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741  Economy / Speculation / Re: China just made Bitcoin pretty useless within China on: December 05, 2013, 12:52:37 PM
By the way can someone explain to me how any Chinese vendor will accept Bitcoin. Payment processors like Bitpay, under this regulation, can't accept Bitcoin. Meaning even if vendors can accept Bitcoin - there is no easy way for them to cash it out.

Finally you said something that might even have a grain of truth to it. Then again, what's to prevent a Chinese exchange from letting vendors open trading accounts set to immediately liquidate any BTC sent into them?
742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
On the topic of wall-watching, there's one to see at Bitstamp... Someone's rolling a 900k BTC bid wall upwards, the price seems to be getting pushed along so far.
743  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 10:46:40 AM
Please explain to me how I purchase a market order and specify the bitcoin amount if I don't know what the price is going to be.


You don't. You place a limit order. If you really just want to buy or sell at any price, set your price absurdly high or low. Otherwise, set some sane max or min price and know you won't get shafted due to slippage.
744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox 24hr volume low: place your bets on: December 05, 2013, 12:16:32 AM
What market, mtgox btceur?
745  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 02, 2013, 10:26:59 PM
/\

How many alts does this person have?
746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: people scanned TV set and donated money to college kid on: December 02, 2013, 05:59:07 PM
The race is on to get your QR code into Google maps' satellite view, I guess. The bigger, the better!
747  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-29 Financial Times: Alderney to cash in on Bitcoins with Royal Mint on: November 30, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
What is this? It sounds like an even worse idea than the physical bitcoins we already have. As I understand it, you don't even get control of the private keys, the coin is just backed by a promise to pay the holder in "virtual" Bitcoins if they visit the damn island. What the hell?

Ironically the article seems to get the "virtual" vs. "real" distinction the wrong way around. The only virtual bitcoins here are the ones imaginarily controlled by these coins. This makes so little sense I wonder if the author got their facts wrong.
748  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2013, 12:34:01 AM

you sarcastically said:

"So... increased liquidity leads to decreased volatility, right?"

do you believe that statement to be true or not?

if so, then if you think that we are currently volatile, then that means we must not have increased liquidity

someone is wrong. either you or your quote. you can't have it both ways.

I don't particularly believe one way or the other at the moment. Looking at the charts for the last few hours, the swings seem to be much wider than before, but it's pretty early to say.

What I'm getting at here is:

-The general consensus answer I've seen here is that speculation is good since it provides liquidity.
-Similarly, the general consensus answer seems to be that liquidity decreases volatility. (makes sense on the face of it)
-Ergo, increased speculation should lead to decreased volatility. And lo, we have a live experiment!

That's all, really. If my point was fuddled before, I apologize. It is late.
749  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2013, 12:22:15 AM
you're confused about what liquidity means

Are you referring to my preferring to consider USD volume? If so, I'd like to hear your thinking there. It'd be pretty amazing to see both, BTC volumes from a year ago and today's prices right now. Yet today, selling enough to, say, buy a house compared to selling the same a year ago isn't a very big chunk of the daily trade volume.

Or maybe you take exception to my ribbing about the general idea here that speculation should increase liquidity, therefore decreasing volatility. I could have phrased that better to begin with, but my point was: if that's true, then given the barrier to speculate has now been significantly lowered, volatility should decrease. I guess we'll see!
750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2013, 12:11:18 AM
So... increased liquidity leads to decreased volatility, right?

right.

but we certainly don't have increased liquidity, if thats what you're implying.

it takes 2000 of volume to jump the price $100 each day

check the volumes now and the volumes of a year ago.

Check the volumes in USD...

In any case, I was talking about this 0-fee business.
751  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2013, 12:06:55 AM
So... increased liquidity leads to decreased volatility, right?
752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2013, 10:09:14 PM
An 80 BTC or so ask seems to keep popping up just below 1000 on bitstamp. It gets bought up, a minute later there's another. Stealth wall?

Probably a bot slowly selling off without trying to scare the market.

I'm wondering if it's the same player who bought the 900+ BTC on the way to breaking 1000 USD on stamp. Pave the way past a resistance, sell what you can over 1000, sell the rest to cover whatever you didn't manage to sell yet. If this is the case we shouldn't see much more than 900 sold this way. Otherwise, who knows.
753  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2013, 09:59:51 PM
An 80 BTC or so ask seems to keep popping up just below 1000 on bitstamp. It gets bought up, a minute later there's another. Stealth wall?
754  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2013, 05:29:36 PM
There seemed to be a 2k or so sell wasll at 1000 on stamp for a second there.
755  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 02:27:08 PM
Is it just me, or are "posturing" walls that get pulled quickly when they are at risk of being eaten much more rare these days than they used to be?
756  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2013, 01:03:26 PM
Tuesday is a prime day of the week.

I was just wondering, has anyone analyzed historical data to see how much variance in price there is between weekdays and days of the month? Is there a weekday that's demonstrably higher than others? Or even a day of the month?
757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Richard Branson + Virgin Galactic Endorses Bitcoin on: November 23, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
O M F G

You are all missing the REAL news here...

From the blog:
"One future astronaut, a female flight attendant from Hawaii, has already purchased her Virgin Galactic ticket using bitcoins"
----SNIP---


Actually, the real news here is that a flight attendant spent the equivalent of 250,000 USD on a space flight. I'm not sure which is more newsworthy, that she's obviously gotten rather wealthy on Bitcoin, or that she's apparently still working...

 Considering the sums involved, accepting Bitcoin makes perfect sense for Virgin Galactic. You're not exactly going to be paying that with your credit card in most cases.

I wonder what international wire fees for that sum would come to, as well...
758  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2013, 10:43:02 AM
Re: trendlines, I see no way to know what they will be in the future. Now, you can get an average trend for what has been, but extrapolating that into the future seems iffy. It's possible the market up to now has consistently been either mostly above or below whatever the trendline will turn out to look like 5 years from now. Has anyone backtested this?
759  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2013, 04:39:52 AM

Uh, that money had to come from somewhere . . .   Even if all the money on the order book is from sold bitcoins, which it is of course not, the bitcoins that were sold had to be bought by someone with new money . . .   Slightly simplified, but you get the idea.   Do people even think before they say things these days?

You're right, I guess some sleep here would help. The only way this would be old money is if there was a lot of USD sitting on gox off the orderbooks, waiting for a crash.
760  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2013, 04:28:03 AM

Check http://blockchained.com/ , there is ATH amount of fiat on gox at 35MUSD. Only about 24MUSD was there during the April peak. So these money are pretty sure to be new money, not stucked goxbux

At the same time, only 27.5kXBT is for sale. Dividing 35M with 27.5k you have 1273USD/XBT



After a big bout of selling at record highs, there's a record sum of USD on gox books? That doesn't sound like new money to me.
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