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1401  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early speculator's reward antidote on: May 31, 2011, 06:28:50 PM
By the way, casascius, when I asked what new Bitcoin would be worth to you, I meant now. After all, you said you're already starting to value new coins more than old ones. I have a few new-ish coins mined in the last couple of months. Care to buy them, I'm sure we can come up with an exchange rate to suit us both.

Or would you then be taking unfair advantage of your realization that BCP is the future? Or just taking a risk (big IMO) that you deserve to be rewarded for if there turns out to be a profit to be made?
1402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early speculator's reward antidote on: May 31, 2011, 06:14:20 PM
 As we saw in the recent slip from $9 to $6, when newcomers stop throwing money on the table, the value of BTC starts to lose steam relatively fast.

Is this such a bad thing?
1403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early speculator's reward antidote on: May 31, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
Your foresight only has value if you are right. So why don't you provide proof that you destroyed all the rest of your BTC and deposited them into BCP?

I never will... I would be a fool to, because the difficulty (i.e. how easily I acquired my coins) would make them a poor conversion.  Nobody will want to convert BTC unless they were recently mined and would yield a comparable sum of BCP.  I however would throw all my mining at BCP as well as all recently mined coins.  BCP of course doesn't "exist" yet until a client is released for it.

So how much would a newly minted Bitcoin be worth to you, in older Bitcoin?
1404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Distribution solution: My first and last post, sick of the floundering around on: May 31, 2011, 05:36:50 PM
The reason people want to see physical bitcoin is to enable BTC payments without being online. This does not do that. If, for some reason, I bought BTC on a CD or USB stick, the first thing I'd do is load the wallet.dat in there onto a computer somewhere and transfer the coins to another address. As long as I haven't done this, the original seller is able to spend the coins at will.
1405  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early speculator's reward antidote on: May 31, 2011, 05:21:00 PM
...the whole attraction to Bitcoin is the notion that it's supposedly more fair than the USD, which I feel is a lie at best under the current block chain.

Who said that? The main attraction for Bitcoin is that it's not controlled by a central authority, is easily transferred and can be highly anonymous.
1406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early speculator's reward antidote on: May 31, 2011, 04:55:16 PM

I was not late.  I managed to buy 25,000 BTC at about 80 cents.  I have made a fucking fortune on Bitcoin

If you haven't sold a lot of coins, you haven't made a fortune. It's not profit until you use the coins for something. The exchange rates might crash tomorrow.

Anyway, as I said, all this talk about who deserves what is tedious. I'm wondering if this system you propose is even possible. As you've noticed, you have to have a mechanism for destroying BTC converted into BCP. Your solution is to send the BTC into an invalid address. Can this be done? The default client won't do it, so you'd have to use a modified one. Would "vanilla" miners accept such transactions into the block chain? If not, you can't prevent double-spending. If yes, then the vanilla Bitcoin client could be modified to not accept such transfers, if enough people wanted to make life difficult for your new currency.
1407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early speculator's reward antidote on: May 31, 2011, 04:27:30 PM
Someone please do this. I don't think I'll be willing to buy these new coins, but I'd like to see competition. There are several uncertainties in Bitcoin's future, one of them being how other distributed Internet currencies might affect the Bitcoin economy. Implement this idea and we'll get some data on that.

Anyway, I don't see the point of talking about fairness. The only thing that matters is what you can get people to buy. Perceptions of fairness may play a part in that, but mostly people care about expected profits for themselves, not what profits others might have made.

For me, the "fairest" currency would be one I minted myself and no-one else had any of, but obviously that's not going to have much value.
1408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4chan takes a chance on you on: May 31, 2011, 07:14:25 AM
Aw, I was hoping this was real, but probably it's just someone trying to scam a few BTC out of the gullible easy-to-frighten demographic.
1409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is it calculating/workng on?! on: May 30, 2011, 05:53:29 PM
But leaving your cpu running will theoretically allow you to find a block, and as such cash in almost $500, right? Odds aren't worse than playing any regular lottery?

