoin. Everyone would sell to them. The people that wouldnt would either hold on to the bitcoins so they aren't in circulation or trade them with people that then would sell them. And theres no way of telling if its the government buying them or some schmuck millionaire in utah.

They might be able to buy some coins at $1/ea, but the price would quickly climb above that, once people realize there was a large buyer buying without regard to cost.

Which would create another gold rush as mining has just become even more valuable. Driving up demand is probably the worst way to shut down a market since it only encourages new suppliers to enter the market.
1817  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 05, 2011, 07:04:41 AM
Here's the current work-in-progress order book -> https://www.bitcoin2cash.com/orders.php
1818  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 05, 2011, 07:00:59 AM
The addresses don't change. They are reused. The only way you could get two different addresses is if you ended up with two different accounts and the only way that could happen is if you logged in with two different OpenID URL's, such as using HTTP instead of HTTPS or vice versa or appending extra data to the string. Case doesn't matter though and neither should the trailing backslash i.e. aol.com and aol.com/ are equivalent. If you can figure out what you changed then you should be able to log in to the other account and recover your funds. Let me know if you can't figure it out and we'll escalate things until the problem is resolved.

Oh wow, I'd have never expected that using a different url for the same ID (my Google account) would be treated as different ID's on your site. Sure enough, I tried logging in with the previous url and found my 5 BTC. Maybe I just don't understand the technical details of OpenID, but I imagine this could cause confusion for others also. Any way to fix this?

So, I have two accounts at B2C now: 430572 with 5 BTC and 155466 with 1 BTC.

Well, I'm not sure exactly how those two URL's differ or why that's even possible but as things are, I create a salted hash of the URL to identify you when you login.

However, you can easily withdraw your BTC from your account directly to the other account to consolidate things.
1819  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 05, 2011, 06:34:13 AM
I sent 5 BTC to my new account at B2C 26 minutes ago, and it has 2 confirms, yet doesn't show in my balance on the site. How many confirms do you require?

One hour and 10 confirms now, still nothing. Not cool. Account #155466

It should only take one confirmation. Let me get to the bottom of it for you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: According to http://blockexplorer.com/address/1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv there hasn't been anything sent to your address. What address did you send to?

I sent 5 BTC to 1KNYUS8nExT9nm6yEmsUAv1ihr3MrFq4Kx, which I'm sure I copied from your site after selecting Deposit from the drop-down.
http://blockexplorer.com/address/1KNYUS8nExT9nm6yEmsUAv1ihr3MrFq4Kx

I just now sent 1 BTC more to the address it's currently giving me, 1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv, as a test. I guess it changes the address each time a deposit is received? Except my account on your site didn't get credited for the 5 BTC.

EDIT: The 1 BTC sent to 1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv went through quickly, and it's still showing the same address for additional deposits. Please check your wallet, as I'm sure I got the first address (1KNYUS8nExT9nm6yEmsUAv1ihr3MrFq4Kx) from your site as well.


The addresses don't change. They are reused. The only way you could get two different addresses is if you ended up with two different accounts and the only way that could happen is if you logged in with two different OpenID URL's, such as using HTTP instead of HTTPS or vice versa or appending extra data to the string. Case doesn't matter though and neither should the trailing backslash i.e. aol.com and aol.com/ are equivalent. If you can figure out what you changed then you should be able to log in to the other account and recover your funds. Let me know if you can't figure it out and we'll escalate things until the problem is resolved.
1820  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [PROMOTION] Get 5 BTC and 5 USD for joining Bitcoin2Cash! on: April 05, 2011, 04:37:02 AM
I sent 5 BTC to my new account at B2C 26 minutes ago, and it has 2 confirms, yet doesn't show in my balance on the site. How many confirms do you require?

One hour and 10 confirms now, still nothing. Not cool. Account #155466

It should only take one confirmation. Let me get to the bottom of it for you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: According to http://blockexplorer.com/address/1AJ2v6cRtewhGwR6MfNNDhSjGQc45eZhbv there hasn't been anything sent to your address. What address did you send to?
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