the tax list contaigon quoted was bullshit, average taxation of 47,5% in germany?  

by chance im living in germany for a long long time now and the max income tax is 45% tax if you earn 250,000+ € per year my friend.
its definitely not the average taxation of a worker in germany.

some of the people posting in this thread too  

the tax list contaigon posted was bullshit, average taxation of 47,5% in germany?  

by chance im living in germany for a long long time now and the max income tax is 45% tax if you earn 250,000+ € per year my friend.
its definitely not the average taxation of a worker in germany.

Yes its: income tax +VAT +social security + govt health care + other misc taxes that affect the average person.

Excluding: corporate tax, car tax, property tax,inheritance tax, and other misc taxes that could be avoided if you are not in that group.

Those listed above are only those taxes, that are paid by every single worker, no matter what, basically its the forced racket tax basket.

you should seek help in form of a medical and psychological treatment

This is real good news for a lot of countries which import oil.

Massive global deflationary collapse underway!

We are heading back to retest the $35 levels of the 2008 deflationary episode, except this time QE can't come to the rescue!

Even China can't stimulate this time.

The fat lady has sung. We are in the 9th inning and the game is over. Massive collapse dead ahead. Europe and Japan will collapse in 2015, and the USA will top out in October then collapse into 2016. We will be in global deflationary chaos by 2017 or so.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/29/crude-oil-in-the-grips-of-massive-deflationary-cycle/

Yearly Bearish in Euro 121.56 – Woe is Europe

The fear of a resurgence of the Euro Crisis has weighed on the common currency driving it down sharply trading at 1.2156 at 6:05 EST. The euro fell to $ 1.2122 intraday, marking the lowest level in two and a half years. However, our Yearly Bearish Reversal is 1.2156 precisely where we are trading at the time of this update. A [yearly] closing beneath this area will bring all our forecasts into being.

...[two internet pioneers were socialist pigs]...

Contagion just can't face that fact that corruption can and does exist in capitalism.  Good thing he has no say on how the world works.  It would be a pretty bleak place if it only rewarded people who want to take, take, take their whole lives without giving anything back because they think taxation is somehow tantamount to theft.  Not much point in arguing further, since it's obvious he's not going to budge from his view.

I've never begrudged paying tax and I never will.  If you want to live in a world without public services and welfare, kindly go live in a cave on some remote island somewhere.  You can take as much as you want, but you'll find that won't be much when there's no one else to take from.  Greed is such a primitive emotion.  I'd have thought the world would be a little more enlightened by this point.

Why People Hate Capitalism

By Bruce of Stone Marmot

June 27, 2008

Capitalism is the most democratic economic system there is, for every time you spend a dollar, or refrain from spending a dollar, you are casting a vote. That is why so many people hate capitalism, because, with capitalism, the world people live in is the sum total result of each of their individual actions. In other words, capitalism makes people responsible for their own actions, whether they like it or not.

Most people subscribe to a different philosophy, a philosophy that is common to Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, blacks and whites, Christians and Moslems and Jews, environmentalists and industrialists, virtually every social-political group you can think of. That common philosophy is scapegoatism, which basically states that all the world's problems are someone else's fault.

Marxism is a Dead Idea But Capitalism (Freedom) has Never Truly Existed

The Socialists argue that we actually have a free market economy called capitalism and that is the reason for the economic downturns. They assume we can create an economic flat-line they call socialism/communism. Anything that booms and busts they call capitalism. The real question is when have we EVER had free markets and Capitalism without someone trying to regulate and manipulate the opposite side – labor or capital?

During the very early emergence of society coming out of the dark ages when we were abandoning serfdom, for a brief shining moment after the Black Plague or Death of the 14th century, capitalism may have existed for less than a year. Other than that, both sides (labor & capital) have been trying to regulate and manipulate the other ever since so there really has never been a free market that socialists seem to hate so much.

Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand was against the French Physiocrats who tried to reason that “wealth” was only agriculture and the blacksmith making products to sell to the farmer was a parasite living off of the wealth created by the farmer. Smith in his Wealth of Nations said that was wrong. Everyone combined through their individual productivity creates the wealth of the nation.

This is entirely acceptable for you - especially the emphasized part ^^. Why? Because as you have explained elsewhere, you were once a Christian. God says through the writer to the Hebrews in the Bible, that once a Christian falls away like you have, there is no chance that he can turn back to God.

I knew this all along. In everything that I have responded and explained to you, I was doing it so that it might provoke questions and ideas in the minds of others who might happen to read this thread. I knew you were lost from the moment you said you are a former Christian.

...socialism in it's most extremist form is bad...Capitalism isn't capitalism.  That's the problem, so stop blaming welfare and taxation.

The welfare state is good right now, because it invites many little people to get onto welfare. If the little people are smart, they will use whatever welfare they get to buy things like land, gold, silver, and Bitcoin. Then, once they are set, who cares if the fiats crash the world.

--B doesn't actually exist anywhere.

The salient point flew right over those loose rocks inside your cranium, that collectivized systems don't converge (i.e. don't optimize, a.k.a. no feedback loop stabilization) and instead diverge to megadeath every damn time over and over throughout history since Mesopotamia. Non-convergence has nothing to do with the specific examples of tax levels at any given stage of the divergence of collectivism along the way to its repeating horrific end game.

Even your feeble attempt at an obfuscatory rebuttal is factually incorrect. The insane tax levels I linked to (which exceed 19.5% limit of Hauser's Law) apply to the average worker in the nations of the world.


I have a very serious health problem of an incurable HPV virus that after 8 years has led to a worsening and debilitating neuropathy and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, with high probability of throat or head cancer. And I don't rely on any health insurance whatsoever, nor do I receive any welfare whatsoever. Nor am I wealthy any more, and I have to work to support myself while also being blind in one eye since 1999 and approaching 50 years of age.

Go whine to your mother you immature useless blob.

Perhaps you are one of those many foreigners over here in the Philippines who are living on fraudulent disability welfare.


Even I have no income lately and my savings is dwindling, I do still help the poor.

When your fucking government is done stealing and pilfering all the resources of the world, there will be nothing left to give to the poor. That is why socialism results in megadeath every damn time. But you are not a student of history.

The "stealing for the poor" can not be orthogonal to the "stealing for the banksters, perpetual wars, ...". Until you understand that IRON LAW, then you will continue your nonsense thinking.


Why don't you understand that the "1%" is the middle class? It is all a lie. The fact is the middle class is being destroyed and society is again headed towards the usual megadeath.


Learn how to separate propaganda from reality.

Post boils down to "I can list some extreme examples of taxation which in my backwards brain proves that all taxation is bad".  Shut up and pay your taxes, neo-lib.

Better yet, develop a serious health condition which leaves you unable to do your job and then let's see you bitch about welfare.

I'm guessing your world view basically equates to "fuck the poor".  

So we should keep making sure that all the money ends up in the hands of those who already have the most?  The insane thing to do is to carry on down that path and keep concentrating wealth in the hands of those who aren't spending it back into the economy.

Learn basic numeracy, please.

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Let me make sure you haven't lost the context:


I know socialist pigs will lie to keep their propaganda alive. Always entertaining though.

Rich people want to swim in money like Scrooge McDuck and they can't do that if they have to pay tax, therefore welfare is evil.  

The war on welfare is yet another symptom of neo-classical numerical illiteracy.  They don't understand the simple fact that people with low or no incomes will need to spend their money back into the economy out of necessity...

Can't tell if the sarcasm was lost in my post somehow.  I don't think there's a single cause and even if there was it definitely isn't welfare.  There are likely dozens of causes, but lately all the scaremongering and scapegoating is on things like welfare and immigration and I'm sick of hearing it.  

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Btw, Spain even taxes sunlight if you use solar panels.

And both Obama and France want to add a 16% tax on your internet use.

