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221  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitfloor ceases operation reasons rumor/speculation on: April 18, 2013, 07:16:22 AM
My guess is that they can't comply with FinCEN rulings.

If it's the case, it's just one more example of how regulations kill businesses, and creates market concentration.
222  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as Zimbabwe's official currency + Prince of Sealand interest in bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 03:05:43 PM
I understand your argument and i know many on this forum share it. I'm not saying i'm right and your wrong. Hell, people have been battling about this for a long time and still there is no consensus. The problem i see with your argument is that when you give the farmer less BTC every month because it is worth more he won't be able to pay back any loans he has. You could solve it by making the loan less BTC every year but then why would anybody lend it if you win more by just holding.

Loans in BTC particularly are not feasible due to its extreme volatility.
But if a currency is used by an entire nation, its price won't fluctuate that much. A stable currency would increase in value proportionally to the economic growth of its user base. Loans would then be a possibility, likely with low interest rates. Like they were during the gold standard (during the second half of the XIX century in the US, for instance, prices would systematically fall)

To be honest i don't see a problem with an inflationary currency. In my point of view, i see currency as one thing and a store of value as another. I think of currency like a hot potato which you want to hold for as little as possible. It's just something that makes trading easier but doesn't have any value by itself. Also when a currency loses purchasing power, the wages become bigger so there is balance. So when a worker gets his paycheck, he buys food, pays his rent etc and the part that he wants to save he invests in gold, silver, real estate, BTC etc.

You're ignoring that inflation is not neutral. Those who receive the money first profit from those who receive it last, by being able to buy things before prices account for the new money. When the last people in the chain receive the new money, it'll be already too late. So, at least (when we're talking about 'simple inflation'), it is a nefarious wealth transfer mechanism. It's the most disguised of all taxes, and tend to hit harder on the most ignorant and/or poor.
And that's not all. Inflation nowadays is not simple. It's always directed to the credit market, creating signals to investors that there's lots of resources to invest in long term projects, Obviously creating money doesn't create resources, so this false signal will trigger a malinvestment boom which will result in a burst. These boom and burst cycles result in lots of lost capital. You can read more here:  https://mises.org/daily/672

Nobody is forcing anybody to hold a currency, i don't see why somebody would like to hold it and complain that it loses value.

You're forced to hold at least some because you're forced to pay your taxes in fiat. The network effect of the banking system will also ensure you hold much more than what you strictly need only for taxation.
Let's hope Bitcoin makes it easier to live without fiat one day. Wink
223  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as Zimbabwe's official currency + Prince of Sealand interest in bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
Brushan, if you analyse your argument a little deeper basically what you're saying is that the purchasing power of everybody else should be kept weaker than what it can be just to help exporters.

That's wrong both ethically and economically.
No, you should not decrease the purchasing power of an entire society in order to temporarily help a segment of it. When your money earns value, you earn more purchasing power and you become richer. So if the money of an entire country is getting more valuable, everybody in this country is getting richer!

And this effect over exporters is much less worse than what people make it look like. With his stronger money, the exporter farmer of your example will have more purchasing power to acquire more tools/machinery and be more productive, for example. Also, since the value of money increased, people can receive nominally smaller wages - which could be actually higher in purchasing power.
224  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What's the point of the 32 bit nonce? on: April 17, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
There are other things you can change to attempt other hashes.
The timestamp, for example, is quite flexible.
And the coinbase is controlled by the generator. There's this extraNounce field people are putting there.
225  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as Zimbabwe's official currency + Prince of Sealand interest in bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 08:34:43 AM
I still dont know how people living there can use bitcoin to purchase food? Bitcoin Credit card?

I don't think they can, as of today.

If this was for real - I don't think it is - then eventually the means would show up. Physical representations of BTC could be used, although they should be discouraged due to counterpart or counterfeit risks.
Something like Coinapult SMS wallet could work well too. SMS payments thrive in Kenya, I've heard.
Of all nations on Earth, I doubt there's anyone more used with price instability than Zimbabwe. So that shouldn't be as big a problem to them as it would be to others, even because with BTC prices would be mostly falling, making them richer, not the opposite they're are used to.

tl;dr: It would be great for them to do it.

I just don't believe it's going to happen.
226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as Zimbabwe's official currency + Prince of Sealand interest in bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 08:15:47 AM
Zimbabwe is not that small. Its M1 is $12G according to the CIA. That's much more than Bitcoin's monetary base has ever been, even during its all time high. I have a hard time believing this.

