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221  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-05-10]Interest-Paying Accounts in Bitcoin - is Japanese Exchange a Pionee on: May 12, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
Interest rates mainly exist to counter inflation.  In a currency which isn't inflationary until adoption slows down and the block reward is still higher than the amount of lost coins (unlikely to happen for a long time) there's no point in interest-paying systems.

It also just acts as an incentive for people to store excessive amounts of Bitcoin in centralised services.

Obviously the banks are too clever - they can't ban Bitcoin, so what do they do?  Just pay people interest for holding Bitcoin with them instead of actually owning it, operating a credit system, preventing illegal transactions from their "accounts" and boom, the only difference to fiat money from their perspective is the limited supply.  
222  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Why cant I Sign Message in Coinbase on: May 12, 2017, 05:01:43 PM
Because you don't own your private keys and you don't own your coins.  You also can't sign a message in any other online wallet as far as I know.  Your best bet is to go with a software wallet or a TREZOR instead.
223  Economy / Speculation / Re: [April iamnotback] Bitcoin will be $800 in one month! on: May 12, 2017, 03:27:58 PM

The key here is to realize that there is no substitute for individual critical thinking. Relying on others to think for you or blindly accepting their instructions is a recipe for poverty.

The key here is to realise that everyone is stupid, including you.  If you can't trust anyone else at all to be right no matter what their experience is, you should never trust yourself either.
224  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Failure of the system on: May 12, 2017, 03:06:38 PM
mistake number 1. using blockchain.info
Blockchain is a crap wallet, but you can pay whatever fee you like.  It doesn't affect the fees being insanely high.

Quote from: BTCLovingDude
mistake number 2. from your first post from your history you obviously knew about http://bitcoinfees.21.co/ but yet you chose to pay less fee (less than half the suggestion), full aware that it can take a long time to confirm.
Even with just one input, the transaction fee for anything under several hundred dollars worth of Bitcoin is more than Visa and other payment systems.  As it says in the whitepaper:

Quote from: satoshi
The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the
minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions

If the cost of transaction fees, which frankly doesn't need to be any more than 0-20 satoshi per byte for many years, is dramatically higher than conventional payment systems, there's no incentive for people who are less aware of the banking system's evils to get involved in Bitcoin.

Quote from: BTCLovingDude
when stuff like this happens, I can only imagine most regular people start to lose faith in it (unlike many fanboys here).

then that is a good news for us fanboys here. Cool
regular people leaving > less transaction spam from them > lower fees for the fanboys > hooray.
The number of regular people will regulate itself.  The fees are too high due to a mix of spam and excessive people, so every time people leave the fees will get lower and more people will join again.
225  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blocksize increase vs. difficulty decrease on: May 12, 2017, 06:47:51 AM
In the ongoing scaling debate, I wonder why is the discussion focused solely on the block size.

To my understanding, decreasing the difficulty, either statically or dynamically, has the same effect, of increasing the transaction-confirmation rate.
I don't know if such a thing can be done with a soft work, but for those advocating a hard fork, why not a fork that decreases difficulty?

Can anyone enlighten me?



Bitcoin Transaction Capacity could have been increased by a larger block size or a faster blockspeed.
Either would work.


BTC Core is blocking all improvements for 1 reason to push shitwit, and use LN to make BTC into an Offchain Fractional Reserve banking system.
Increasing transaction capacity would allow people to keep their transactions onchain, keeping the transaction capacity pathetic like it is now forces people to use their offchain fractional reserve bullshit. In Short BTC Core makes money by selling BTC out forever to the banking cartels.



 Cool



So let's, for the sake of argument, assume Core has those malicious motives, and take them out of the picture.
Why is anyone else not proposing solutions based on faster blockspeed? Why don't we have a "BU" with a faster blockspeed, rather than larger block size?

because would lead to more orhpan, there is a reason if the block time on average is 10 min, actuallyi t's better to say 2016 every two weeks

and what you are proposing it's not feasible, it's based on mienr decision, and the mining is done in a way that the more hash you have and the better which eman more diff

this is done to make the network stronger to some various attacks, having the diff low mean less hash, which mean more insecure network
A reduced difficulty reduces the security, but if BTC's value decreases due to scaling issues, the network's vulnerability increases as well, as hash power will be lost to other cryptos.
I think you're missing the point here.  You're arguing in favour of a decrease in difficulty as opposed to an increase in block size, but when it's now been made clear that it's many times more difficult and more damaging to do that, you're now pointing out what would happen if no scaling was done at all, which is irrelevant.

