Vomit-inducing, isn't it?  
But don't worry, I don't *think* you're agreeing with him. Luke (the whore) is under the impression that BFL clearly WON that bet. No word yet on what kickbacks Josh is giving him to continue insisting on that line. Whereas you (and I) merely hold that a draw is a marginally acceptable outcome.

But I [sarc]really hope[/sarc] that the battle lines continue to be hardened and that my so-far utterly non-descript reputation on these boards becomes dependent on which side of the Josh/Luke-Micon axis I must apparently jump in to defend.  

ETA: re the suggestion that CoinJedi may have placed on that bet - well obviously if that was the case there'd be a serious conflict of interest and I'd join everyone else in calling for a scammer tag for CoinJedi.

-1.

Call it a poor decision on BoB's part if you like. But unless you have some sort of proof of their collusion with Josh and Luke, it's not a scam. Nor is it stealing. Unless you are a serious gambling addict.

I've already stated my position earlier in the thread - namely, whilst I stood to win on that bet like everyone else who thinks BFL is incompetent, I'm not getting the pitchfork out for BoB's decision. I'd have preferred a win, but for me a draw is acceptable given the fuzzy aspects of the bet and the shady way the content and circumstances of the OP make it (IMHO) a borderline case.

It's not stealing. Everyone who put money in has got their money back. If you bet 15BTC and were expecting (say) 16BTC, the 1BTC has not been stolen. It isn't in BoB's pocket, it's back where it started before the bet. One thing is, if BoB didn't refund the charge to whoever authored the bet, that's bad and they should definitely do that.

I guess it all depends how much of a gambling problem you have. 

Hah!  That is one nicely done burn.

This, a thousand times this. While I've long thought Josh was an abrasive loudmouthed tit, I never realised he's quite as slimy as this. And Luke... I had him pegged as an 'upstanding member of the community', and now I see him stooping to this stunt. Yuck. And in the last few hours he's returned to the thread to show how he's not yet finished sucking BFL's cock.

Alright, I'll chime in as someone who bet 15BTC on 'true', i.e. the BFL-will-fuck-up position. Maybe I'm the only guy on the bet-is-true side to think that BoB made an acceptable call here, but so be it. No, BFL didn't win the bet, but they provided juuuuust enough wiggle room to provide 18+ pages of shouting.

I suggest we all give BoB a break here. The real ire should be reserved for Josh, the worst and slimiest customer relations guy in recorded history, and Luke, who is a whore. If BoB screwed up anywhere it was in not demanding a more precisely worded bet.

Of all the pigfucky things in Luke's OP, that's what you want to quibble over?

Thanks for responding so quickly to this. By all means take a few days. I'd hate to be you.  I think your two uses of scare quotes sum up the sliminess of this whole situation perfectly.


You, though... you're a whore.

It actually sounds tempting. I have a GPU mini-farm at the mo, and an ASIC Single on order, but you can never hash too much.

Coupla Qs: how many individual units do you have in that rig? What's the total power draw? Are you shipping the whole rig as shown in that photo, cables and stands and everything? And... WHY? Surely it is insanely profitable right now?

You know, I actually AM happy that BFL have got an ASIC that hashes, even if it's a sucky prototype. It means the order I placed for a single was actually worthwhile. But 'respect' is a little too much to ask for. And the idea that we should be thankful they didn't run off into the sunset... well, I've *heard* of Stockholm Syndrome, but I don't (yet) have it.

(Three months from now, I'll probably be nursing a black eye and broken arm, saying 'but I know BFL really loves me, and he was so funny and charming when we first met, and I shouldn't have provoked him by sending all those bitcoins'...)

If this IS an April Fool's joke then I hope Luke dies painfully of cancer this year.

Disclaimer: I DO have a stake in the BoB bet; I bet a quite considerable amount for it (i.e. they would NOT ship). Obviously I would greatly prefer that this bet outcome is decided as true.

Having said that, I can see arguments for each side. I will be furious if the bet is decided as false. But others will be furious if it decided as true. If it is false, BFL have only 'delivered' in the most profoundly weaselly way possible.

