OP there is a low probability that the price will stay at or below $12.80 for very long. If the price goes up the time it takes to pay off the cost of BFL hardware will go down.
What is there to drive the price up? At the moment it feels like we have been fluctuating at ~ 11.6usd/btc for awhile now... You forget that there is 1.5 Quadrillion Dollars floating around the planet in different forms. Not much needs to go into bitcoin to push the price up to $15, $20, $50, $100. DO the math. yep.. and we could use some trendsetter kind of famus company to adopt BTC and take it to another level so that more retailers and online webshops will adopt/accept BTC ( or some colombians tired moving cases of cash across boarder) and after halving day less BTC will be pumpt in the economie and if the demand get bigger that also could make some price rise..we will see..i think the price will stay around 11,- untill some big changes in BTC accured like halving day and the yes or no of ASIC release..  |
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Again why not just 1 pic whith both boards on it, why again the seperate pictures???
Because it's all a SCAM! Scam, scamity scam! Don't ever buy ASICs, run away and don't get scammed! Disclaimer: I'm just saying that because I don't want competitionDo you believe that ASICs and BFL are scam and you got in your signature publicity to win a BFL product?, I think BFL don't likes you as publicist. Be consistent, dude. If you believe they are scam don't sell your beliefs by a BFL Single and change your signature, then you can troll this threath freely. Regards trade some BTC for some glasses..look@his small letters@his post....lol    |
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Seriously.. some people need to shut the fack and grow the fack up. All I'm hearing/seeing is this:
People Type A complains how there are no information about BFL or how they're not transparent enough with their business practices.
BFL releases information on 3D CAD designs for upcoming ASIC protoypes. -> People Type A retorts back saying those are just computer generated images and BFL is a SCAM.
BFL releases information on ASIC production machines -> People Type A retorts back how those can be ovens or machines to make other stuff (conspiracy theories).. and BFL is a SCAM
BFL releases information on ACTUAL real-life ASIC prototype boards as of their most recent news. -> People Type A still continues to bitch about it and says BFL is a SCAM
I swear by the time BFL actually SHIPS the products out, people will still continue to find a way to bitch. I'm not saying BFL isn't a scam but neither am I saying it is.. all I'm saying is I'm growing weary everytime I read complaints about BFL this and that. Besides, for those who didn't pre-order their Jallies or Singles.. WHY ARE YOU BITCHING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU NEVER INVESTED IN? I placed a pre-order in the start but decided to pull out.. BFL refunded me promptly. That was my decision based on my own due-diligence. If you didn't place a pre-order, you shouldn't be bitching about anything IMO. Yes, it's just my IMO and my words can't hurt you.
Geez people.. SERIOUSLY! >=/
i think u are the free SC device winner of the week....we will send it to you some were in december 201? But you are right we (i) are bitching to much about it...Cheerzzz |
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Are you all BLIND??? take a look of 5min comparing the two pics, it is the same board 1on1, only the jally board is less mounted en turned 90degree look at it it is the same board man...it is fake as hel, the jally is the one with a day less work on it even the big chip has the same spot triangel on it...
You moron. The triangle is the "A" in Atmel. They are using an Atmel microcontroller, for crying out loud. Edit: Sorry if this was supposed to be satrical. Again why not just 1 pic whith both boards on it, why again the seperate pictures??? But i hope they send the 1000btc to charity any way...they made another promise on theire website.. Keep on promissing ..i do don,t believe them untill ASIC hanging on a cgminer orso doing 60Gh @ 60watts... |
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i have heard many people saying that Butterfly Lab and the other manufactures who make ASIC's is a SCAM
and this could be true because there is no proof than even ASIC exist and no one has even has a picture of a ASIC
what you you all say about ASIC's?