226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: time to admit its not "spam" , blocks are full on: May 11, 2017, 06:07:11 PM
Actually a different point for people to consider:  it's completely irrelevant.

Whether blocks are full or just packed with spam transactions doesn't matter because the effect on users is the same - it results in fees rising and some transactions failing to confirm because the network can't handle all of them.  As much as we'd like to think people can't keep up spam forever, the reality is that they can and, with a different face, it might happen forever.
227  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-05-11]Chinese Bitcoin Exchanges Might Resume Withdrawals Next Month After on: May 11, 2017, 05:36:10 PM
Chinese citizens has moved past exchanges, when they started person2person trades on the streets.   Wink The Chinese government has seen that

this is much more complex that the previous centralized currencies they have shut down. The other thing is, Japanese people embraced Bitcoin

and this will grant them massive advantages over other nations. { tax income & tourism income }  Grin

P2P trading has been booming in China after the PBOC forced through all kinds of ridiculous policies. Good thing here is that it will take a large number of coins off the exchanges, and thus will contribute towards a higher exchange price due to the lower overall availability of on exchange coins. Bitcoin is simply unstoppable. For that reason it makes no sense for China to walk such a wrong path. Japan is a great example of how things can be.
Satoshi pointed out that it's easy for governments to shut down centralised networks like Napster, while peer-to-peer systems like Tor and Gnutella tend to stay online.  He's got a point.

The difference is that in order to influence centralised systems a government just has to say "do this or we'll ban you".

To influence decentralised systems, a government has to say "you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you..." and they can't get a majority to agree with changes that are bad when they can't force such a huge amount of people.
228  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Which Hardware Wallet is The Best? 2017 on: May 11, 2017, 04:39:33 PM
Does this ledger or nano wallet has a mobile version? Because i really am always on the go and currently my bitcoins were saved on a exchanger site which is really not good in ny opinion.
Ledgers, TREZORs etc tend to be compatible with phones as long as your phone has USB on the go.  You'd just need to take your TREZOR/Ledger and a USB cable when you intend to go out and spend.  They're pretty small so it shouldn't be a problem.
229  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Which is better: Trading Forex, Stock, Metal or Crypto? on: May 11, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Well, it's mostly experience and a little bit about risk/reward ratios.

If you're good at trading, the rewards will be highest for the Forex and cryptocurrency markets.  Cryptocurrency markets will also have higher potential rewards than Forex as the fluctuations tend to be more wild.  However, crytocurrencies' fluctuations are extremely hard to predict and the art of technical analysis isn't usually accurate but it has to be used when most of the coins you're trading have never been used in a store in their lives.

If you want steady income, precious metals and stocks are probably the best, but often inflation and risks outweigh the actual reward with stocks so you have to be wary about what you choose and make sure not to hold all of your money in fiat at once.
230  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about RunCPA on: May 11, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
Doesn't look like something that an ordinary user who has only earned ~0.2 Bitcoin in five months would just casually write.  Still, it does look like a pretty reasonable affiliate network.  

I would say that actually just directly doing work is nearly always better than these things unless you're a real professional.  It's just like doing PTC services which earn you nearly nothing except you get some other people to do the clicking for you.

How much do you usually earn from a click?
231  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit + Variable and Adaptive (but highly conservative) Blocksize Proposal on: May 11, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Well one of the key arguments against an increasing blocksize is that it can cause centralisation of nodes.  However, the amount of data it takes to run a node should be measured relative to how much data people are willing to use or how much data people often have on their devices.  

A proposal with a varied blocksize which is limited properly, like this one, probably won't actually cause a decrease in node users, simply because the speed at which people's hard drive sizes typically increase is likely to match or exceed the speed at which the blockchain grows.

Therefore, this is a good short term solution, before when Moore's law stops being possible to apply - when it does, there will be more than enough space in the blocks for LN to be implemented and for the majority of Bitcoin users to use it, with onchain transactions for sending more Bitcoin and private channels being often used as well.
232  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 10, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
flash crash activated?
Yeah, crash of like $5.  Kwukduck's dream has basically come true  Wink.

Quote from: podyx
Remember when going up $50 in one day was special?
Bitcoin's growth is cumulative from our point of view.  Naturally we look at it as a percentage rather than an amount, so going up $50 in one day is only special if that's a particularly high amount of the total, which it's not.

