Sorry, but FUCK Ayn Rand.
Thank you kindly for your great arguments... damn, this is one toxic thread... just because you don't agree with someone's ideology doesn't mean that person can't say anyhting right, no? |
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But you emotionally attached to some utopia, don't you? There is no such thing as decentralization, there is always something that is centralized and controlled, and maintained and etc. in some cases it happens on same level (layer) sometimes on other layers (levels). Blind people like yourself, come with some random topic and start shouting "Banksters" "Coin worth nothing" "scam". People like you really know nothing about settelment, how it affects other people life, how much money and manpower wasted to support cross-border payments, not speaking about time.
Everyone who calls Ripple or XRP a scam or coin without use, are ignorant idiots that just copy/paste:
- 70k transactions a sec
- 60% savings
Above has to be embossed in their shill heads.
I do not support Fiat, I born and it is surrounds me, no one gave me other choice. Crypto is just digitization of money world.
But Ok, lets get to the point, why do you need privacy? What are you hiding? Why you want to hide? Do you really need to hide and lock yourself, or it is problem in surroundings?
I think there such thing as decentralization, even more, I think it is the future... Look at the internet, before year 2000, who could've imagined that information would be spread in such a decentralized way? Ok, it's not pure decentralisation, but it's much much better than the old where a few big companies could control the flow... Maybe you can't see it in cryptocurrency and money, but I can, and if we keep striving for it, it might happen... Why would you call me blind? Maybe you're the one who can't/won't see? I didn't say ripple is worth nothing, I'm just saying it has nothing to offer besides just another controlsystem for the rich and powerful of this world. If ripple would become the mainstream, we would've just replaced one f-ed system that robs us for another... For your reasoning about why anyone would need privacy, I think I will just quote Snowden:  And Ayn Rand:  and maybe ask you to read the book 1984 by Orwell... best regards, edit: and just one simple question: You would be okay with it, that if you sent me money by bank, that I could see how much you have on your bank account, that I could see whom you transacted with in the past, for how much, how many times... yes? |
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Escrowed or not? It's in the hands of a single company who created them out of thin air, how does this differ from a central bank printing fiat out of thin air?
You're confusing the ripple protocol (which might be adopted bigtime by banks) with the ripple tokens (the things you're buying of which you think they will be used by banks). I thought this whole crypto-thing was about cutting out the middlemen enriching themselves, not enriching the same middlemen even more? I must be too oldschool to comprehend :-)
How you mean 'useless in real life'? You mean you can't transact with it? Do you think gold is useless in real life? Sure, nobody uses it to transact with, but people who owned gold instead of dollars to save are way way way better off... So describing it as useless is very subjective...
Might surpass bitcoin and might make you paper profits, but you'll pay in freedom and future for you and your children
best of luck,
Ok, you come, you give some amazing shittalk, what is your alternative? Some privacy coin that is used in darknet for child pronography, drugs and other criminal/fraud/scam activity? This is what you want, that your children would be raped, sold and doxed? Wow, dude, chill... I like to discuss based on arguments... not on some baseless accusations... Please tell me where I told lies without insulting me... Ok, you think it was shittalk, that's your opinion, no problem with that... My alternative would be a trustless decentralized private coin without a mining-aristocracy that can't be created out of thin air at the whims of some company or central bank or whatever you want to call it... The last thing you do is a total logical fallacy. Because I would support a private currency (aka: if I transact with someone that person can't see what I have on my bank account or whom I transacted with in the past) I also support child rape and drugs? So, you're saying that privacy is something only criminals need/want? Is that correct: privacy is for criminals? Do you have curtains in your house? Do you protect your emailaccount with a password? Do you post publicly your banking statements? Now, would you agree that because you're probably using some form of paper money (let's suppose dollars) and dollars are used for human trafficking, drugs and a whole other bunch of crimes much more than any private cryptocurrency, that you support all those things? Is that your reasoning? Good luck anyway, and best regards. edit: by the way, your reaction is totally over it... Make sure you're not emotionally attached to any investment you make... it's a recipe for disaster... |
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Already heard before. 60% that are mostly ESCROWED. (I'm tired of saying it again and again and again) Paid nothing but they created the token and are the ones working for XRP to be accepted by the banks and all. if it becomes widely accepted and allow people to send money all accross the globe with close to no fees, they do deserves to end rich and honestly, I don't mind. I will pass on the old "bankers are bad, bitcoin will free the world" speech. BTC is useless in real life. XRP is faster, cheaper, and solves a real-life issue. There is a strong possibility it surpasses BTC in Marketcap before Q1 2019. Days like today are a great opportunity to buy. Good luck to you too anyway  Escrowed or not? It's in the hands of a single company who created them out of thin air, how does this differ from a central bank printing fiat out of thin air? You're confusing the ripple protocol (which might be adopted bigtime by banks) with the ripple tokens (the things you're buying of which you think they will be used by banks). I thought this whole crypto-thing was about cutting out the middlemen enriching themselves, not enriching the same middlemen even more? I must be too oldschool to comprehend :-) How you mean 'useless in real life'? You mean you can't transact with it? Do you think gold is useless in real life? Sure, nobody uses it to transact with, but people who owned gold instead of dollars to save are way way way better off... So describing it as useless is very subjective... Might surpass bitcoin and might make you paper profits, but you'll pay in freedom and future for you and your children best of luck, |
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Just exchanged some ETH for XRP. Expecting it to rise soon!
