No one is blindly trusting anyone. The buyer would NOT find anything solid even if he suspect that QS and Panthers52 is the same person. It is not possible for the buyer to establish they are the same person with reasonable diligence If it is not possible for the buyer to establish that then he should not trade with that person. Did it say in the escrow contract that he isn't the same person as another party in the trade? |
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You expect the person using the escrow to check whether the escrow and the seller is not the same person?  LOL! so you blindly trust that the escrow isn't doing that? Don't do that, you'll be sure to get scammed. Absolutely you need to be checking that the escrow isnt trying to scam you. The whole way we use escrows here is FAR from perfect and there are many ways to get scammed including this way. QS should be glad this is an anonymous forum. Else he would probably have been sued a few thousand times now.
Lol. It is not an anonymous forum nor has it ever been described as one by any of its operators. The forum collects the same amount of user information as every other forum running SMF does and Theymos provides this information to law enforcement whenever he is served with a subpoena. Additionally he claims he will provide said information without a subpoena when contacted by a law enforcement official regarding a user that is strongly suspected to be scamming and there is strong evidence to suggest that, something most other websites would never do, most websites would refuse to provide any help to the government unless they are compelled by a court to. |
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Your support escrowing for self?
No, I have not and will never use an alt account to trade with someone for a deal I am escrowing. But everyone that trades with me should assume that I am trying to do that and look out for it, just the same as if they trade with any other escrow. |
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Here is the thing, you can never know if two users here are the same user. If they stated they are different users and were found out to be the same, that would be different that would be a lie. But I have yet to see QS state that he is or is not Panthers52. He never told the buyer that they were different people. Caveat Emptor.
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The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.
I can only be myself and state my opinion. I won't silence myself just because my reputation is at stake. I don't care about my reputation so much, I know myself that I am a reputable person and I don't care what other people think. I got the rep that I have by being myself and will continue to do that. |
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You probably are unfamiliar with law.
Lol, sadly I wish that was the case. |
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I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.
Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.
I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.
Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.
For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel. It is libel.  He also labelled Da Dice a scam without any evidence. He said so multiple times across threads not just in the trust feedbacks. Here is the thing, you are allowed to hold any opinion you want in a free country. For example, I think Blue is a nice color, I think ING direct are a fraud, I think PayPal are a fraud. I also think DaDice are a fraud (yes I actually do), I think you are suspicious because it is difficult to authenticate who you are because IIRC your alt accounts have been hacked before. Those are my opinions and stating your opinion is not libel. If I said that you scammed me for 1000BTC, that might be libel, because thats a false statement of a fact. |
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I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.
Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.
I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.
Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.
For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel. |
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The way I do his is by setting up a Google Alert for my username. I then have a script then that deletes alerts that happen whenever I make a new post.
Alerts can sometimes take a few days though.
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FYI quickseller texted me from an anonymous number tonight and pretended to be a buyer, and he demanded escrow through you. I said I'd only do Localbitcoins so he then went to my new Bitcoin selling thread and posted libel saying I would manipulate LBC escrow to try and scare away my customers. So he is involving you in libel and malicious spying without your knowledge.
How do you know it was her if she texted from an anonymous number? |
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Oh yes, that would be bad if he specifically told the other person that it wasn't his alt. |
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Even more to the point, don't you think there are other forum members out there with more balanced, better tempered personalites People who don't have penchants for mockery and personal grudges? People without track records of shady behavior? Aren't the the kind of people you should be putting in your trust list? There isn't a single forum user like that. If there is then they are likely a sociopath who has learned to fake it. |
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BTW I think the topic is derailing(I have done a bit of it too), maybe discuss this in the "official" thread where tsp claims panther is an alt of QS. Take it as a request.
