So they haven't happened yet? I just read about it and thought I was too late? I still have quite some CFI in my wallet. But I didn't register to any distribution. What is their email address?

I think it was about to go down but they made a video explaining that they were about to exchange the wavecrest cards to their own anyways so its actually easier for them now cause they just have to send the new ones. But they are not ready yet so ppl have to wait up to three months I guess and even then I'm not sure how quickly they will be able to send them.

Careful, your post might get deleted for mentioning competitors positively! My post was deleted just for asking why Centra was better than TenX. TenX will have their own cards soon too cause they will actually be allowed to distribute them themselves, it's just that they used wavecrest until then. Btw I'm invested in none of those companies, I just want a realiable card. I used Xapo, but I think they had a shitty attitude regarding the Segwit2x Hardfork and so I dropped them.
So all in all, the wavecrest issue has hit some harder, but the top competitors, like Centra, aren't really influenced by that, which speaks for them.

 I hope my post won't get deleted again.

Why do you think so? Last time I did research it was over a year ago so I might have missed some new possibilities. But I have written a script to calculate the complex relationship between the Factoids, their price, entry credits and the amount of destroyed tokens depending on the amount of entries. So basically I have calculated how the price should behave once it is fully deployed. It was not so incredible, tbh. So I am wondering what your reasoning is?

Thanks!

Did they send the tokens to your personal address or are they within their platform?

If they have sent them to, for example, your myetherwallet.com address, then nobody can take it away from you. If it's within their system, they hold the private keys and have control over it.

The numbers are obviously not guaranteed. You never get a guarantee for speculative returns. Only scammers do that, which is why a lot of people fall for them. I would even go so far as to say that they are not allowed to guarantee them, but I'm no lawyer. They made it clear enough for me that this is a forecast, or a possibility based on their experience. So they are not random, but also not gueranteed. Personally I would consider that their experience was mostly during a crazy bull market... I always try to calculate very conservatively.

The calculator on the website is just a funny gimmick. It doesn't give you a forecast that you should rely on. It doesn't include the current difficulty, no difficulty increase, no change in price or any other of the many metrics that are relevant. It even says that it should not be used for any financial considerations. It's a marketing tool.

Just my 2 satoshi

Have you calculated what they promise? They can lie, and most do. For example, they don't calculate the average monthly increase in difficulty (4-5% iirc) when projecting income. But 5% monthly will eat ALL of your profit in no time. 5% montly is about 80% after 1 year.

How much of the difficulty increase will translate to Hydrominer I don't know yet, but the reason I choose them over any other cloud miner is a) they use renewable energy b) the tokens represent all aspects of the business (indirectly) c) they are very transparent, both in their financial calculations and their farms d) based in Austria, which means strong protection from fraud.

Jeez, do I sound like a shill?

/edit: not CH but Austria

Momentan, ja. Aber wir haben über die Kaufoption diskutiert.

Aktually they didn't offer too much. I think it was less than 25 people who participated. They will offer the overwhelming majority of the tokens at the ICO. Considering they offer over 50 Million $, I'm not sure they will sell out, certainly not within half an hour.

Mining output is only promised in watt, not in hashes. One token is 1 watt (iirc), and it will depend on the hardware and their skills how many hashes that is. Promising wattage makes a lot of sense, imo, because it's pretty easy to calculate and gives the holders a huge advantage over fixed hashes, because those will quickly become unprofitable, while the hashes/watt should increase over time (if only slightly). Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you are referring to the calculator on the website, that's just a gimmick and basically pointless. For example, it starts with a fixed difficulty and it doesn't increase over time. It's very static and rough. Don't rely on it.

Wow, congratulations!

Doch, das ist laut Hydrominer eine Möglichkeit. Bei mindestens einem haben sie scheinbar bis Ende 2018 die Option zu kaufen. Die Kraftwerke scheinen sich teilweise kaum zu lohnen. Ich nehme an, vor allem die kleinen.

Ja, das wird interessant zu sehen was passiert und wie die verschiedenen Entwicklungen Einfluss aufeinander nehmen.



Weiß jetzt nicht was du mit E-Auto Lüge meinst, aber ich würde das Projekt ohnehin nur auf wenige Jahre ausgerichtet sehen. Mag sein dass es noch deutlich länger geht, aber unabhängig von den Strompreisen kann ja auch noch so viel anderes schieß gehen. Wenn sie aber tatsächlich ausreichend große Wasserkraftwerke kaufen können, könnte sich das ganze noch deutlich länger lohnen. Jedenfalls Interessante Möglichkeit.

Already switching to insults? That was fast.

In the whitepaper it says one token will be worth 0.01 Eth, and you will be selling 25 Million tokens. This doesn't look right. Imagine you would actually reach the cap. You'd have to account for over 50 Million $! Are you really aiming that high?

Tatsächlich müsste sich die Dividende mit der Zeit sogar erhöhen, da mit 10% der Einnahmen tokens vom freien Markt zurück gekauft werden. Diese werden dann "stillgelegt" und bekommen keine Dividende! Stattdessen wird sie auf die verbleibenden tokens aufgeteilt.
Ich finde das alles etwas kompliziert, aber ich liebe buybacks und wenn sie sich an das halten was sie sagen, könnte das ganze sehr gut und profitabel werden, finde ich. Hab mal versucht das in ner Tabelle zu berechnen, wird schnell sehr komplex...

Great, thanks!

I don't want derail this thread with a discussion, so this will be my only statement here. Your premise that they made themselves beautiful for you and their other potential customers shows pretty well the basis of such behaviour. All of the team members look like normal (business) people. It's a business and you can get a good look how they run and that they are legit. Using that to accost/annoy people is absolutely not okay. Not in real life, not on the internet. Notice that these things almost exclusively happen to women, who in any way dare to speak publicly. None of the hundreds of males running ICOs have to deal with stupid comments like I referred to, and none of them are said to "show their looks like that", and rightfully so. Therein lies the problem.
If you want to discuss this further, we can do it via pm. Write me if you're interested! I don't want to derail this thread further, hope you understand.
#edit In case this was a misunderstanding, I didn't mean your comment about the whole team.

Thank you.

Locked means they will be taken out of the equation and won't receive any proceeds? Or does it mean that you will hold them forever, never sell them but receive the proceeds? This makes a huge difference how much returns each remaining token will receive and on the revenue of the comany.

Love the idea. I want to invest, but I need to understand every part of it. There's some things that I don't get. One of the pics it says that you will buy back tokens with 10% of the proceeds.

1. Will you burn (destroy) the tokens you bought back?
2. How can you sell remaining tokens and buy them back at the same time?
3. Will there be a measure to ensure you don't send proceeds to lost/inactive tokens? Lost keys, wrong address, holder died, etc?
4. And finally: I assume all this will be done "forever", meaning until the company closes down or some major changes happen?

Also, I have sent you two emails from the website form days ago, and I haven't received an answer to any of them. Not sure if there's something wrong with the form.

Thank you!

#edit
Also I'm sorry you have to endure all these stupid comments about your looks. One can only hope that karma will strike back somehow.