The Sealand story is more credible though, as that's a really tiny sovereign country (smallest on Earth?) and its prince seems to be tech-savvy. (they attempted to make Sealand a data haven, for ex.). But still, I wouldn't hold my breath. Let's see.
227  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-16 Bloomberg - Bitcoin Dreams Endure to Savers Crushed by CPI: Argentina on: April 17, 2013, 07:07:20 AM
By rea" I mean the actual price, fruit of supply and demand, not an artificial price invented by a government, with no link to reality.

Difficulty to obtain something is a factor naturally embedded in the price of this something. I didn't really understand your point. What do you mean by "international"?
228  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-16 Bloomberg - Bitcoin Dreams Endure to Savers Crushed by CPI: Argentina on: April 17, 2013, 06:32:42 AM
I've already seen tourists selling bitcoins here for a 50% premium (in pesos) over international bitcoin prices. The bitcoin here tracks the black market dollar rate, so it sells for a huge markup over what should be the price in pesos.

Wait. The "black market dollar rate" is the real price of the dollar. You should not compare with the official dollar price, because that price is totally bogus. You should use the black market dollar price as comparison. What's the BTC premium when you consider the black market dollar for the comparison?
229  Economy / Economics / Re: Convince a Micronation to Use Bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 06:24:41 AM

I wonder today if that's a good thing.
Of course, kudos to Sealand's prince for even thinking about it.
But, I mean, would it be good for bitcoiners? If Bitcoin becomes the official currency of a country, wouldn't legislation about buying/selling/holding it automatically become harsher in most other countries?
Just as an example, wouldn't Argentina's capital controls automatically apply, making TradeHill plans impossible to start?
I'd like to be wrong on that one, but I'm not sure.
230  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-16 Bloomberg - Bitcoin Dreams Endure to Savers Crushed by CPI: Argentina on: April 16, 2013, 02:56:16 PM
Bitcoin isn't a solution for capital controls in a country where it didn't already have wide usage.

Argentina has large borders, particularly with Chile (which happens to be the freest Latin America economy according to Heritage). There are lots of kms of deserts among the two, if I'm not mistaken. Smuggling stuff through it shouldn't be that difficult, and Bitcoin can help on that because then you only need to smuggle in one direction.
Depending on how serious Argentine inflation gets, it might become economically worthy to smuggle. And some people might make it a business, bringing Bitcoins to those in Argentina who can't afford to cross the border themselves.

Anyway, this would be a black market solution, and won't be happening until Bitcoin-awareness is much higher than what it is today. But according to the link in OP, Jared is not searching for black market solutions, he's actually going to play it on the open. As soon as his exchange is noticed by the Argentine government (assuming he actually manages to open it), he'll likely be shut down, if not worse. But perhaps he'll manage to create enough awareness so that the black market can take it from there.
231  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-16 Bloomberg - Bitcoin Dreams Endure to Savers Crushed by CPI: Argentina on: April 16, 2013, 01:34:55 PM
Wow, Jared, balls of steel! (or is it insanity/naivety?)
Giving people an easy way to escape capital controls, on the open like this... This is dangerous. I hope he manages to do it without ever needing to step on Argentine soil.
232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ? on: April 16, 2013, 09:22:03 AM
Governments cant regulate mathematics, which is the basis of bitcoin. Its like trying to regulate gravity.

They can't "regulate gravity" but they can pretty much forbid you to skydive for example.

We should not be so arrogant. Governments can be dangerous to Bitcoin.
233  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newb question.. understanding the wallet on: April 16, 2013, 09:18:37 AM
It is not important to do it after each transaction, since you are really just storing your access-key to the "blockchain".

Watch out with this. If your wallet is not deterministic (bitcoin-qt is not), a new random address will be generated even when you send money. So your wallet file changes. It's true that you don't need to backup that frequently, but that's because the program pre-generates 100 address in advance, and always get "new address" from this pool when it needs one.
234  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Alavancando reputação com o Mercado Bitcoin on: April 16, 2013, 08:44:12 AM
A CVM não tem nada que se meter com nada. Na verdade, ela nem deveria existir. Mas vai convencê-los disso.
235  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newb question.. understanding the wallet on: April 16, 2013, 08:41:57 AM
You wallet may be encrypted, in which case a password is necessary to unlock it and spend the money in it.
236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin anarchy in need of some rules | NY Post on: April 16, 2013, 08:35:23 AM
Members of the bitcoin community are starting to wonder if anarchy is the best policy,

We don't have anarchy.    Competing exchanges have been regulated out of existance.   BitMe.com shut down hours after FinCEN guidance was released saying they would be classified as a money transmitter.  If we had anarchy, BitMe would still be taking cash and selling bitcoins.