The system will continue to worsen until it expropriates every thing, which is exactly what causes 600 year Dark Ages, unless humanity finds a way to break out of the political inertia that holds the system together, i.e. the welfare and pension State where many people are dependent on the State.

Those listed above are only those taxes, that are paid by every single worker, no matter what, basically its the forced racket tax basket.

Because you could legally avoid: property tax with renting, car tax by using the bus, inheritance tax by rejecting the inheritance.

But you can't avoid legally the: income tax, VAT, (social security and healthcare you can if you are unemployed, but what good is that).

- inflation: ~1% the official number, of course i bet that it's more like around 3% as the CB probably lies about this

Canada Warns its Citizens Not to Take Cash to USA

The Canadian government has had to warn its citizens not to carry cash to the USA because the USA does not presume innocence but guilt when it comes to money. Over $2.5 billion has been confiscated from Canadians traveling to the USA funding the police who grab it.

If you are bringing cash to the land of the free, you will find that saying really means they are FREE to seize all your money under the pretense you are engaged in drugs with no evidence or other charges. It costs more money in legal fees to try to get it back so it is a boom business for unethical lawyers to such an extent that only one in six people ever try to get their money back and the cops just pocket it. That’s right. Money confiscated is usually allowed to be kept by the department who confiscated it. This is strangely working its way into funding police and pensions. This is identical to the very issue that resulted in the final collapse of Rome when the armies began to sack cities to pay for their pensions.

Civil Asset Forfeiture Police Corruption Exposed

The police have become outright criminals and can confiscate people’s property and keep it for themselves. This is one of the best explanations I have ever seen. It correctly states that the legal action is against the property – NOT YOU!

Civil Asset Forfeiture Scam – State Legalizes Marijuana Feds Confiscate your Home for Possession of just $10 worth

The government position in Civil Asset Forfeiture is they do not have to prove you did anything. In fact, even if you are charged with a crime and are acquitted by a jury, they still confiscate your property for legally people are never found “innocent”, they are found “not guilty.” This gives government the moral justification to just take your stuff.

The real interesting development is that states may legalize marijuana, but it remains a federal crime. They do not prosecute the people in those states, but for $10 worth of marijuana they can confiscate your house and never have to charge you. Police are pulling people over leaving states where they sell marijuana and if the police find marijuana in the car, there goes the car.

Only the Rich Can Afford to Keep Their Homes

...Phily.COM has reported the case of Christos Sourovelis and Doila Welch,who were both caught up in having their homes seized to pay police pensions when the police arrested a relative they claimed was dealing drugs on their properties. Today, you basically have to shun relatives and never pick up a hick-hiker in trouble for if they have any drugs, even marijuana, there goes your assets.

The prosecutors, only after these people has money for lawyers and the press got involved, moved for dismissal in Common Pleas Court.

Here is the entire problem. Only the rich can win for it is your burden to fork-over huge legal fees. If you do not have the money for lawyers, there goes your property. This is what is desperately wrong in America. Any law passed becomes your burden to prove it is unconstitutional. They can actually pass the ancient right of kings under the Common Law since there is precedent known as Prima Noctum – first night. The governor, mayor, county freeholder, whoever, could “legally” claim the right to spend the first night in bed with any women getting married in their district. It would then become your burden to say – NO. That is uncivilized. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing as it now stands for them to pass such a law. It is then the public’s burden to say no way and fight. This is seriously wrong within out legal system. This allows police to kill people randomly or to pull every person over on their way to work to see if they have all their identification. Whatever they do is OK because they do not FIRST have to go to some constitutional court and ask – is this law justified? Consequently, only the rich can defend the constitution. All others can pray – that’s about it.

Cities Budget Civil Asset Forfeiture As Part of their Funding

Since 2009, Washington, D.C. officers have made more than 12,000 civil asset seizures under city and federal laws, according to records and data obtained from the city by The Washington Post through the District’s open records law. Half of the more than $5.5 million in cash seizures were for $141 or less, with more than a thousand for less than $20. D.C. police have seized more than 1,000 cars, some for minor offenses allegedly committed by the children or friends of the vehicle owners, documents show. Any excuse to simply rob the people is in full bloom.