Indeed. It's quite transparent what's going on here. When QS ran out of way to try to defend his actions he brought in an alt. The alt got outed (ironically, he used the alt to accuse of sockpuppetry  ). Now that the alt has been outed he's using it to fling nonsense at this thread as quickly as possibly ( mods, please delete off-topic replies) in order to distract. QS, please stop flinging nonsense at this thread, leave your alt out of it. If you can't defend your actions, go ahead and admit you were wrong. It's actually an important part of being trustworthy---the ability to admit you were wrong. At this point, it's looking like your inability to defend your actions has resulted in some sort of pyschotic break! Have you seen the first several hundred posts he made? Trafficking bitcointalk accounts en masse, which purely facilitates fraud and scamming, there is no other reason people buy accounts besides trying to deceive. This whole case is actually pretty clear cut but the 'power' he attained from getting so many accounts combined with lackadaisical administration here has turned an easily fixable situation into a huge mess for the entire marketplace. I am not going to accuse panthers52 of being quickseller though, there is reasonable doubt despite the same posting times, camera, and ANACS grading fetish. I think this is distracting from the main point of what's going on. Someone who was abusing the rep system for profit from day 1 now has a network of accounts that give him too much control. There is no excuse at this point for not handling this, he needs to not only be taken off default trust, but also given negative reputation for the widespread deceit and damage. Running an escrow service while also having the ability to ruin anyone's reputation is extremely dangerous, and there is plenty of precedent for him ruining people's reputation without proof. I'm assuming he isn't in control of Theymos' account, so I am confident it will be taken care of eventually. Just need to lay out the evidence in a very clear and concise matter rather than spreading it out everywhere and letting him obfuscate it. Theymos himself told me the solution to this problem was to get Quickseller taken off default trust, and he told me the ways that can be accomplished. This is the most logical and effective way. Perhaps we can organize it as a pseudo-class action lawsuit where everyone brings their complaints to the table and we post it all at once. I don't think Quickseller has that many accounts anymore. I know that there are other people here who have orders of magnitudes more accounts than he ever did but somehow never manage to gain the level of trust Quickseller has. Even you have more than 1 account right? Maybe it has less to do with the number of accounts and more to do with the person operating them. Maybe if you act in a trustworthy way then you too may get on DefaultTrust. |
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Oh No! The honorary Blazr is an alt of the scammer Turtlehurracane  (( Kind Regards Panthers52 LOL! nah I ain't that Zachary guy. |
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stat pics
Are you an alt of me?  Looks like it |
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Maybe we should do our own "stress test" of coinwallet.eu... Just sayin'.
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Michael65 is a malicious user. He has scammed under several accounts. He finds himself at odds with the trusted member titsmoker89, who has caught him in a scam an negative trusted one of his main accounts. He hatches a plan, and painstakingly carries it out over the next several months.
First he starts by picking 10 of his sock puppets. All registered on different days at different time periods, to throw off the scent of any potential investigations.
He starts executing deals with titsmoker89, and exchanging feedback with titsmoker. Now he executes his plan by scamming or attempting to scam with these sockpuppets and subsequently his sockpuppets are all tagged for scamming.
Now titsmoker89 through no fault of his own is associated with scammers, having received many positive feedback from these scammers, which might make titsmoker89 appear to be associated with scamming, causing users to lose trust in him.
What can we do to resolve situations like this?
what if titsmoker89 is an escrow or other type of service provider?
That won't work against me because I'd be able to spot all of your alt accounts. |
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So? I'm pretty sure that a ton of people eat foods that are also causing cancer, yet nobody bats an eye. Barbecue anyone? Yes this causes cancer as well, and you get exposed to a lot more smoke that you would by sitting directly next to me while I smoke. Also, vaping has been shown to be 95% safer than cigarettes, so there is nothing wrong with that. More vape, but less damage. What is ever worse, is the amount of people that are not aware of the benefits of e-cigarettes. I hardly doubt that anyone here will read more than a single page of the report though. Even though e-cigarrettes and vaping have become extremely popular, there hasn't actually been a lot of scientific research done, the jury is still out on whether they are 'safer'. Vaporizer smoke does contain less carcinogens (cancer-causing compounds) but it still does cause human lung cells to die or stop replicating and may do damage to the immune system as it has been observed that lungs of people who vape can't fight off germs such as pneumonia so good. My opinion is that vaping is much less likely to cause you any long-term negative effects than smoking, but its more likely to cause short-term negative effects, inflammation and certain kinds of lung damage. |
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Is there any user here whom the majority of the community consider trustworthy?
I think thats the real problem with the trust system, there is a lack of trustworthy users on bitcointalk. I guess message boards aren't a good way to trade. Even anonymous marketplaces like Silk Road don't have as many scammers because of the escrow system.
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