233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buggy Unlimited crashes, AGAIN!! Price rallies. on: May 09, 2017, 03:58:29 PM

Note to franky - SegWit is a backwards compatible protocol upgrade.



Do you even know what that means?  

Yes.

For the ordinary user, SegWit is backwards compatible.  It needs a majority of the hashrate to avoid a chain split, but by default it doesn't cause one (as I understand it).  Therefore it would be an upgrade of Bitcoin with a consensus, and if in the future there was a split that separates from consensus that was agreed before, that one would be the "new coin" to put it that way.

Feel free to correct me on that but I'm pretty sure that I can call it backwards compatible.
234  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: running faucets a 2-3 in an hour on: May 09, 2017, 02:31:35 PM
I've tried it.  If you're lucky, you'll get a couple of dollars worth of Bitcoin per day.

Unless you're in poverty and all you have is your computer it's really, really not worth it.  Just don't do it unless you like the idea that you're doing something when you're basically being lazy.
235  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin UP = Altcoin DOWN on: May 09, 2017, 01:37:42 PM
The trends aren't exactly like that and aren't predictable, but alts are definitely traded in relation to Bitcoin - so a drop in alts can mean a flow into Bitcoin, and a drop in Bitcoin can mean a flow into alts, but there could be any number of other reasons which go against these tendencies.

This isn't guaranteed, but often an overall altcoin pump like now will look like this (chronologically):
-Rise in alts
-Drop in Bitcoin, making some more newbies flow into alts
-Rise and alts and Bitcoin together
-Eventually, drop in alts and continued rise in Bitcoin
236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buggy Unlimited crashes, AGAIN!! Price rallies. on: May 09, 2017, 01:20:40 PM
All this money (billions) could be on segwit if we weren't on this stalemate situation.

atleast you are admitting subtly segwit is an altcoin instead of your old rhetoric that segwit is bitcoin and anything else running on bitcoin is the altcoin. one step in the right direction.

as for the social drama of bu vs core.
funnily core has a speak no evil about their own bugs for 30 days after fix is released, but REKT anything not core as soon as issue is found.
very professional and independent (sarcasm)

read all the core devs saying how release info on exploits within 30 days of fix is bad.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10364

kinda hypocritical

It's funny how you always find a way to ignore reality and assemble your arguments in a way that makes you think you are correct. "Oh he said segwit instead of BTC, lol he admited it's an alt!!"

It's time to adjust reality with facts: Coin adopting Segwit = price up. BUcoin crashing = price up.
The price was up anyway, it's irrelevant whether or not the number of BU nodes went down.  The BU nodes are only a tiny percentage of the total nodes anyway because Core is the reference client.  It really is pointless to pick out a correlation and argue that it means something.  A meaningful correlation would be something like:  "Known Bitcoin users' average lifespan is decreasing and the amount of lost coins is rising".

Note to franky - SegWit is a backwards compatible protocol upgrade.  It's impossible for it to be an altcoin.  Hard forks, however, are not backwards compatible.  Equally, people who owned Bitcoin in 2014 automatically owned CLAM as well, doesn't make CLAM Bitcoin.

237  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: For New Investors - The 3 Percent Bitcoin Rule on: May 09, 2017, 01:09:22 PM

Can you provide any rationale for the 3%? Or is the number just taken out of nowhere?

Why not 1%, 5%, 10% or even 20%?

And I must be missing a point, how would the rule prevent the Dallas bitcoinaire from selling 97% of his stash at ridiculously low price? He would still feel regret, not to mention that (according to the rule) he vouched to hold the remaining 3% forever, so won't be ever taking any advantage of the price rise, unless he decides not to follow the rule.

For this specific example, the "sell half each time the price doubles" (or variation of it) seems way more appropriate.
While that specific percentage is meaningless, it is repeatable.

For example, you have 1000 Bitcoin and the price is $1.  You sell 970 of it, and five years later the price is $1000.  You sell 29.1 of it, and five years later the price is a million (much less likely  Wink).