I think so too, yesterday I exchanged eth to xrp hoping in the next 6 months the price exploded and I will exchange it for reinvest in a new coin that potentially why? ripple is the ultimate banksterscam, it's not a cryptocurrency... https://cryptoyoda1338.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/the-truth-about-ripple/XRP is 100% premined, Ripple holds 60% of the supply, controls which nodes are selected as “trustworthy” to confirm transactions, while they have paid nothing to create those tokens that people are so willingly buying at $4+ per piece and thereby make the creators insanely rich. Let us call it what it really is, digital fiat, the renewed version of the debt-based traditional fiat system, leveraged by latest technology – which eventually has nothing to do with cryptocurrency whatsoever.Ripple lacks all the reasons why bitcoin and other crypto's have value... good luck anyway |
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How does that make it a scam? They actually have a partnership with a company with a couple hundred million users.
They didn't premine an inordinate ammount.
They released coins as promised delivering at the specified price.
They were forthcoming with the fact they used the monero codebase.
They allowed equal opportunity mining from day 1 of release.
I'm not one to think just because something is making people money it's not a scam. But in this particular instance, it's really difficult to see any validity to scam claims when I'm up on my investment. If it were a scam, I would have lost my money by now because they would have run away with ico funds or dumped the market into oblivion.
Unless you can prove a hidden premine, some permanent theft of funds, some untruth about their mining fairness... I am calling total BS.
You call it whatever you want... I can see it for what it is. A cheap copy of the monero-codebase with no changes whatsoever and a plagiarized white paper. Making money on something doesn't mean it's not a scam (cf. Bernie Madoff), having a partnership with a big company doesn't make it not a scam either... anyway good luck, time will thell who's right. I certainly know I would never invest in something that is just a pure copy of something that already has a huge network effect, certainly not when they're plagiarizing white papers. |
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What you think makes something a scam.... Isn't what makes something a scam.
It's a fork of monero. They openly stated this. It's only really an issue when somebody lies about their codebase and gets caught. As to hackerone they absolutely had original code facilitating the release. Its a fork, NOT A CLONE.
I had my coins within 30 minutes on cryptopia, there was lag but being experienced with such things i knew to refresh, go back, open tabs etc. To get around issues instead of sitting at a dead end for hours or days.
They have partnerships that are large enough to give it a usecase and a real market.
How can this be a scam? What, because you don't like it? I'm not the type to defend scams, I will however call out a false accusation.
dude, compare the githubs, they litterally did nothing except changing names from 'monero' to 'electroneum', changing a port number and some other superficial crap... https://github.com/monero-project/monero/compare/master...electroneum:master --> click on 'file changes' and have a good hard look at just what they did and tell me it's not a copy... further more please compare the 2 white papers: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdfhttps://electroneum.com/technical-white-paper.pdfthey use wording like 'our algorithm'... it's totally not their algorithm... it's just plagiarized If you don't see this is a scam, than I really can't help you, I'm sorry... I mean, their github is a copy of monero's with a few namechanges, their white paper is plagiarized from the cryptonote-white paper... how much more proof do you need? |
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Its probably one of the few new cryptos done right, proper team in marketing and tech. With good enough accessibility to newbies coming to crypto. Decent supply of coins but not too much. Company more intrested in security, and partnerships before going for hype.Its a solid buy for 2-3 year hodl.
