This is just getting more and more silly.

The chances of someone in the world being a brilliant enough con-man to trick Gavin AND is willing to go through all this trouble and risk to attempt it AND doesn't have a conscience is not that low.


But the chances that such a person just happened to have helped Satoshi Nakamoto create/test bitcoin, AND knows who Satoshi is (despite the fact that the whole world has been searching for Satoshi to no success)?

You're better off trying to win the lottery every single week for a year.

I think if someone decides to not investigate more into bitcoin because of a photo, then they're not worth the time.

Seriously, who cares?

How about a blurb on wtf "the bitcoinrat" is? I have never heard of such a thing.

Andreas is an incredibly smart guy. But I don't think he's right about this.

Just because all of those features are desirable to him and some other people, doesn't mean they're desirable to banks or other people.

All banks want is a secure and fast way to transfer money between each other digitally. without losing control.

I'm sorry, but you do know what a "summary" is, right?

(not saying whether OP's summary is good (enough) or not, didn't look at the links)

The problem isn't the "wisdom" part. It's the other parts. VCs don't just pick companies, give them money and watch the dough come in. They are active in helping the start up go in the right direction, connecting the start up with other influential people that will benefit them, and lots of other things.

With this DAO, you won't have any of that.

And again, in the first place, you need to have promising companies apply for DAO funding. Why would the next facebook or uber or airbnb use DAO over traditional VCs that they know they can trust? Would they really reveal all their plans to potentially tens of thousands of people or even more, just to try to get funded? I don't think so.

The quality of start-ups applying for DAO funding will almost definitely be significantly lower than the quality of start-ups a top VC can get their hands on.

You know what I think?

It's a lot more likely that this is a plot by Anti-Gavin and possibly anti-bigger blocks people than it is a plot by Gavin.

Just think about it, Gavin isn't stupid enough to think he can fool all of the other crypto experts. And why would he put his whole reputation on the line? There must've been other things he would've done.


On the other hand, if this was a plot by the anti-Gavin faction, it actually makes sense.

1. If Gavin realized the "tricks" Craig used (we're assuming Craig is a fake here), nothing would happen. No one would care. He would just be seen as a fake, no one takes any reputation hit.

2. Gavin took the bait, and now he makes a fool of himself, ruining his reputation.

See, in any scenario, the anti-Gavin faction can't lose.



(for the record I think it's just an elaborate hoax by craig, I don't think (at least I hope) there aren't malicious manipulators behind this. But the Gavin accusations are just ridiculous, in my opinion)

When did I ever say I believed in Craig's story? You're the one who lacks basic reading comprehension, lol.


Although I know you're doing it on purpose just to troll, but whatever. Trolls need to be fed too

Why would Gavin help this Dorian guy at the huge expense of his own reputation? Or at least he could've gotten Dorian to sign a message so that the keys aren't handed to anyone else, and everyone has "proof" that Craig is Satoshi. Dorian keeps his anonymity, and Gavin doesn't lose his reputation. Win-Win, right?

If you're going to insult people, at least come up with better lies.

What does Gavin get out of this?


Then again, nevermind. People don't always work under normal logic, since it's hard to see what you can get out of spreading such blatant lies either.

I read that an assistant went out and bought a new laptop. Can't remember the source.


Wait, found it: https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-hes-bitcoins-creator/

Imagine when at the end, the bitcoins this guy gives away are actually from the first few blocks (or other addresses known to be Satoshi's)!

Hehehe

I'm no crypto expert or con-man, I can't begin the imagine the types of tricks a scammer could use. But I'm sure there are plenty.

And if you want to nitpick like that, I haven't seen anyone say outright that "Craig Wright is not Satoshi". Certainly that's not what most people are saying. They're simply saying that it's highly unlikely that this guy is Satoshi, and I think that is a very reasonable conclusion based on the available evidence.

Only the smart ones who did their research and realized that the CIA will kill them and replace them with some random dude for no apparent reason.

Oh, and the ones who gave up because they couldn't levitate.

I think it takes a different kind of intelligence to be able to see through elaborate scams. You need more than just logic; you need to understand human psychology and the tricks these experts use to scam people.

So I think by far the most likely answer is that Gavin was simply tricked.


As to not having proof that this guy isn't Satoshi, the burden of proof is on him to prove that he's Satoshi, not the other way around. You have no proof that I'm not Satoshi either. Or that there isn't an invisible unicorn in my pocket.

How eventual is eventual?

I don't see it past 100M in the near future. I was kind of excited when I first read about it, but once understanding it a bit more, I'm not so sure. It's like a super crowd funded VC, but it won't have access to the groundbreaking companies that real VCs have access to, nor the expertise real VCs have.

It may end up making money, but I don't think it'll be a super success.

Tai Lopez is legit, okay? He's made millions off of scamming people with his 69 steps (or however many steps it was) and scammy dating sites that don't let you cancel and charges your credit card every month.

except by your argument, Craig Wright IS Satoshi....

But he can make obvious lies that he obviously knows will be found out in a matter of hours? Come on.

I don't know why people are assuming the worst of Gavin. Even if he's a smart guy, it isn't out of the question that he got tricked by a really smart con-man.

I think it's a lot less likely that Gavin would risk his reputation on something that obviously won't work like this.