Quickseller escrowing for himself

[Blazr]

Even more to the point, don't you think there are other forum members out there with more balanced, better tempered personalites  People who don't have penchants for mockery and personal grudges?  People without track records of shady behavior?  Aren't the the kind of people you should be putting in your trust list?

There isn't a single forum user like that. If there is then they are likely a sociopath who has learned to fake it.

[Blazr]

FYI quickseller texted me from an anonymous number tonight and pretended to be a buyer, and he demanded escrow through you. I said I'd only do Localbitcoins so he then went to my new Bitcoin selling thread and posted libel saying I would manipulate LBC escrow to try and scare away my customers. So he is involving you in libel and malicious spying without your knowledge.

How do you know it was her if she texted from an anonymous number?

[Jhanzo]

even if it was quickseller, what is wrong with wanting to use escrow from bitcointalk and no other? I, and most people in bitcointalk that wants to be safe, would probably say the same thing, too.

and cut the defamation crap. people do that all the time in the internet.

[DiscoverCebu]

even if it was quickseller, what is wrong with wanting to use escrow from bitcointalk and no other? I, and most people in bitcointalk that wants to be safe, would probably say the same thing, too.

and cut the defamation crap. people do that all the time in the internet.

Try seeing the OP first, the issue here is not choosing between LBC and bitcointalk, but QS escrowing for himself(and also probably giving positive trust to his alt) . Say QS wants to buy something from me(for ex.), then he would contact me using his alt then tell me to use QS as escrow, and that AFAIK totally beats the purpose of escrow as he can scam me any moment, and even go as far as blaming me thru his main account and alt as being a scammer.
Just an hypothesis here to make you see how serious this matter is.

[Jhanzo]

Try seeing the OP first, the issue here is not choosing between LBC and bitcointalk, but QS escrowing for himself(and also probably giving positive trust to his alt) . Say QS wants to buy something from me(for ex.), then he would contact me using his alt then tell me to use QS as escrow, and that AFAIK totally beats the purpose of escrow as he can scam me any moment, and even go as far as blaming me thru his main account and alt as being a scammer.
Just an hypothesis here to make you see how serious this matter is.

lol I've been reading this thread since the beginning.
see turtlehurricane's 2 posts above.

FYI quickseller texted me from an anonymous number tonight and pretended to be a buyer, and he demanded escrow through you. I said I'd only do Localbitcoins so he then went to my new Bitcoin selling thread and posted libel saying I would manipulate LBC escrow to try and scare away my customers. So he is involving you in libel and malicious spying without your knowledge.

replying to tomatocage.

and like one of the first posters said on this thread. there's no hard proof that Panther32 is really Quickseller.

[Blazr]

I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.

Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.

I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.

Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.

For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel.

[ndnh]

I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.

Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.

I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.

Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.

For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel.

It is libel.

He also labelled Da Dice a scam without any evidence.
He said so multiple times across threads not just in the trust feedbacks.

[Hazelnut]

Using an alt for escrow is a scam, and it deceives the other party in the trade. TC endorsing it shows how much blinded he is increasingly becoming, and the forum having him on level 1 shows how screwed up it is.

QS deceived the other trader, and stole the escrow fee.

QS also deceived Blazedout419, Mitchell and TC and got positive feedback from them. Its funny that they support him even after being fooled into thinking Panther32 is a separate person.

[Blazr]

I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.

Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.

I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.

Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.

For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel.

It is libel.

He also labelled Da Dice a scam without any evidence.
He said so multiple times across threads not just in the trust feedbacks.

Here is the thing, you are allowed to hold any opinion you want in a free country. For example, I think Blue is a nice color, I think ING direct are a fraud, I think PayPal are a fraud. I also think DaDice are a fraud (yes I actually do), I think you are suspicious because it is difficult to authenticate who you are because IIRC your alt accounts have been hacked before. Those are my opinions and stating your opinion is not libel.

If I said that you scammed me for 1000BTC, that might be libel, because thats a false statement of a fact.

[alani123]

lol...

Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.