The odds in a regular lottery are dismal.
1410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: question for those from the nations where USD is not in daily use. on: May 30, 2011, 01:53:57 PM
None. If I need to use USD, it's simplest to just pay with a credit card. Not that I ever do need USD apart from buying things on the internet.
1411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Co-ordinated DDoS on multiple mining pools on: May 30, 2011, 08:50:44 AM
Is it possible to have a decentralized pool, or is a central authority required to ensure miners are honest?
1412  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religious Orientation on: May 29, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
I'll believe anything I think I've seen sufficient proof for, and start to disbelieve anything I've believed before if I feel the idea in question has been sufficiently discredited. What denomination is that?

Infidel  Grin

That's actually quite accurate.
1413  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will governements shut down the internet? on: May 29, 2011, 09:31:31 PM
Highly unlikely.
1414  Other / Off-topic / Re: send out your women on: May 29, 2011, 09:27:40 PM
Any attempt to appeal to women in general will likely just come across as sexist. Hell, it would be sexist, since you would be implicitly claiming gender is important in economic affairs.

Bitcoin as a system is about as egalitarian as it gets. The block chain doesn't care about your gender. It has no way of even knowing your gender.
1415  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religious Orientation on: May 29, 2011, 08:01:15 PM
I'll believe anything I think I've seen sufficient proof for, and start to disbelieve anything I've believed before if I feel the idea in question has been sufficiently discredited. What denomination is that?
1416  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could really use some answers to these questions on: May 29, 2011, 07:45:40 PM
There's a reason economic theory is highly politicized. Answers to questions are rarely obvious, and it is difficult to get unbiased data.
1417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want to secure my bitcoins on: May 29, 2011, 07:31:57 PM
As with anything important, keep several backups. I prefer to store my wallet.dat in an encrypted container stored on Dropbox. Whenever I close the container I also make a local copy of it. Others prefer more copies, but for my purposes I feel this is enough, and I don't have to worry about keeping off-site backups up-to-date.
1418  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: Good vibes on: May 29, 2011, 05:53:17 PM
You might have better luck offering prayer services. Same thing, but people do pay for it. Maybe not here, though.
1419  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I think bitcoin is a great idea but my friend doesn't on: May 29, 2011, 11:12:21 AM

FYI, the 30 day transaction history shows that $5.7 Million transactions took place.  So the Mt Gox owner pocketed $37,000 last MONTH for this valuable service (less costs, of course).  Not bad for a side project, and if you are looking to make a few bucks on Bitcoins, set up a competing exchange with half the fees!  It can't be that tough!

Apparently it is quite tough, since there are competing exchanges yet Mt Gox is overwhelmingly the most popular. What would it take for another exchange to gain popularity. I mean what could a competing exchange offer, not what Mt Gox might do wrong.

Is there another exchange that acts as escrow in the way Gox does? I think that's a big part of the appeal, only having to trust the exchange,  not the people you're trading with.
1420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin v2.0 on: May 29, 2011, 11:00:51 AM
Regarding early adopter rewards, I think if Bitcoin ever becomes big on the scale being discussed here, the coins early adopters have accumulated will have been spread out considerably. Consider the hypothetical owner of 1% of all Bitcoin - what will they do with that money? Bitcoin, like all other money, only has value insofar as  you can exchange it for something. Currently anyone holding, say, 200,000 BTC is only hypothetically a USD millionaire. Trying to sell even a few thousand BTC will move the market significantly. The same will continue to apply in the future. No-one with 1% of Bitcoin could actually swing that much wealth around without seriously moving the market at the same time. In effect, such a person could spend smaller amounts at will, but try to hire an army of workers or build new pyramids, and they'll find their (and everyone else's) buying power rather seriously diminished.

tl;dr:
If you hoard large amounts of a resource and the market develops without those resources in circulation, you can't expect to be able to dump your hoard and not see a large drop in prices of said resource. Hoards are theoretical wealth.
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