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521  Economy / Economics / Re: Holdings of gold vs Holdings of btc on: September 11, 2017, 03:09:22 AM
Holding of bitcoin and holding of btc has lots of difference. So, its the user who decides based on the necessity. For the one who expects an increased income with much risks in it prefer bitcoin, while the people who expect security for the holdings unlike the profiting prefers gold. This tendency might change when bitcoin gives an assurance of 100% risk free in terms of hacking and other encounters.
yes all in depending on our needs and desires. when we want to get a big profit opportunity in a short time then bitcoin is the right choice, but bitcoin has a very high risk. and when we want a safe long-term investment then gold can be the best choice. it all depends on each choice.
522  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's The Minimum Investment? on: September 11, 2017, 03:02:22 AM
If you're looking to make any sort of profit from cryptocurrency and you're just starting out, what do you think is the minimum starting investment you ought to put into it?

Yes, I know "you should only put in what you're willing to lose" but surely there should be a barest minimum, right?

EDIT: If you don't mind sharing, how much did you start with?
There is no minimum limit in making an investment. we have to think that any bit of investment we make it can make us a profit or loss. rationally that is when we have more money then we can have the opportunity to get bigger profit and if we have little money then we will get the appropriate result. as well as the opportunity losses, we also have the same opportunities as in making a profit.
523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Value Will Soar High in the Future on: September 09, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
Bitcoin phenomenon is predicted to be more massive in the future. In fact, the digital currency is mentioned in the middle of a bubble economy or economic bubble.
how do you think?
bitcoin has a bright future to thrive in today's world economy. look at how bitcoin prices can be so fantastic, everyone supports bitcoin and they use bitcoin every day. I think there will be a new economic era and we will leave the current economic era. everything will become more digitizing in the next few years. and the level of human economy will increase.
524  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: akun bitcointalk dan bagaimana cara mengatur waktu? on: September 09, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
kalau saya pribadi sih ngga ada waktu khusus untuk forum ini, ya karena saya juga pekerja offline juga jadi saya gunakan waktu luwang dsaat istirahat atau disaat pekerjaan sudah kelar untuk membuka forum ini, membaca banyak informasi yang ada disini mengenai dunia altcoin atau crypto, waktu tidak terbatas kapanpun bisa saya gunakan untuk forum ini, setiap harinya saya habiskan waktu antar 2 sampai dengan 4 jam lah untuk baca forum ini, trade kecil kecilan beberapa koin di exchager, jadi kalau waktu ya saya tidak tentukan sedapatnya kapan kita bisa... Grin
Kalau ane sih punya 1 akun dan untuk mengoprasikan ya tidak perlu waktu tertentu,ya paling kita buka ya diwaktu luang aja tapi bisa juga diwaktu2 kita lagi istirahat.jadi waktu untuk buka forum btc ngak terlalu ribet juga kalau menurut saya gan,yang terpenting kita selalu online untuk mengerjakan tugas dari project yang kita ikutin...
ya betul sekali gan dengan memanfaatkan waktu sebenarnya kita juga sudah memiliki kesempatan yang cukup untuk megakses forum ini . biasanya di waktu istirahat kantor dan juga waktu istirahat di rumah sebelum tidur menjadi pilihan ane untuk bisa berinteraksi disini . memang berat di awalnya , tapi kalo sudah dibiasakan maka itu akan terasa sangat mudah .
525  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: September 09, 2017, 04:35:42 PM
Stoke city VS Manchester united. 0-3

I'm sure that manchester united can bring 3 points in their away games. stoke city is a tough team but manchester united have the strength to beat many teams this season.

#manchester city beat liverpool with a score of 5-0. this is an embarrassing defeat for liverpool.
526  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: komunitas trader bitcoin Bali (belajar dan bertumbuh bersama) on: September 09, 2017, 04:16:38 PM
sangat bagus ide kamu gan, dengan adanya komunitas di berbagai daerah di indonesia, maka akan bertambah banyak peminat bitcoin baru yang akan masuk ke dalam dunia cryptocurrency gan. SALUT
beberapa komunitas sekarang memang sudah dibuat dan dikembangkan di beberapa daerah . ini memang adalah ide yang sangat bagus , tapi kita memerlukan sebuah komunitas yang terpusat dan juga terkordinir . kalo bisa mungkin membuat seperti komunitas komunitas tenar  lainnya yang sudah ada . ada ketua pusat yang menangangi wilayah seindonesia dan juga luar negeri , ada pula daerah yang diwakili oleh setiap sektor yang bisa disebut sebuah wilayah dan yang terakhir adalah wilayah kota/kab . coba bayangkan dengan sebuah komunitas yang lebih terpusat dan juga terkendali maka sebuah komunitas akan tumbuh besar dan ane rasa ini akan sangat berpengaruh .
527  Economy / Exchanges / Re: What are the best exchanges to use? on: September 09, 2017, 02:46:59 PM
Bittrex is pretty nice. Once you get fully verified you'll be able to withdraw heaps of bitcoins. Wink However you can't buy bitcoin for cash on bittrex. For that I use btcdirect.eu
although bittrex does not yet have a USD trade feature but I'm pretty sure that bittrex is one of the best exchanges available today. bittrex provides security and is also a very complete feature in performing any trading. try and feel that bittrex is the best at the moment.
528  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Banking with your bitcoin on: September 09, 2017, 02:37:12 PM
we are still very far away for this kind of thing in my opinion. because there is still a great deal of difference between conventional banks and bitcoin. there must be a new system that can integrate both. probably the easiest is to make the Bank of bitcoin, this can be an alternative, but if viewed more deeply it may look like exchanges because of the similarity of the function is able to accept bitcoin and can also do withdraw local currency in the world.
529  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bitcoin bisa jadi alternatif investasi selain Emas. on: September 09, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
CEO Bitcoin Indonesia Oscar Darmawan mengatakan, saat ini makin banyak orang yang memandang Bitcoin menjadi salah satu investasi seperti emas.

