Well i say this is good news for the community,  lots of people will go search the internet for information again and they will learn that bitcoin is develping very quick in a positive way , and yes its start out negative again but everybody knows that you can use ur money for the good or the bad anyways...  |
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ich hätte u.U. ein paar Jalapenos bestellt- aber habe auf Nachfrage KEINE Antwort erhalten!
Anscheinend hat die Firma keine Lust auf "kleinvieh" ...
Ich habe die Daten die ihr hier gepostet habt nicht auf die Schnelle gefunden.
Wenn jemand was verkaufen will, aber auf eine simple Frage GAR nicht antwortet (auch wenn die Frage u.U. schon irgendwo im Internet beantwortet wurde)... sowas geht gar nicht.
Ich war früher Selbständig, hätte ich mein "Business" so geführt... wäre ich ganz ganz schnell pleite gewesen...
Ich habe bis jetzt auf alle meine Fragen innerhalb 1-2 Tagen Antwort erhalten. Montag's ist generell schlecht für Fragen, da sich bei BFL übers Wochenende hunderte an E-Mails Anstauen! Und sonst....im BFL-Forum findest du fast alle Infos. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/forum.phpGruss Tinu oh yeah, und warum reagieren Inaba und Emaku, die Arbeiten bei BFL in Englisch Forum immer innerhalb von 5 Minuten, wenn ein beitrag ist uber BFL ..? es riecht wie ein Betrug |
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Very good questions They magically produce 3 different types of devices in 1 or 2 months that can magically produce a magically amount of money against a magically low price and were are a lot of proof is magically not given so far ...    |
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Well it is October and there is still no PROOF or whatever that there are ASIC..at all..  I can kind of see your side on this...there isn't any physical evidence of the device because no one on the forum is holding one in their hands. I get that. But there is PLENTY of circumstantial evidence to show otherwise. 4-5 different companies creating and marketing their devices...tons of obvious test runs shown in the network hash fluxes...BFL showing pictures of what their devices will look like on their website... Not to mention they've already sold past products that are still in use today, and they're giving you an opportunity to upgrade those products. The evidence is there...all you need to do is look  There is evidence these companies are in the process of create ASIC devices yes, but all of this evidence is based on speculation/statements. No one has seen any evidence of an actual prototype in their consumers or manufacturers hands. I think that is where the concern is coming from, since after all, how can you delivery early November if you don't even have a prototype out yet? +1 |
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you're a retard, if there were no asics, then over 10 thousand people would sue the company and get their money back
Sue what then?? if all those 10 thousand people get there hands on a asic x 50gh they screw themselfs don,t you get it?? Just let me be the retard who will say ..i told u so.. thx |
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Well it is October and there is still no PROOF or whatever that there are ASIC..at all.. The gpu,s were invented and created by a million dollar gaming industrie so thats for real, the fpga were there also before btcmining, i really hope for those pre-ordered they WILL get deliverd.. So i say non will get deliverd first.. |
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If the exchange rate is still $12.32/BTC on halving day I'll drop to $0.43/day. Presuming you are like most other GPU miners and pay a normal electric rate (e.g., $0.15 per kWh) then your electricity for the rig will likely exceed $0.43/day. But let's say it is break even. You'ld rather pay $12 to your electric company for a month of mining which yields 1 BTC versus sending $12 to an exchange and getting your 1.0 BTC that way? And if your electric bill comes in higher than the $0.43 per day, then you are paying above market rate to buy -- and you are going through the effort of managing a rig for free. If it is a hobby, then call it a hobby. But anyone mining GPUs for the purpose of profit should know right now ... in about 60 days the party is over. [Edit: Of course, there are other uses for your GPUs, but mining BTC for-profit is specifically what I'm addressing.] No - everyone was making statements like this when btc was 5.50 with lower difficulty. halving the block reward is effectively the same as halving the price of btc. People are were still mining at 5.50, and 2.50, and 0.02. Minor point, pools may need to charge higher fees. Major point, tech change - ASICs coming out, what if you're lovely BFL SC single is only netting you $120 per month (40x difficulty) - extreme example, but thats the only uncertainty in btc right now, the potential for asic mining to kill the hobbyist aspect by making gpu mining pointless, thus killing demand for btc in general. Personally, I think we'll see a 10 or 20 times increase in difficulty once asics saturate the market... which probably won't make gpu mining die entirely, if it comes with the price increase expected to go along with the halving, you might see people running gpu farms for another year or so. yes and then there will be created asic farms.. ..i don t see a problem at all for miners..big or small, the ones with the most money will still gain the most assets and shares.. but that will always be that way...but i do think allot of small miners are counting themselfs to rich thinking there pre orderd 50ghas device makes them quick money..it would today but it wouldnnot next year when deliverd....IF ever deliverd.. It s going to be an exciting next half year in miners land, block halving, ASIC delivery, total hash power due to testing ect.ect....  |
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10,5gh  (2x6990 4x5970 4x7970 6x5870 2x5850) all linux based@btcguild all gpu |
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Isn,t it something like what we have had in europe some 11 years ago when we were implementing the Euro, a lot of people were scared for that switch?? people adjust very quick to changes offcourse the geek will do faster then your grandfather but still.. ones known it will adapt..
And o yea were is the nano bitcoin??? nBTC...