If he had anarchy, then the operators of ICBIT exchange would be willing to share info like who they are and where they are located.  Because trading of futures contracts is a regulated activity in most areas they operate anonymously.   When the exchange rate was skyrocketing, over the past weeks there was lots of interest in buying contracts but there wasn't much liquidity.  Part of the reason is counterparty risk - who feels comfortable sending larger amounts of bitcoins to sites operated anonymously?

If we had anarchy, or just free markets even, we wouldn't have had such a spike to $266 because hedging and shorting would have absorbed the upward pressure and then on the way down short covering would have provided support rather than seeing a drop to mid-double digits.

We need LESS regulation, not more.  We need MORE freedom to transact among ourselves without intervention.


Great post Stephen!
237  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ? on: April 16, 2013, 08:24:46 AM
Please make it clearer in the OP that the organisation Vessenes is referring to is Coinlab.  If that is his organisation then who are we to be outraged?  He can do as he pleases with it and can negotiate as he pleases with mtgox.  You don't like it go elsewhere.

It would be useful to know his position with regards regulation of the Bitcoin Foundation or regulation of Bitcoin in general but if the acceptance of regulation on Bitcoin exchanges in the US is inevitable then his business is likely to get much more co-operation and less of a headache from the regulating authority if he publicly shows willing rather than appearing to be dragged screaming and kicking to regulation for the sake of his libertarian audience.

Established business people tend to like regulations a lot, indeed. They keep competition at bay, by creating a huge barrier of entry to new market participants. By pressing for tough and strict regulations, Vessenes assures that few people will manage to create new startups to compete with him (like that bitfloor guy for ex., would his exchange exist if regulation enforcement was strict when he started?)

Regardless of whether he meant regulation for his competitors or regulation for Bitcoin in general, I don't find it sane to have a person that likes to use government force in the Bitcoin Foundation board. But who am I to say anything anyway, I'm not even a member of this club.

I very much enjoy the free-market spirit of "older" Bitcoin entrepreneurs like Erik Voorhees, Roger Ver, Charlie Shrem etc. I guess that as Bitcoin approaches mainstream, more "classic" entrepreneurs will start showing up. We'll have to deal with it.

Thank you OP for opening this topic and making me aware of this fact.
238  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newb question.. understanding the wallet on: April 16, 2013, 07:22:30 AM
I'm still lost where the backup can be utilized. Can the backup only sync to your own computer?

Yes, you can reload your backup in a fresh new install of Bitcoin-QT, it will rescan the wallet and find all your transactions.

Further, the only way for someone to access my wallet (not a backup) would be to get on my physical computer?

No. A malware in your computer could access it. If it's kept encrypted, the malware would only be able to steal your money if it also steals your password (assuming your password is strong, otherwise it could bruteforce it). Stealing a password is not really difficult for a malware though: it just need to wait for you to type it.

If you want to own a sensible amount of bitcoins (like, more than the cash you'd hold on your pocket while outside, for ex.), then you should search for more secured configurations, like offline wallets, paperwallets, USB-live systems etc. Or wait for Trezor to come out. Wink
The key to security is never to keep your private keys in the same computer you use for mundane tasks, like surfing the web. Even if you're a security expert, the computer you use to surf the web is always vulnerable to some degree.
239  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Alavancando reputação com o Mercado Bitcoin on: April 16, 2013, 07:10:47 AM
Acho que fazer um BO do caso é só perder tempo... sinceramente.

E eu diria arriscado para o próprio L. Por acaso ele segue as 3,14*1064 leis financeiras/tributárias e o escambau para poder legalmente guardar dinheiro de diversas outras pessoas em sua própria conta como fazia?
No que diz respeito ao Rain, ele já foi ameaçado pela CVM quando tinha outro nome... tenho minhas dúvidas que mudar de nome baste.

Enfim, não defendo a CVM ou essas leis todas, mas o fato é que eles existem e eles têm poder pra foder contigo quando quiserem.
240  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newb question.. understanding the wallet on: April 16, 2013, 06:48:34 AM
The answers to your questions depend on what software you're using for your wallet.

Assuming it's a desktop client like Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, Multibit or Armory, then yes, your wallet is a file on your computer. If you have no backups of this file and your HD dies, you lose your money. So, make encrypted backups! And choose a good password for the encryption.

Concerning backups, some clients (Electrum, Armory) have "deterministic wallets". These wallets have a "master key". You only need to backup this master key, and the entire wallet may be recovered from it if needed.
For clients that do not have deterministic wallets, the backup must be performed frequently. Ideally, if you're geek enough, make your wallet file be a symbolic link to a file in some cloud backup service. (encrypted, of course).
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