betul itu gan, cuman perbedaanya resiko. kalau emas nak turunya sedikit dan kebanyakan naik walau harga naiknya gak terlalu banyak. sedangkan bitcoin kenaikan dan penurunan bisa setiap detik gan, dan terkadang bisa naik maupun turunnya sangat tinggi. sehingga resikonya besar, tetapi untungnya juga besar  Grin
kalo bisa dibandingkan maka emas adalah investasi jangka panjang yang sangat aman . sementara bitcoin saat ini adalah sebuah barang/nilai yang memiliki kualitas sama seperti emas karena berhak disebut sebagai sebuah barang yang berharga . bitcoin lebih variatif karena bisa digunakan sebagai investasi jangka pendek dan juga investasi jangka panjang . salah satu kelemahan bitcoin yang mungkin harus dikhawatirkan adalah pergerakan harga bitcoin  yang sangat cepat , jika meningkat maka itu tidak akan menjadi masalah karena kita akan mendapatkan keuntungkan . tapi jika mendapatkan kerugian maka kita harus berpikir lebih cermat dalam mengambil sebuah keputusan .
530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it better that China just gets out of Bitcoin? on: September 09, 2017, 02:03:31 PM
Bitcoin was sailing along nicely yesterday and apart from the usual technical issues that accompany Bitcoin and other alts there was generally a positive outlook for Bitcoin. Suddenly the markets went crazy when the rumors came out that China would ban Exchanges from trading in Bitcoin. Personally I am getting fed up with China news having such a big influence on Bitcoin. Nobody knows now for the next few days now what is likely to happen and whether Bitcoin will fall hard should this rumor turn out to be true. What will be the result? - a significant fall followed by longer term stability perhaps. Either way we can't keep having this uncertainty if Bitcoin is going to get acceptance in the general community.

news about china is very influential on digital currency including bitcoin. the fact that bitcoin prices dropped quite drastically, but now we can breathe easier because bitcoin prices have started to show a positive trend. bitcoin prices have begun to move and return to rates above 45000 $.
531  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is this trading strategy profitable? on: September 08, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
the problem is most people can not be patience when they are trap in one price and they are in panic situations, they don't think too much and they only want their btc back even if they are only get loss. many of us having this experience and some of us choose to waiting the price is back and not sell because we know if we are selling our coins then we can get loss in money value.
I agree with you that the most influential and destructive outcome we will get is a panic. because the panic can make our decision to be in a hurry. but when we can be patient then we can get good results. this is self-control that can make it all work or fail. so be patient is one of the important points to get perfect results.
532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you a problem gambler? on: September 08, 2017, 11:28:13 AM
Not everybody has a problem gambling, but if you are a problem gambler, there is a support network they may help you. It starts with you recognizing the problem.

Start here:
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/content/20-questions

Let's work on this together, you're not alone and you don't need to suffer from your addiction. If you have solutions or have the compassion to provide moral support, please help by participating in this thread.
This might be a little help. but I make sure that addiction in the gambling game will be very difficult to remove. at this time a lot of people who feel addicted and can not get out of the zone that can ruin his life. the only way it might try to get out and get away from the various media that can connect us to the gambling game.
533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The advantages of bitcoin on: September 08, 2017, 11:24:56 AM
Bitcoin has many advantages itself by just being a digital currency. You can take it anywhere with you around the globe and you can use it or cash it out anywhere because it is also a global currency.
convenience is a top priority possessed by bitcoin. we can easily make transactions with just a few steps. besides we can do financial transactions wherever and whenever we are. this is what is currently used by many people, besides that we also can get many benefits by doing bitcoin investment. already many people who proved to be rich because it can make the right decision in storing bitcoin.
534  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pendapat kalian tentang coin yang bisa menyaingi bitcoin on: September 08, 2017, 07:44:14 AM
Hallo kawan kawan crypto, apa pendapat kalian jika suatu hari nanti muncul sebuah coin yang bisa menyaingi atau mungkin bisa mengalahkan bitcoin ? Apakah itu mungkin bisa terjadi ? Tulis pendapat dan alasan kalian.

