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381  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to buy an iPhone directly from Apple in USA? on: January 06, 2013, 04:43:06 PM
I would just buy directly from the Apple website or a local Apple store. Going in person would probably allow you to use multiple payment methods. And yeah, if you don't already have a debit/credit card, loading a VISA card would be a good way to do so Wink
382  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Journalism questions on: January 06, 2013, 06:26:38 AM
You can just post in the regular discussion area. I don't think you have to pick one or the other; there are topics in that link if you scroll down. Otherwise legal would probably be a closer choice for what you need.
383  Economy / Lending / Re: 60 btc loan, rate negotiable on: January 06, 2013, 05:58:29 AM
shut up moron

Undoubtedly an excellent way to get people to lend you over $600.
384  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Journalism questions on: January 06, 2013, 05:54:24 AM
My bad, it's just called BitCoin discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0
I guess I call it general in my head, lol.
385  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: So I saw smoothie at a Fast Food Restaurant Today :) on: January 06, 2013, 05:41:18 AM
I think my arteries just clogged looking at it.
386  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Journalism questions on: January 06, 2013, 05:40:18 AM
Legal for the legal related question(s), and possibly the general BitCoin talk forum for the others.
387  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cryptocurrency, The NWO Money System. on: January 06, 2013, 05:39:20 AM
6) Non TAXABLE

Not true. At least not in the US. You're taxed on all sources of income, regardless of what currency it's in.
388  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 04:07:46 AM
That's true, but it's still breaking a form of law, which incurs a penalty. And I would say that makes it the kind of thing we shouldn't allow on the forum in the interest of not only helping promote a positive image for BitCoin as a currency, but also to just generally help people avoid legal issues.

Not breaking a law, it's breaking an agreement.

Whether a law or legal agreement, my point still stands.

Then no one would ever talk here, that isn't a very good point. There are a lot of companies here, so you're proposing to ban them all?


Why would we ban those companies? I thought this whole discussion rooted from the idea of stopping the sales of account information?
389  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 04:01:29 AM
That's true, but it's still breaking a form of law, which incurs a penalty. And I would say that makes it the kind of thing we shouldn't allow on the forum in the interest of not only helping promote a positive image for BitCoin as a currency, but also to just generally help people avoid legal issues.

Not breaking a law, it's breaking an agreement.

Whether a law or legal agreement, my point still stands.
390  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 03:55:58 AM
A lot of websites put special clauses in their Terms of Service for those very reasons. You can sell or trade them, and they can sue you for it.

We aren't arguing if they can sue or not. The question: is this illegal.


Well, you would be going against a legally binding contract. I think that's enough to try and dissuade people from doing it.

Because it's the contract law, not the criminal law. Vastly two different thing.

In the first you can be sued for damages, in the second you go to jail.


That's true, but it's still breaking a form of law, which incurs a penalty. And I would say that makes it the kind of thing we shouldn't allow on the forum in the interest of not only helping promote a positive image for BitCoin as a currency, but also to just generally help people avoid legal issues.
391  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 03:52:29 AM
A lot of websites put special clauses in their Terms of Service for those very reasons. You can sell or trade them, and they can sue you for it.

We aren't arguing if they can sue or not. The question: is this illegal.


Well, you would be going against a legally binding contract. I think that's enough to try and dissuade people from doing it.
392  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 03:44:17 AM
Sales, distribution, or otherwise making available of access codes or credentials for accounts is illegal if the site owner or institution has not authorized such transfers. Doing so constitutes illegal access and theft of service.  It's illegal period, you can shout otherwise until you're blue in the face, but as previously conveyed most first world and third world nations have statutes covering access fraud, computer fraud, and theft of service.  Hell even sweden prosecuted theft of service complaint for prostitutes (i'm not joking).

You can keep repeating this over and over again. It doesn't make that right.

Since the accounts were created with a username and a password, they are the property of the creator. The creator can sell or trade them.

A lot of websites put special clauses in their Terms of Service for those very reasons. You can sell or trade them, and they can sue you for it.
393  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM WARNING!! FROM User BitcoinDoubleSpender on: January 06, 2013, 02:22:42 AM
He's banned by me as spam, and I'll ask theymos to give him the tag. *part of me thinks he's torac*  Roll Eyes

If you read his message backwards, I'm fairly certain you'll find the phrase "YOU WILL ALL BE MY SLAVES AND LICK MY ASS FOR A MILLION DOLLARS."
394  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 01:50:16 AM
It bothers me to see someone like you trying to police this forum. You have said your piece more than a couple times here. If you don't like whats going on here, then just get off of the forum, please. Save your breath and save us all from having to read your legalese.
so we're supposed to allow illegal activities to be conducted on this forum? aren't we supposed to make bitcoin mainstream and not tied to illegal transactions?

So we blame the currency for how its being used, thats a fair assessment.....NOT

I just addressed this question in my last post.  The currency is associated with the people and transactions that primarily use it.  If a new currency is primarily used or even remotely used for criminal activities it can harm the reception and spread of the currency as whole.  It's much the same as child nutrition, failing to feed a child healthy nutrients may result in stunted growth and development, which can not be fixed later in life.

Kinda what I was about to say. Yes, people shouldn't blame a currency for how it's being used, but people will do that anyways. There are a few US politicians that are calling for action against BitCoin, and you can bet they'll be willing to pull any shady looking thing from an unofficial BitCoin forum as proof that BitCoins are the tools of drug addicted terrorists selling WoW accounts to each other. They'll take anything they can twist to make BitCoin seem dangerous, illegal, or childish.
395  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 1 BTC Loan? on: January 06, 2013, 01:16:26 AM
Hey, to the idiots who have been talking after Tommo, what the hell did you add to this conversation? He at least gave advice on where to go, you just berated him for asking. It could have ended after SC, but NOOOOO. You just HAAAAD to repeat it. Good job, guys!

Thanks! Cheesy
396  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 06, 2013, 12:12:37 AM
Selling invites is allowed, but there are some restrictions in order to prevent people from selling accounts and invites obtained through hacking. In order to sell invites or accounts to invite-only sites, you must:
selling invites doesn't make a difference.

My bad. Must have read through too quickly and misread it. Maybe the mods haven't noticed him yet? This is a very new ruling.
397  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitinstant Order Execution Failed on: January 05, 2013, 11:53:10 PM
Hi my name is gabe and bitinstant i think just ripped me the fuck off. my transaction failed and i STILL dont have my money back and they dont respond to my emails wtf do i do someone please help!

You already posted in the support thread. Yankee usually responds pretty quickly and works to resolve customer issues. I don't think anyone else on the forum could do anything for you.
398  Other / Meta / Re: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites on: January 05, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
how come this guy gets to sell accounts?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134044.0
- Have some history here, with more history being required for trades of invites/accounts in bulk. Or, nope, account created a week ago
- Have substantial history on reputable invite trading forums such as torrentinvites.org which prohibit selling hacked accounts. Or, none that was mentioned
- Be vouched for by someone from one of the above two categories. nope


Title says he's selling invites, which are allowed.
399  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bank account opening rejected - seeking advice. on: January 05, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
A lot of financial institutions are unlikely to trust a relatively unknown currency like BitCoin. Also, you mentioned you were in Europe? I'll bet most banks are on an even higher alert now due to the recent concerns with UBS and Wegelin & Co.
400  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: email from Robert Fienstien on: January 05, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
It's a scam. Report and ignore.
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