Coming from someone like you, I find this highly ironic. Not everyone here has the chance to buy and sell highly valued items in the forum. Sure, a negative rating wouldn't be the end of the world for someone with your trust rating. However, with the way default trust is thrown at everyone's face one can't avoid being looked down upon by some people just for having a negative rating that might as well be wrong or coming from a personal conflict.

[ndnh]

Here is the thing, you are allowed to hold any opinion you want in a free country. For example, I think Blue is a nice color, I think ING direct are a fraud, I think PayPal are a fraud. I also think DaDice are a fraud (yes I actually do), I think you are suspicious because it is difficult to authenticate who you are because IIRC your alt accounts have been hacked before. Those are my opinions and stating your opinion is not libel.

If I said that you scammed me for 1000BTC, that would be libel, because that didn't happen.

You are wrong.

You probably are unfamiliar with law. DD cannot accuse dooglus or shorena for doing anything, but whatever QS did can be sued in RL as libel.

Whatever shorena or dooglus or NLNico said can be termed as their opinion. QS went far beyond that months ago. Just look at the auction thread, for instance. He hijacks just every single Da Dice related thread to make his point. DD can more than certainly accuse QS of libel. His false statements as supposed to be "trusted member of the community" is defamation.

[Blazr]

You probably are unfamiliar with law.

Lol, sadly I wish that was the case.

[ndnh]

You probably are unfamiliar with law.

Lol, sadly I wish that was the case.

Ok, then, I give up. What is it? You trust QS too much?


That said, if QS was a newbie, no one can accuse him of libel. Sadly, I wish that was the case.

Edit: The more important part in proving libel is - does/did the false statement affect (or can potentially affect) the party significantly? Yes, it did.
Then comes:
Did QS state it has an opinion? No he stated it as an obvious fact.

[Hazelnut]

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

[Jhanzo]

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

where's the proof of that, I wonder? or are you just saying that because of tsp's little assessment?
sad indeed.

can anyone make a simpler version of it? that thing is too complicated for me. not to mention that I need to download someone's entire post history.

[Blazr]

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

I can only be myself and state my opinion. I won't silence myself just because my reputation is at stake. I don't care about my reputation so much, I know myself that I am a reputable person and I don't care what other people think. I got the rep that I have by being myself and will continue to do that.

[Hazelnut]

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

where's the proof of that, I wonder? or are you just saying that because of tsp's little assessment?
sad indeed.

Its clear to anyone but a few stubborn ones that Panther32 and QS are the same person. Its so obvious its a wonder that this is even being contested.

QS deceived and cheated his customer. TC turns a blind eye saying he will support QS as long as he does something useful. The others like Blazr supporting this action makes it sad.

What does Blazedout419 and Miutchell has to say to this? Mitchell's trust to Panther32 seems to have been influenced by free shipping, which was possibly QS's way of buying trust for Panther32.

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

I can only be myself and state my opinion. I won't silence myself just because my reputation is at stake. I don't care about my reputation so much, I know myself that I am a reputable person and I don't care what other people think. I got the rep that I have by being myself and will continue to do that.

Your support escrowing for self?

[Blazr]

Here is the thing, you can never know if two users here are the same user. If they stated they are different users and were found out to be the same, that would be different that would be a lie. But I have yet to see QS state that he is or is not Panthers52. He never told the buyer that they were different people. Caveat Emptor.

[Blazr]

Your support escrowing for self?

No, I have not and will never use an alt account to trade with someone for a deal I am escrowing. But everyone that trades with me should assume that I am trying to do that and look out for it, just the same as if they trade with any other escrow.

[Hazelnut]

Here is the thing, you can never know if two users here are the same user. If they stated they are different users and were found out to be the same, that would be different that would be a lie. But I have yet to see QS state that he is or is not Panthers52. He never told the buyer that they were different people. Caveat Emptor.

You are saying that the buyer getting deceived is fine, as QS didn't say or do or mention something? Basically, you are supporting this action on a technicality but are oblivious to the morality of it?

You are willing to trust and back a person who is trying to use some loophole to deceive someone else?