Worse yet, cities need money desperately. They are now including civil asset forfeitures as part of their budget. In other words, police are under orders to confiscate your money for any excuse possible. This was the end phase of the Roman Empire. The army began sacking Roman cities on the pretense they stood against whoever the proclaimed to be emperor. Rome weakened itself and cannibalized its own civilization. This is what government is doing now in the USA.

Government Imprisoning People Who Cannot Pay a Fine
Posted on December 29, 2014 by Martin Armstrong

Some people have said I am too critical of government and that government is here to help us. The only thing that government is here to do is to help themselves to other people’s money. Around the world governments are desperate for money...

In Italy, the municipal governments have cameras on everything. They make roads very cleverly accessible by car for brief periods turning them off an on like a light-switch. Many cities in Italy live off of fining tourists. Travel to Italy, but never rent a car. You will be getting tickets in the mail years after your trip with just curt statements you drove down some street that was unauthorized. Of course they will not tell you even the street, day, or time. Just send them money. Many cities in Italy issue more tickets each year then there are people living in the entire city. It has become a business.

...In Cherry Hill, New Jersey, locals know to avoid Route 70 at Springdale Road. This single camera has issued 17,000 tickets when the total
population (including children) is just under 70,000. It has been so outrageous that a class action lawsuit was filed.

The latest scam has been cities across the United States are increasingly turning to what are known as private probation companies to collect unpaid fines. If you do not pay the fine, they have been throwing people in prison – that’s right – debtor’s prison is back. These are not just small things. One girl in our office was pulled over for a small crack in her windshield. The cop gave her about $3,000 would of tickets for every possible thing he could write her up for. She was working part-time trying to finish university and did not come from a well off family. It was just outrageous treatment. When I tried to help her to pay some of the tickets online, they marked them all mandatory court appearance.

Indigent people are ending up in jail because they can’t afford to pay fines hurled at them by municipal governments who are dead broke and desperate to fine people, raise taxes, all so they can fund their
pensions. PBS first reported this story of debtor’s prison returning on TV last spring. The publicity is has been far too little.

...Fox News reported on the revival of Debtor’s Prison. NBC has also reported this rising problem. Congress is willing to help bankers – just never the public against the abuse of government.

... — fuck rights we don't need rights we need actual individually sovereign power!

The generative essence solution is decentralization, not the global, centralized NWO bullshit...

The Dark Enlightenment is not correctly summarized in the OP.

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In essence, it is the rise of anarchist cyberworld Knowledge Age, where government is irrelevant and impotent and the individual and his technological capabilities rein supreme. Most of the population will fall into a Dark Age, because they can't compete effectively against hackers and they are reliant on collectivism, debt, and the bankrupt industrial age.

Oh and I am more important than Moldberg in the Dark Enlightenment.

Also Cyberocracy has a more established name Technocracy. Please use the correct term.

I understand Moldbug's "Only One Currency Can Win" which Satoshi also apparently validated.

And I have explained how I think a bifurcated economy could violate Gresham's Law and allow for two monetary units to coexist globally analogous to how national currencies coexist due to a Coasian barrier of individuals not trading directly internationally.

The one unit will be controlled by the banksters and the masses and this will be the 666 slavery system. The other crypto-currency unit will be for those who hold their "unit-of-account" in "units-of-knowledge". You see as a hacker, you don't care about...