First open your directory to learn the definition of ASIC. Then continue reading those threads about BFL. Hint : If I had purchased a BFL ASIC I would be tempted to discourage others to do the same and if I had not I would be jealous and would not be willing to accept the truth.what truth.  .explane please.. i only need some facts .. If you check the two picture you can easely see that the seposed jally board is excactly the board in the SC pic 90degree turned and fixed with some les parts mounted on the board just look at them for 5min compare and you see that i am right thats a fact it,s the same board only a day less worked on...they really suck ..... I think I see a difference on the side where the usb connectors are, minirig-board has a barrel type connector and a usb one, where the jalapeno prototype board has a (mini)-usb plus a usb one? no way it easely bin made that way i m not here to troll BFL but this is again no evidence and it IS the same board even the letters are sandpapered off.. but just keep giving your money to this pithole ..... |
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Are you all BLIND??? take a look of 5min comparing the two pics, it is the same board 1on1, only the jally board is less mounted en turned 90degree look at it it is the same board man...it is fake as hel, the jally is the one with a day less work on it even the big chip has the same spot triangel on it...
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i have heard many people saying that Butterfly Lab and the other manufactures who make ASIC's is a SCAM
and this could be true because there is no proof than even ASIC exist and no one has even has a picture of a ASIC
what you you all say about ASIC's?
First open your directory to learn the definition of ASIC. Then continue reading those threads about BFL. Hint : If I had purchased a BFL ASIC I would be tempted to discourage others to do the same and if I had not I would be jealous and would not be willing to accept the truth.what truth. .explane please.. i only need some facts .. If you check the two picture you can easely see that the seposed jally board is excactly the board in the SC pic 90degree turned and fixed with some les parts mounted on the board just look at them for 5min compare and you see that i am right thats a fact it,s the same board only a day less worked on...they really suck ..... |
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Selling a product, that will make you 10x the profit in 2 weeks, is a scam imho.
Compare google selling you their adwords licensing for $100,000 dollars a day royalties, but its making $500,000 a day profit.
Its bullshit.
so, gpus were a scam when everyone was mining with cpus? \ come on gpu comes from an million dollar gaming industrie that are facts ...not air, another fact is this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0Lets all just mine on ,..in 6 weeks a lot wil be cleared out...Cheers 6 week's is a long time if they turn out to be true everyone who did not preorder is losing the chance of mining with big hasrate at a low difficulty. and if they turn out to be a scam everyone who did preorder ASIC will be in LOSS. i can wait and take some lose, but if it,s for real i jump the fuck in to maybe a little later there are years ahead of mining it is not a short distance race, and IF they deliver as promised u will get some advantage for taking the risk of an pre order but don,t count on it its freaking end of oktober still no signs.. nothing ...but i really hoop they don,t scam on my fello miners i really do ... |
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If you really have to, place the orders on different vendors.
It's not a great idea to depend on a single one.
on the other hand if you have to solve for example a malfunctioning piece of hardware, it's much easier to work with one supplier then all of them. Or if there is an ASIC 2nd generation, then BFL will refund the 1st gen and send you 2nd gen for reasonable price. At least that's what they are saying. I'm a realist, but I have high hopes for ASIC mining, so in this case I think that I'm an optimist... well they do give lifetime garanties, mmm what if they are outrunned or run in lets say 2 or 3 years?? how the fuck can they make such promise in a speculative market as BTC is...this al sounds to damn wrong,..i don need an 140+ IQ to figger this out. .  |
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Selling a product, that will make you 10x the profit in 2 weeks, is a scam imho.
Compare google selling you their adwords licensing for $100,000 dollars a day royalties, but its making $500,000 a day profit.
Its bullshit.
so, gpus were a scam when everyone was mining with cpus? \ come on gpu comes from an million dollar gaming industrie that are facts ...not air, another fact is this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0Lets all just mine on ,..in 6 weeks a lot wil be cleared out...Cheers |
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Joke of the week BLF's own words.. "if needed, weekends and 24 hour shifts can keep the production line moving to satisfy quick delivery of customer orders. To this end we've purchased an entire SMT assembly suite and hired a capable team to run it. These units are currently being installed in our new facility."
