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141  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 17, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
IBM, Linux foundation and big banks launch Open Ledger Project:
http://www.coindesk.com/ibm-launches-open-source-blockchain-project-backed-by-linux-and-big-banks/
I wonder if the Chinese care about this, if they do they should dump hard.

Isn't it still a closed centralized system?

Is it just me, or is the idea of a proprietary blockchain silly? If validation is done by only a few, or just one, party, why not just have a database?
142  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2015, 09:32:52 AM
http://imgur.com/fX0xfpQ

Just a quick observation.

First major dump, from 504

Next 'high' was 475 which is a lower high..

And the dump that just happened from 467

Lower highs if you ask me!

My point was, isn't it kind of early to call 467 a high? If this keeps going up, that dump will end up looking like noise.
143  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2015, 07:13:03 AM
Meanwhile, we've made lower highs after each time, which isn't healthy at all.

Are we looking at the same charts?
144  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 11:30:22 PM
Feels like another parabolic move is on the horizon...



Hopefully not... That stuff's all tears - tears of joy on the way up, grief on the inevitable drop down. Wouldn't it be nice if people could just keep their cool and not overreact?
145  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
Has this place always been Stormfront lite?

Put it this way, back in 2011 I bought coffee from someone here who, I later noticed, professed to be a vehemently anti-racist white separatist. I didn't even know there *were* white separatists before that. Also had to look up the word 'miscegenation', my grade school latin didn't include that word.
146  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
I take issue with your use of [network value]. What's the point of spending $100 million (probably much more) to end up killing the golden goose?

If an attacker would profit from destroying the network's credibility (governments potentially), that kind of spending would make sense. For protection against double spends, yes, we're pretty solid. In fact, it would seem we're spending way more than need be on security if that is our only concern.
147  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
Are you saying that you don't understand leaving everything as it is and let the free fee market do its job?

We should probably take this to a different thread, I'm already feeling guilty about going off on this tangent here. But quickly:

We already didn't 'leave everything as it is'. This is an entirely artificial system with a number of arbitary design choices. The 1MB block limit is an obvious example, and wasn't even originally intended to serve an economic function beyond limiting spam. It's not needed for a fee market: as block subsidy decreases fees must increase or miners will shut off. Thus, when the block subsidy is insufficient to pay for mining costs, miners are incentivized to require fees in order to accept transactions.

If you say X is the amount of transactions the network should, at most, be able to handle, you're making a policy decision. If you say there should be no limit and miners should decide whether they want to include 0-fee transactions, you're also making a policy decision. You can't pretend one is more of a "free market" solution than the other.

The network is considered roughly secure against economically sensible attacks when the cost of an attack is greater than the profit gained.In rough terms, the greater [network value] / [cost to gain 51% of hashrate] is, the less secure the network becomes. To increase security, you need to either decrease network value or increase the cost of gaining a percentage of hashrate. Both the small-blocks and large-blocks solutions essentially hope that a balance is naturally found where the cost of running the network doesn't hamper usage to the point that fees and subsidies aren't sufficient to provide security.

I don't have a solution here, but I think we're turning a blind eye to this issue of security vs. cost when that's the real question that needs addressing.
148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
Calm down comrade. If you wait patiently, you too will get your loaf of bread place in the blockchain in good time.

But don't worry, if you have any concerns, you can make them heard through our Minister of Truth, Commissar Theymos.

He can wait forever, if he does not want to pay a damned fee for the service.
The free shit party is happening in some other place.




Are you saying we should change the BTC issuance schedule, perhaps stopping issuance now? That's redistribution of wealth, and it's holding the fee market back.

Or are you saying miners aren't being incentivized enough to keep the network secure enough, so in addition to the block subsidy we need fees to be higher? How do we determine how much security is needed and how much that should cost?

Or are you saying people should pay a fee just because?
149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
Wha wha wha so many whiny bears, you carry on talking about irrelevant bids and asks and ignore the bigger picture, be my guest. But but blocks lol

Halving.
Difficulty increase.
Increased interest.

These are things that are affecting price. I fully expect to see nearer to $100mil in leverage longs when this really starts bubbling.