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+1 for blockchain.info works great for a noob like me.. very easy to use and i like the stats they provide realtime... |
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I let my gpu,s run as long as they make btc,s  and will see what will happen, or the price or difficulty will change, but I hope in the long run the made coins will pay it self in about 3 years from now so i am thinking in a long term, maybe next year i will turn around to asic if they are for real,...and dropped in price vs needed ghase vs difficulty..i adjust to the market even when blok reward is halving. |
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Mmm klinkt wel goed, maar ik heb nog mn bedenkingen aangaande een organisatie die de standaard zet in een vrije markt... Zou zoiets als n iso norm moeten lijken zodat het wel door de grote massa opgepakt gaat worden wat weer voordelen voor diverse belanghebbende (miners, handelaren) zal opleveren maar of er hierdoor een betere btc economie door ontstaat valt nog te bezien...Prima artikel verder... |
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Posted this on our blog so that others can refer people to it - it's another "overview" of what Bitcoin is, but formatted as "The First Five Questions" everyone is bound to have. This is particularly useful for any journalists who are starting to research Bitcoin. Not super useful to pros on this forum, but please feel free to use any of it for any purpose. Copy, paste, edit, and redistribute at will. http://blog.bitinstant.com/blog/2012/9/26/bitcoin-the-first-five-questions.html+++ Very usefull info and a great help for my sceptic friends... |
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Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.
edit: If I did not already have BFL equipment on order I would not invest. This seems to me to be a very questionable time in Bitcoin mining. 1) Wel maybe ONE picture of some kind off production line would say more to me then all these words.. 2) This is so true 2 me... |
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Will there be a power adaptor splitter a bit like Enterpoint has done, so if someone has 5 or 10 SC Japalenos or Singles, then they don't have to use 5 or 10 power adaptors taking up just as many power sockets ?
Let's first see some Jalapenos and Singles in the wild, then worry about power adaptor splitters +1 |
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There are members here with 1000+ posts who are still noobs.
+1 untill u grow up...and grow a #i(k srry4that but got my 5th post of noobnesnes |
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I trust no one, not even myself ! *queue eerie music while crazy guy laughs in background *
But seriously, I couldn't agree more, trust is something hard to earn and quick to break, with horrible consequences in most cases.
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Hello, I introduce myself...as Frequency Location is in Europe not that good@ english..using translator software sometimes lol.. Mining just for fun.. i like hardware and using linux ( it,s much more stabel to me ) so im pilling up coins atm. with high_end gpu,s @ btcguild @ 8gh until asic has proven it,s value c.q. existence...(which I doubt it will this year) |
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Neem butterflylabs met hun fgpa producten die zoals ze zeggen met hun Single SC 40 GH/s voor $1,299, (gaan) verkopen. ( www.butterflylabs.com/products) zou jij indien je deze producten op grote schaal kunt maken ze niet gewoon ZELF aan het net hangen? Neen, dat zou ik niet doen. Je kan ze beter verkopen aan miners die niet weten hoeveel je er al (voor)verkocht hebt en dus bereid zijn meer te betalen dan die asics ooit zullen terugverdienen. Des te meer omdat je een paar maand later gewoon opnieuw evenveel asics kunt verkopen aan de halve prijs, en opnieuw, en opnieuw. ASICs kosten immers haast niets om te produceren (wel erg veel om te ontwikkelen). Bovendien is BFL niet de enige, er zijn niet minder dan 4 bedrijven die met asics komen dit jaar en begin volgend jaar. Difficulty gaat astronomisch hoog worden en met 40GH ga je straks wellicht minder verdienen dan met 1 GPU vandaag. Na de ontwikkelingen van afgelopen week wilde ik toch nog even terugkomen op mn verhaal over BFL,  zie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0Veel rumoer in BTC land en terecht gezien dit artikel. In dit artikel staat dat een hoge pief bij BFL in een fraude zaak van maar lieftst 25m dollar betrokken is waarvan het overgrote deel nooit is teruggevonden, hij heeft zelfs twee jaar jailtime gehad...mmm hoeveel geld aan pre-orders is al ontvangen en belangrijker WAAR IS HET BEWIJS DAT DE ASIC CHIP REEDS OP GROTE SCHAAL BESTAAT... . Op de Londen bitcoin conferencie zou een asic getoon worden, gezien het feit dat ze in oktober / november zouden gaan uitleveren aan flink wat pre-order klanten kan ik me voorstellen dat dit mogelijk had moeten zijn maar wat blijkt ze lieten een reeds bestaande opgevoerde fpga rig zien van 25ghase, tja dat wisten we al dat die er waren, nogmaals we zullen moeten afwachten tot eind v/h jaar om te zien of het inderdaad een scam is..of niet.. Verder zou ik het te gek vinden als de asic voorlopig niet worden uitgeleverd kunnen mijn gpu,s nog lekker blijven knallen en zal de difficulty niet de ruimte in schieten... p.s. Op bitcoinspot.nl staat een mooi intervieuw met een nog mooiere prijsvoorspellings grafiek..vermeld |
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Hallo BTC miners, Ik ben me nu al enige tijd aan het verdiepen in het minen van BTC en zit met het volgende; Ervan uitgaande dat je mined om geld te verdienen; Neem butterflylabs met hun fgpa producten die zoals ze zeggen met hun Single SC 40 GH/s voor $1,299, (gaan) verkopen. ( www.butterflylabs.com/products) zou jij indien je deze producten op grote schaal kunt maken ze niet gewoon ZELF aan het net hangen? Dan zijn ze binnen no time toch zeg maar binnen...? .ik snap dit dus niet aan dit verhaal...wie o wie legt mij uit dat als je "een goud mijn bezit je de pikhouwelen verkoopt aan zeg maar miners om vervolgens jouw eigen mijn leeg te halen met bijna geen elctr. kosten en warmte afvoer.. enz die bij het gpu minen komen kijken" ..zelf aan het net hangen zal toch veel meer opleveren dan de verkoop van de equipment of zie ik het nou helemaal verkeerd.. Ik hoor graag hoe jullie dit zien..dan wil ik wel 40ghash voor 1000euro proberen...het ruikt naar een scam..maja vandaar deze vraag aan jullie .. |
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