"BFL_Office - 10-05-2012, 09:47 AM
The setup has a conservative capacity of 300 units per 8 hour shift or 900 units in a 24 hour day." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content.php/120-BFL-Invests-in-Assembly-EquipmentThis is really a joke...this smells really like an set you up with some cheap ass pics... no proof again To simpel questions you still get maybe,s and don,t worries, wtf i have heard many people saying that Butterfly Lab and the other manufactures who make ASIC's is a SCAM
and this could be true because there is no proof than even ASIC exist and no one has even has a picture of a ASIC
what you you all say about ASIC's?
well it is end of oktober thats a fact, in 5 weeks its halving day thats is a fact to, then a week later ASIC would be out (Dec. Avalon, BFL ect.) this is a fairytale.. .just believe whatever u want.. a SCAM no..but a very bad customer service promising to much crap hell YES...  But if it is a scam i,d be happy not pre-orderd any device untill they ar out there it,s all AIR to me....  |
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Firecrackers..  C@ke Livestream |
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Very good questions They magically produce 3 different types of devices in 1 or 2 months that can magically produce a magically amount of money against a magically low price and were are a lot of proof is magically not given so far ... You are reading too much JK Rowling. Nope...Tolkien ""Lord of the ASIC tales"" |
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Very nice vid, .. |
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but that's not going to happen and we both know it  Scenario which is more probable is that you will actually make a lot of money on those ASICs, whatever is said in this thread... I really doubt it and i have zero hopes on something like that to happen... But sure, with Avalon out till at least the first of February ad BFL that will run away with the money leaving their employes trying to figure out how to buy ASIC chips on ebay... Well, that might a profitable mining period! In 5 weeks halving day is a fact, then it,s up to BFL and Avalon,s testbatch etc. to deliver ASIC a week later orso??..mmm i don,t know if that is a fact to.. but it,s going to be a very very intresting end of the year in BTCminingland... |
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I'm thinking of buying an ASIC single. I'd probably do so today if I could find a use for the unit outside of mining for bitcoin, however, BFL's website seems to suggest that these things will never run opencl.
Just BTW, I'm more interested in getting a function like parcellfun to run faster than in cracking passwords.
So, if you know of any asic's that are developing for opencl, I'm all ears.
Otherwise, it just seems like too much risk at the moment.
you are late.. you know that.. so i say just wait untill they are out there in the wild and not just in an nice marketing concept or you WILL lose money u cannot afford.. |
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A roi of 1 year with a difficulty x15 of what it's right now, and the hope of receiving my hardware soon.
These 2 alone are not enough, what made me really change idea is that I really think the bitcoin economy to grow of several orders of magnitude in the future. I will mine to keep, not mine to sell.
It's a bet.
I have the same feeling. However I also want to use some of the coins I mine, because the economy won't grow if everyone will only hoard coins... I think as long as there is SR and BMR markets out there BTC will survive for the good or the bad..there are a lot more srry to say so addicts who must find out about BTC still out there... I also think that own a GPU@800Mh now will be the same as own a SC@60Gh in 6 months (IF ASIC,s are 4real) so not that mutch will change except that the network security will be better off also 2many preorderd people counted themself to rich i think, BFL and other comp. took adventage of that...we will see |
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I don't even think they know what they are going to do with them yet.
they could turn them in to fpga mini rig thats doing 25gh but sell them not for 15k but for lower price... Just guessing...maybe they will get hundreds returnd just hang them on a pool some were ... At their power ratings vs speed, the power will cost more than they'd make after just a couple months of people using ASICs. true .. but still a couple months making BTC i also think own 1 gpu@400mh now.. will become the same as own 1 SC@60gh in half a year IF ASIC are for real, only positive is the network security nothing else will change nothing... |
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i just can get it why.. al the effort, it looks very COOL.. or combining two hobbies in one |
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