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There was a large influx of new accounts which caused our update script to start timing out. I've redesigned the script so it it's about 100 times faster. This shouldn't be an issue anymore. We apologize to anyone that had a delay in their BTC showing up in their account. It should be there now. Please confirm this if you can. Thanks!

I'm offering to pay 0.10 BTC each to 50 people that will make their signatures match mine for 3 months (it must be the only code in your signature, exact same font family, style, size, etc). I'll check your signature periodically until a week from now (6/19/2011 if you do this today) and then pay you. After that, you will be bound by your word to keep it there for the remaining 11 weeks. This offer is only open to people that have registered their forum account before today and have 50 or more posts before today. I will check this so please don't start making new accounts or start posting like mad to bump up your post count. There is no agreement between us until I post your name below in this list. I reserve the right to refuse anyone that I perceive won't honor the agreement or will make a bad impression on my business.

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This is how I describe statists.

There is a difference between definitions and meaning. A definition is which meaning we attach to which word.

Do we all agree on the definition of a dog? Maybe not. You could be using the word dog to refer to tables or salt shakers. However, there is a meaning that refers to four legged things that bark, have tails, sharp teeth, were bred from wild wolves, etc. So when I talk about dogs, that's the definition I'm using. You have to go beyond the words themselves to get at the meaning.

When I say rationality, I mean the ability to use reason, logic, etc.

No, it's not up to the agent to decide what rationality is. That's presupposed. It's only up to the agent to declare that he or she is rational.

Think of it like this. You see a person unconscious and bleeding on a sidewalk. The only thing that will save their life is a blood transfusion. Do you give them one? Well, that depends on what the person would want if they were fully rational i.e. conscious. For most people, the answer would be yes. If they are a Jehovah's Witness then the answer would be no. You treat people how they would want to be treated if they were fully rational.


Each of us does, by declaring ourselves to be rational and fending for ourselves.


Again, each of us does. If we aren't fully rational then we should treat them how they would want to be treated if they were fully rational. Obviously, that can't be done perfectly but that's what we should strive for.

Parents are custodians of their children until those children demand to be free by leaving home and living on their own. Also, if you abuse a child or otherwise treat him or her in a way that he or she wouldn't want to be treated if he or she were a fully rational adult then you lose custodianship and someone else can take over that responsibility.

I can't accept any system if one of its faults is that it allows for initiating violence against persons or property as being legitimate when done by certain groups. All human interactions should be voluntary. In my opinion, the current system has such a flaw and it more than outweighs any technical difficulties imposed by competing jurisdictions.

BTC is a commodity. Bitcoin is a proof-of-work system. It's useful because it proves that you've spent resources generating BTC. This means someone can charge for otherwise relatively free actions such as signing up to a website, posting on a forum or sending an email. This forces spammers to incur higher costs, making spam less profitable and reducing the overall amount.

If you have sex with 1,001 people and 1,000 consent but 1 does not, you're a rapist.

If you take money from 1,001 people and 1,000 consent but 1 does not, you're a thief.

A few articles and YOUTUBE? Come on... Read some books. I'll suggest some if you don't know how to use Google. I think it's just easier for you to reject ideas that you are ignorant of.


The crops themselves act as a border. It's pretty obvious where a plowed field ends and the forest begins. It's pretty obvious where a wheat field ends and the forest begins.


So because owning a forest would be difficult you think that is a death blow to the entire system? There are many other ways to mark a boundary. Post some signs every half mile, stake the corners, have a radio transmitter. The common thread here is that this is a technological problem, not a theoretical one.


No just in court if you evict someone and they sue you or you use force against them and there is an investigation.


That's a non sequitur.


In other words, since there's no final authority that you can appeal to, no dispute is ever truly resolved. That's actually the same case with our current system. Even if you get all the way up to the Supreme Court the issue isn't settled because then you can just petition Congress to pass a law so that your case is won that way.

Do you really think that you, off the top of your head, can come up with objections that many great thinkers haven't (a) already thought of or (b) already offered solutions to?

At the very least, you need to fence in the land. There has to be some kind of visible border around your property. Also, if someone moves into land that you own, you can't just say "oh I own that", you have a burden of proof. In the case of ecology, it would be some kind of historical data, survey maps, a deed whatever.


How do you keep up with your credit rating? Is there a single government agency that does that? No, actually its several different agencies. I'm also not against central authority or even monopolies, as long as they are voluntary. If everyone decides to use Bob's Land Registration because they are honest and it's convenient to have only one, fine with me. However, if Bob's Land Registration starts getting abusive, the door is open for competition, which somewhat assures that abuses aren't that tempting in the first place. It's a sort of business suicide.

That's definitely immoral and probably illegal depending on where you live.

All this panic is amusing to me. I'd rather see what attacks can be accomplished and how the community can recover from a successful attack. That way, when people ask "what happens if..." we can say "it did happen and we survived it". Of course, some people are a little over-invested and don't find it amusing at all.

I'm not sure if you're joking or if you are actually ignorant of Libertarian property rights. There's two way to obtain property, homesteading, which is mixing your labor with unowned property, land, natural resources, whatever, and legitimate title transfer, barter, gifts, gambling. It's hard to see how you'll be rich through mixing your labor with anything unless it's just through diligent hard work. You can't go plant four flags at the corners of Nevada and claim you own it. You actually have to do something with the unowned property you claim, farm, mine, or even study ecology by recording it but not altering it. So, how exactly would you be "rich" in "my" world? You'd be richer since you wouldn't be forced to give money to the government which does everything inefficiently and has little to no incentive to improve.

I subscribe to a different theory of property rights than you.

Then the debate is over. We agree.

The reason why people join pools is to make money. If you shake confidence in BTC, it will become worthless. Why would any pool do this? You can say that the pool operator might start doing it but miners would leave in droves.