No real reason to only hold 3% though.  With any stock I would only sell a small part at a time.
238  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin works as intended, price confirms on: May 09, 2017, 11:13:45 AM
Well it doesn't work as intended, because it was intended to be a currency and is now impractical for everyday transactions until SegWit/LN are implemented.  SegWit doesn't affect the stability of the Bitcoin network, it's just a way of making Bitcoin transactions easier to send which is even good for bigger investors.

it DOES work as intended, and the increasing volume in transactions, increased number of merchants, increase in the amount of money that payment processors for merchants such as BitPay are processing each month (which is millions of dollars) is supporting this.

the fact that there is a spam attack and during that period of attack people still pay low fees such as 20 satoshi per bytes and then get a late confirmation doesn't mean "bitcoin as a currency is impractical"

at the same time price rising, and all these things that are said doesn't mean we don't need some solution for scaling.
No, it doesn't work as intended.  The average transactions per block have been steadily increasing since the beginning.  The miners' revenues have also been rising and there's absolutely no reason why people should be paying anything other than tiny transaction fees with the mining revenues as they are.  And by "tiny transaction fees" I mean <20 satoshi per byte.  Transaction fees are meaningless and they only make up 10% or so of mining revenues anyway - they should only matter for priority transactions until the block reward is so small relative to the price that transaction fees are 100% necessary to secure the network.

Bitcoin objectively needs scaling.  It's not just a case of paying higher fees because that means that these pointless fees will be a competition to get into a block and many people never get their transactions confirmed at all.

i am disagreeing with you on things you just mentioned here. i agree that at this point with $21000+ block reward we shouldn't be paying high fees.

i am disagreeing with you on saying "bitcoin is not working as intended". bitcoin was intended to be used as a decentralized digital cash and it is still doing that. the intention was never about the amount of fees we are supposed to pay.
I see your point here.  Maybe I was hyperbolic, but here's something that the whitepaper says:

Quote from: satoshi
The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the
minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions

He's right, but mediation only results in higher transaction costs if the alternative can handle the transactions at all.  A decentralised peer-to-peer cash (which I admit is working in the most basic sense, as you pointed out) is seldom appealing if it seems like principle over practicality.  Whether people like it or not, any altcoin could provide these scaled solutions from the start (admittedly none have done it very well yet bar litecoin), so Bitcoin's immutability should only apply when it's something worth keeping.

Quote
fees being higher, blocks being full, mempool being spammed to death
Note:  Mempool spam are still transactions.  Sometimes they will be inevitable which is why it's important to have a system that works (d5000 knows what he's talking about when referring to a combination of extension chains and LN), instead of just having transaction capacity in the most basic sense.
239  Economy / Exchanges / Re: POLONIEX - NO WITHDRAWALS, TAKE CARE on: May 09, 2017, 11:01:02 AM
They have just Approved my litecoin withdrawal after I harassed the mods and told them to escalate my ticket.

Now it's too late to sell the litecoins as the price already reached rock bottom.

Basically lost me a good 30% of all my money.

Nice going Poloniex, nice fucking going. Never using this exchange again.


@Wiid, chill, they will approve it. Don't worry. Apparently they're not exit scamming after all.
Yeah, they're busy being extremely questionable.  They might just be processing withdrawals for small amounts to keep up customer satisfaction and stalling with bigger amounts as much as possible.  They definitely have a big problem anyway, so I'm fleeing to Bittrex.  How much did you withdraw?
240  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin works as intended, price confirms on: May 09, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Well it doesn't work as intended, because it was intended to be a currency and is now impractical for everyday transactions until SegWit/LN are implemented.  SegWit doesn't affect the stability of the Bitcoin network, it's just a way of making Bitcoin transactions easier to send which is even good for bigger investors.

it DOES work as intended, and the increasing volume in transactions, increased number of merchants, increase in the amount of money that payment processors for merchants such as BitPay are processing each month (which is millions of dollars) is supporting this.

the fact that there is a spam attack and during that period of attack people still pay low fees such as 20 satoshi per bytes and then get a late confirmation doesn't mean "bitcoin as a currency is impractical"

at the same time price rising, and all these things that are said doesn't mean we don't need some solution for scaling.
No, it doesn't work as intended.  The average transactions per block have been steadily increasing since the beginning.  The miners' revenues have also been rising and there's absolutely no reason why people should be paying anything other than tiny transaction fees with the mining revenues as they are.  And by "tiny transaction fees" I mean <20 satoshi per byte.  Transaction fees are meaningless and they only make up 10% or so of mining revenues anyway - they should only matter for priority transactions until the block reward is so small relative to the price that transaction fees are 100% necessary to secure the network.

Bitcoin objectively needs scaling.  It's not just a case of paying higher fees because that means that these pointless fees will be a competition to get into a block and many people never get their transactions confirmed at all.

The solution is SegWit + LN.  That's the only way which results in infinite scaling instead of just handling an increase in transaction volume until it gets too big and ordinary people can't use nodes.
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