Good point. Because everyone wants to use a currency they can't use because it doesn't work Smiley

It works perfectly. You'll need to pay for what you use (the most secure system in the world). Full blocks is good foor Bitcoin as miners will get rich and start competing each other even harder for the spoils (and hence increase the security further).

Why cant anyone see this? It's so obvious.

How secure should the network be? What's the sweet spot between cost and security?
150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2015, 06:49:09 AM
So, to pick the more relevant strain of off-topicness here: Do I understand correctly that the Ripple ledger is unaffected, but the main way people traded XRP for other currencies is now being shut down? And some way to transfer XRP from user to user will still exist even after Ripple Trade closes?

I haven't followed Ripple closely, but frankly, I think it's good news if it fails this way. The failure mode I was worried about was a series of cascading credit defaults if the system really took off. Never saw any reason to think that wouldn't happen, so good riddance as far as I'm concerned.
151  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mature exchanges : making the life of pumpers and dumpers more difficult on: December 14, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
Where's the incentive for the exchanges?
152  Other / Meta / Re: Hilarious bots posting nonsense: what's the point? on: December 14, 2015, 09:05:10 AM
how would the bots react to an extra input field on the posting page, one hidden from humans? I expect renaming or rearranging the fields is out of the question since that would probably break all the "good" bots here as well.
153  Other / Meta / Re: Hilarious bots posting nonsense: what's the point? on: December 14, 2015, 06:14:01 AM
The Bitcoin discussion subforum's 1st page is now mostly spam. I guess this is the time most of the mods are asleep.
154  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: December 11, 2015, 12:08:51 PM


What happened to the  halving !?
155  Economy / Speculation / Re: With the recent price jump, is now a bad time to buy? on: December 11, 2015, 08:09:12 AM
if you decide to buy it through Coinbase, it's probably best if you transfer it right out of there and into a safe wallet. 

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "it's probably best if you transfer it right out of there and into a safe wallet"? Is Coinbase unsafe for some reason?

Don't know about Coinbase specifically, but in general leaving your money with some small company in a jurisdiction you may or may  not share is not a very safe idea. In fact, I'm pretty sure trusting third parties with their funds accounts for the majority of BTC lost by Bitcoin users.
156  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2015, 07:58:40 AM
Yeah, supposedly a few cents for disk space and bandwidth will drive people away from having full nodes but they'll be wanting to keep them around for settling up with their off-chain transaction handler once per month.

I'm not convinced the majority of Bitcoin users would be running full nodes even if the resource cost were 0. It's just not worth the hassle for most, unless the userbase consisted almost solely of idealistic cypherpunks.
157  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [Hands On] KeepKey Hardware Wallet - Notlist3d on: December 11, 2015, 04:50:47 AM
Two things not mentioned in the review:

- it has PIN protection so just getting one's hands on one of these isn't enough to steal the BTC stored on one. (This was in one of the videos, but who watches those, right?)
- The price is, according to keepkey.com, 239 USD.
158  Other / Meta / Re: Hilarious bots posting nonsense: what's the point? on: December 10, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
The format seems to be changing slightly. Maybe it's a learning algorithm, changing its parameters based on how long it takes for posts to be deleted. Pretty soon, it might be able to pass for the average sig campaigner here!
159  Economy / Speculation / Re: a huge arbitrage profit is in chinese now on: December 10, 2015, 11:23:17 AM
I have never made a USD deposit in BTC-E. If I want to have USD in my BTC-E account, I simply deposit Bitcoin in my account and sell them. Then I just wait for an opportunity to convert the USD back to Bitcoin if there is a large enough price difference between BTC-E and Bitstamp.

How long do you have to wait, on average? BTC-E is pretty much always lower than Bitstamp, so I imagine it'd take a while to find a profitable re-entry in to BTC.
160  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where is Amir Taaki? on: December 10, 2015, 07:21:54 AM

Seems unlikely. Complete ideological conflict. That text doesn't say ISIS should be supported, it says ISIS is a cancer that isn't going away. ("We are now living with cancer. Time to accept it.")

What I'm taking away from that is that Taaki sees ISIS as proof the western powers can't deal with that type of non-state threat. I'm not sure whether he sees that as encouraging from an anarchist's point of view or whether he's saying it's on the public to renew Western civilization so it can survive.

What I'm definitely not seeing is a call to arms for ISIS.
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