Dibilang mungkin atau tidak sih mungkin aja bisa terjadi di masa depan tapi kalau untuk sekarang ini belom ada yang bisa menyaingi bitcoin, terutama di harga bitcoin yang terus melonjak keatas yang kalo dibandingkan dengan cryptocurrency yang lain susah untuk naik terus. Mungkin 5 atau 10 tahun lagi ada koin baru yang bener2 bisa menyaingi bitcoin.
Dahulu eth pernah digadang gadang untuk menjadi altcoin yang memiliki prospek bagus untuk menyaingi bitcoin , tapi hasilnya eth saat ini masih belum bisa memberikan trend yang positive .pergerakan harga bitcoin yang meningkat drastis selama beberapa bulan ini tidak diikuit juga oleh altcoin seperti eth .  kemarin kita sempat mengenal bitcoincash yang memiliki peluang untuk menyamai harga bitcoin , faktanya hasilnyapun hanya sebuah harapan kosong  . perlu ada gebarakan yang sangat kuat dan juga investasi yang besar untuk bisa membuat sebuah altcoin bertahan dan bahkan menyaingi harga bitcoinn  .
535  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bagaimana tanggapan para senior on: September 08, 2017, 07:21:03 AM
Apakah para bitcoin mampu menyaingi mata uang yang sah atau yang diakui oleh sebuah negara.
pertanyaan yang memang menjadi tanda tanya bagi semua orang saat ini . pengesahan bitcoin secara resmi memang sudah ditungu tunggu dan kita tinggal menanggapi bagaimana tanggapan yang diberikan pemerintah . beberapa negara sudah ada yang melakukan himbauan untuk tidak menggunakan bitcoin dan ada pula negara yang memberikan pernyataan bahwa mereka mendukung bitcoin secara penuh  . mungkin perlu waktu beberapa dekade untuk bisa menuju sesi waktu seperti yang diharapkan yaitu pengakuan bitcoin secara global   . 
536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin the price $250,000 in the next 10 years on: September 08, 2017, 07:00:30 AM
10 years is a lot of time and i can say that it is very possible for the price of bitcoin to reach up to 250,000 USD in just 10 years because we can see a lot of improvements for bitcoin in these coming years and it will improve the system of bitcoin which will result for another pump in the price and it will repeat until the price reaches more than 250,000 USD.
250,000 USD is a huge amount, but I do not think the bitcoin price will reach that much. 10 years is indeed a very long time but maybe the increase will only reach 50.000 USD. bitcoin does always have a miracle but rationally it is impossible.
537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do some government ban bitcoin? on: September 08, 2017, 06:24:09 AM
Point A government's sets bitcoin bann not because they know what bitcoin is and what the bitcoin is, the government is told what it is bitcoin and so on but the government keeps claiming bitcoin as a threat to banking.
Point B government claims bitcoin as a tool to launder money.
Point C government see unstable prices
Just opinion
the point is the government has a fear when it comes to applying bitcoin to life in the country. bitcoin still do the analysis because this will have long effect, for me actually bitcoin is very helpful life. but the government has other reasons as you mentioned still need time to be able to apply bitcoin.
538  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin a road to 10k. on: September 07, 2017, 08:55:21 AM
This is going to happen for sur on the midyear of 2018. Everything is going smooth even the fact that bitcoin just recently had a split event this august so I know 10k is reachable.
The year 2018 is still quite long. there are still many possibilities that can happen. I also believe that bitcoin will again increase in price in the near future and by 2018 we could see bitcoin prices are rising very high when compared to current prices. because today bitcoin continues to grow and also get a lot of positive statements, was very helpful use of bitcoin increasing and also widespread among the world community.
539  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Trading VS Bitcoin! on: September 05, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
To trade you need big amount of money to feel the profit and for mining you have to buy necessary equipment, which is not so cheap, so, you have to look at all pluses and minuses of both methods to decide what is better to you.
Overall if you want to trade, you at least have to know technical analyze

each job must have advantages and disadvantages of each. so for me the most important thing is to work in accordance with our skills and talents. because then we will get ease in doing the job. do not ever really hope to work beyond our ability, because we may miss a lot of opportunities. working with my heart and ability is my choice. each person must have their respective views.
540  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Speculating A Bad Thing? on: September 05, 2017, 12:17:19 PM
Speculation is opinion of individual person and such can be taken how you think is good for you. If you think that this or that speculation can be good for your investment and buy/sell opportunity you will use it or you wont. This is how thing are working you will accept that or you wont accept it. This is mostly what you want to hear not what it will be.
speculation is everyone's choice. the result of speculation simply can not be determined. the results can be profitable or can also be detrimental. nothing can ensure the speculation runs smoothly. so if we want to speculate then we must dare to take any risks. the risk of speculation is enormous, so with it all decisions we make can determine our future.
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