I am happy to inform that Eric says I am not banned as long as I can remain respectful and has allowed my input to be considered. I posted another summary of my idea.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5558&cpage=1#comment-479608

Open source theory is rooted in evolutionary psychology, by Eric S. Raymond[2]
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6586#comment-1364271

(note you won't find my comment below at the above link, because Eric S. Raymond censors my comments. Go figure    )


[2] Eric S. Raymond is the 150 - 170 IQ genius writer and progenitor of the term “open source” and promoted it as a non-communist, alternative to Richard Stallman’s and GNU’s antecedent “free software” movement. He is famous for writing the The Art of Unix Programming, the Cathedral and the Bazaar, and the Magic Cauldron, which enumerated many of the design and economic philosophies and principles that drive the internet, modern software, and open source. If you want to dig into understanding the coercion, communism problem with “free software” which ESR corrected with his promulgation of “open source”, listen to Eric’s advocacy in the following video about permissive open source licenses versus the GNU GPL viral licenses which compel certain actions on the licensee.

http://jobtipsforgeeks.com/2012/05/17/lessons-from-a-jug-talk-with-eric-esr-raymond/ (skip to 9:30 mins in video, or 11:15 for punch line)

Is Anonymity undesirable for society or unrealistic?


In the part of my prior post which you did not quote, I explained that certain contracts can be indisputable because they are algorithmically settled. With the Knowledge Age, I expect these type of indisputable contracts to become a preponderance of the GDP[1]. My hypothesis is the Knowledge Age changes the fundamental basis of society.

For example, I expect the monetization of open source to foster granularity of project modules. So this means instead of contributing to for example Firefox or Linux source code, an open source developer could instead contribute to a module of source code with a much more general but limited scope of functionality (e.g. a HTML rendering engine or an image format rendering engine, i.e. the latter is a sub-module of the former module). These modules would then be funded by a license fee paid by the users of the software. The key here is micropayments, because each module would self-register itself on installation and request a micropayment from the user. The user would be shown  an aggregation dialog box of all the micropayments for the all the modules in the software they want to install and use, and click to approve the payments. A huge advantage is then we can upgrade specific modules of a software, so we can customize software to our liking. For example, Mozilla assholes would no longer have the power to do what I warned them would be egregiously unpopular with website developers. You thus see from that Mozilla fiasco that even in open source, the IRON LAW of Political Economics applies. The way open source funding works now is that the key developers of large projects are funded by large corporations. Thus only the core developers receive remuneration. And the synergies and network-effects are highly muted as compared to the new paradigm I describe above.

[1]	Iron was a precious metal 342 B.C.. Commodity prices inexorably trend downwards. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg6065144#msg6065144 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg6082580#msg6082580 http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#2nd_Law_of_Thermo

 

Firstly, I philosophically do not agree that which is natural is a cost for society. I believe the antithesis is the truth, which is that statism attempts to enforce unnatural outcomes[2], which is huge cost on society because nature always wins in the end.

But more saliently, as usual is appears you don't view the issue holistically and only look at one of the vectors that the new paradigm changes. For example, parents have a responsibility to protect their children from paedophilia and the Knowledge Age will economically empower individuals so they can have more influence over their kids, i.e. not be dependent on sending their kids to public schools where they lose some of their individuality and morals. The current statism is destroying the family unit which destroys children and makes them more vulnerable to paedophilia. Statist funded feminism[2] is causing more rape than anonymity could ever hope to. Murder rates are 26 times higher amongst blacks who have lower IQs and knowledge age skills — fact is that Knowledge Age workers do not murder. Increase in the risk of collectively funded assassination would be a great incentive to be anonymous and to not be a public figure, thus another restraint on corrupt governance and overpaid actors and sports stars which are a moral turpentine on society ("let them eat cake" or "feed them bread and circus" to keep their minds preoccupied).

Note I believe IRON LAW of Political Economics can't coexist with the Knowledge Age, because remember my thesis is that knowledge isn't fungible and can't be financed, thus it really can't be centralized and controlled and thus the government must eradicate the Knowledge Age if the government is to survive. In short, there is war ahead and only one side can survive. If the government wins, humanity loses.