75% rate? It gets 78%. 3 freakin' points over the minimum requirement. And ONLY if you look at the average for the most recent time interval, not a few hours.

It wasn't 'shipped', it was kept at BFL labs. But the word shipped is only in the title, not the main text. So it may not count.

The bet condition specifies 'before April 1st'. So the cgminer output shows... March the goatfucking 31st. At 17 horsefisting minutes to midnight.

Someone needs to post pictures 'before April 1st'. So Luke does it at 36 minutes past midnight on April 1st, and says 'as of yesterday' as soon as he possibly can. So we can all have a good long wank about timezones.

At the end of the bet the event deadline is 'April 1, 2013 end of day Eastern Time'. But the main text says 'before April 1st'. So do we go by the main bet text or the 'Event Date' field in the Info section? If the latter takes precedence over the former, does the word 'shipped' in the title also overrule the bet text? If not, why not?

The poster cannot be a BFL employee. So it apparently 'belongs' (see next point) to someone who is not technically an employee in the strictest sense. Though it seems to me that 'independent contractor who writes the software that BFL have stated is part of the product' makes this a distinction without a difference.

It's clearly the same setup as previously posted videos from BFL. But Luke insists it's his unit. Even though it's in BFL labs. Why, it's almost as if someone from BFL labs phoned Luke up a few minutes before midnight and said 'Hey Luke... the prototype we've just barely got working in our labs. It's yours! But we need a favour in return...'

The bet concerns 'the 3 Butterfly Labs Bitforce SC products'. What's on the photo is clearly not any of the finished products. Or at least it had better fucking well not be. But, maybe it's what will go inside a Single.

The power draw is a fucking joke, FAR above what BFL promised. But the bet doesn't mention power.

The unit has tons of hardware errors and likely as not will fail within a week. But the bet doesn't say it can't be a lemon.

It sure looks like two units, so the stated hashrate would mean they've failed the 75% criterion. But... maybe only one unit is hashing?

The bet text requires 'at least one BFL customer'. And so we get... one. Can't argue with that. One is 'at least one'. SOME people might expect that given that BFL have THOUSANDS of preorders, the number of confirmed working ASICS shipped to customers ought to be at least... say... two. Preferably two thousand. But 1>=1. Why work to please your customers when you can work to weasel a bet?

[ETA: further points - how reliable is Luke? Given that the photos were taken by Josh at BFL, how credible does that make them? The only independent confirmation we have is from LUKE'S FUCKING POOL. Not exactly 'independent'... oh, but then, it's not technically his pool anymore. But he still advises on it and has software access]

So it's pretty fucking clear that BFL have certainly failed the *spirit* of the bet, even if they've followed the *letter*, and even that is debatable. As was said earlier, this stupid fucking thread cannot be taken to mean that BFL have stepped up to the plate. It's a cheap fucking stunt because they were shitting their pants about losing money on the bet, so they looked carefully at all minutiae to see if they could pull a fast one.

Whilst I would be happiest to win the bet, an acceptable alternative, and probably the best for all concerned, would be for BetsOfBitcoin to annul the bet and give EVERYONE on both sides their money back. And then go visit BFL labs and take a dump in all of their coffee mugs.

[ETA2: of course all this assumes that the devices shown are NOT just FPGA singles with the covers off. If they are then the bet's unquestionably true]

So we STILL don't know what fucking work is actually being asked for?

Heh. NEO2012 was my first introduction to that little orange 'ignore' button. Frequent all-caps, meth-head spelling, acid-flashback grammar and utterly no semantic or artistic value. What's not to love?

So this is a thread for us all to post basic arithmetical calculations is it?

Well I'd tell you what 911 x 2356 is, but I've heard nobody knows.

100% is my ideal plan, but I put 90% as I'm only in part time employment at the mo, and my supply of GBP is draining faster than I can fill it up. That and the whole 'Bitcoin should be a means of transaction, not just a store of value' colliding with 'Be the change you want to see in the world' thing. And classes in English sentence composition. Christ.

You are making this mathematics and physics tutor *very* annoyed.

You know, you could just google 'Dyson sphere'. 

You may want to rethink your slogan:

BELGIUM, you say?