[2]

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/10/13/defeating-the-business-cycle-a-goal-for-thousands-of-years/ http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/10/01/what-socialism-destroyed-govt-shutdown/ http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/11/socialism-at-its-best-how-to-destroy-the-wealth-of-a-nation/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9910747#msg9910747 (Western civilization destroyed by trying to enforce gender equality) http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4934 (The true meaning of moral panics) http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/03/04/5-ways-feminism-has-ruined-america http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3567 (What ‘privilege’ means to me) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg5916097#msg5916097 (Banning both breathing and death)

 

I entirely disagree. I would still want anonymity because it provides the correct incentives for the game theory of society, as I enumerated above. Never should the game theory be based around personalities, but rather based on actual deeds which has nothing to do with identity. I view this very mathematically. Thanks for calling me out to explain my philosophy so it is available in the public record.


Not only unrealistic, but uniformed about the real game theory of society. Also society can't vote anonymity out of existence. Nothing can stop anonymity unless it is technologically possible for a central authority to squelch it. See below...


This is the big open question. Even I am not sure how this will play out, but I will say do not entirely underestimate the power of the Knowledge Age. It is possible we can render the government's power quite impotent. For example, if the government wants to pay footsy with internet kill switches and packet filtering, we can switch to P2P mesh networks of WiFi routers and stenography. Also if the Knowledge Age is more profitable for people than the collapsing socialism which becomes draconian, then the majority of people walk away from the government (withdraw their support for its authority) and walk to anonymity and the Knowledge Age. It could be like the fall of the Berlin Wall, one day the government realizes they've lost and it falls peacefully in tidal wave action.

That is my grand hope.

There will always be a need for dispute resolution and mediation in contracts. It is impossible to fully remove this need. Although it is certainly possible to mitigates the state’s role via private judges/arbitrators the best that can be achieved here is minimization.

Two separate issues here. 1) It there a social cost to adding unbreakable anonymity in monetary transactions 2) Is the cost worth the benefits.

It is true that such crimes are ancient ones. However, it is also true that the creation of a marketplace where such activities can be financed in absolute anonymity will lead to an increase in said activity.

Ask yourself this question. If everyone in the world was suddenly gifted with your current understanding of fiat, cryptocurrency, socialism and its dangers would you want anonymity in a world currency? The answer in my opinion is no.

In such a admittedly very unrealistic scenario there would be no need for anonymity as the populace would vote to dismantle the foundations of fiat based socialism. There would be no justification for facilitating the aberrant social behavior that unbreakable anonymity helps hide.

Now obviously that is a completely unrealistic scenario. However, I believe it demonstrates why the long term solution to this problem is education and where that fails natural selection. Anonymity is a useful means to protect individuals until society progresses to the point where it can be safely set aside.

Perhaps but this has yet to be proven. Certainly nothing that exists today meets this criteria. The state is likely to come down hard on an anonymous cryptocurrency if it starts to gain traction. That alone will increase the cost of using it.

There will always be a need for dispute resolution and mediation in contracts. It is impossible to fully remove this need. Although it is certainly possible to mitigates the state’s role via private judges/arbitrators the best that can be achieved here is minimization.

Two separate issues here. 1) It there a social cost to adding unbreakable anonymity in monetary transactions 2) Is the cost worth the benefits.

It is true that such crimes are ancient ones. However, it is also true that the creation of a marketplace where such activities can be financed in absolute anonymity will lead to an increase in said activity.

Ask yourself this question. If everyone in the world was suddenly gifted with your current understanding of fiat, cryptocurrency, socialism and its dangers would you want anonymity in a world currency? The answer in my opinion is no.

In such a admittedly very unrealistic scenario there would be no need for anonymity as the populace would vote to dismantle the foundations of fiat based socialism. There would be no justification for facilitating the aberrant social behavior that unbreakable anonymity helps hide.

Now obviously that is a completely unrealistic scenario. However, I believe it demonstrates why the long term solution to this problem is education and where that fails natural selection. Anonymity is a useful means to protect individuals until society progresses to the point where it can be safely set aside.

Perhaps but this has yet to be proven. Certainly nothing that exists today meets this criteria. The state is likely to come down hard on an anonymous cryptocurrency if it starts to gain traction. That alone will increase the cost of using it.