yeah exactly, I don't know another single project that had a massive company like HackerOne do an audit for like 2 weeks on their code.. With the amount of marketing, and user base soon to come from some massive deals, I have a feeling 2018 is going to be a good one for ETN. LOL, 'their code'... it's a monero-clone, and the white paper is plagiarized from the cryptonote paper... Do any of you people do some actual research before throwing money at obvious scams... their roadmap is a total joke https://icobench.com/ico/electroneum/milestonesI mean come on, how amateur can you get? And people throw money at this, what's wrong with you guys? seriously... this is totally ridiculous: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/compare/master...electroneum:masterall they did was change names from 'monero' to 'electroneum', change a port number and some other superficial stuff... and you guys think this will be a big crypto? It's a superobvious scam... this would be superfunny if it wasn't so sad... |
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zcoin is the most special one.
its at $400m. So if it jumps like Verge, thats only x5. If Zoin jumps to Verge its x50..... Also Colx and Linda are very promising. Maybe they will announce something as WRAITH  What are you on about, they all have rich lists, so no, not private, you should do some research... if there's a rich list, it means the blockchain is transparant and I can find your address too and see how many coins you have... Verge is not anonymous, not even with wraith: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6813/what-is-the-difference-between-monero-xmr-and-verge-xvgand the thing it's supposed to do (hide ip's) it does badly... xvg.keff.orgdamn, this is becoming one ugly freaking bubble blown by dumb money thinking they buy cheap stuff without even knowing what something like market cap is... |
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-20% a day. Seems like some whales made some big money.
But I guess it's only correction before huge growth.
well, that's not quite correct. On cmc they're just letting bithumb out of the equasion, that's why it seems like it's down so much... while actually it's only down 5% or so... xmr is just being loyal to it's trendline: https://www.tradingview.com/x/im1Dm5j8/When the inevitable bursting of the bubble happens, I'm quite sure that xmr will seem like a sea of stability compared to all the other with totally unreal and parabolic movements... |
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XMR and Zec are projects that I hope will come at very high prices. Bitcoin already calms down and they are starting to move. We can reach 2000 dollar levels this year.
I think most people into xmr don't like zerocash that much. The technology is interesting, but there are some serious red flags: so, when I really need privacy, I'm going to use monero... |
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ripple is a farce and has nothing to do with crypto... https://cryptoyoda1338.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/the-truth-about-ripple/and I quote: XRP is 100% premined, Ripple holds 60% of the supply, controls which nodes are selected as “trustworthy” to confirm transactions, while they have paid nothing to create those tokens that people are so willingly buying at $4+ per piece and thereby make the creators insanely rich. Let us call it what it really is, digital fiat, the renewed version of the debt-based traditional fiat system, leveraged by latest technology – which eventually has nothing to do with cryptocurrency whatsoever.there's more in life than paper money profits... |
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look at the top 10 addresses. All are active.. strange right? I suspect those belong to the new devs. They bought in at sub 1 satoshi before december and now selling at 81 sats .. nice profits for a shitty scam coin. Also anyone who buys on pumps is just going to lose their money. This is just a pnd coin. and its been pumped... look at the charts. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/colossuscoinxt/Your detective/research skills missed the fact, that there just was a swap.And a burn. And that Colx has been rising constantly ever since I mentioned them here. Not sure why a richlist matters, do you put all your coins in just 1 wallet? Its much safer to spread them over several wallets.. . Huge github community too... the biggest of all privacy coins: https://github.com/ColossusCoinXT/ColossusCoinXT/graphs/contributorsIt should grow bigger than Pivx easily. But it will depend on how *active* the devs actually are, I wanted some good privacy coins after my Trons and Verges got so high and Colx, Zoin, Linda seemed best and still low... If you have any other suggestions please post? Xspec seems good too .. Unlike you i also still believe in Altcoins.. I saw you post about all Altcoins going down... And Bitcoin rising... But where.. Do you honestly think Bitcoin will go to $1m or even $100k any time soon? I think we will see many more success stories as Verge, Tron, Raiblocks and so on before that:) - so, why would that make colx private? - so what, every shitcoin has been rising the last weeks... is that proof it's actually any good, no... - off course a rich list matters, a rich list means the block chain is searchable: If you send coins to me, I can use your address to search in the blockchain, I can find how much coins you have, I can find who you transacted with, I can find your other addresses etc... - seriously, you think I fall for that... colossuscoin is just a stupid fork of pivx which is just a stupid fork of dash which is just a stupid fork of bitcoin... 99% of these contributors did NOT contribute directly to collosuscoin... how disingenuous can you be that you would try this? - no it should not grow bigger. It's the same stupid principle as Dash, a built in mixing service that doesn't work... Here's what actual cryptographers thinks of Dash and thus also Collossus: Poelstra: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies/29473, I'll cite for you: "And by the way, Dash (formerly Darkcoin) does not provide anonymity. They attached a (broken) implementation of CoinJoin to the ordinary Bitcoin client, and at least initially released it as a closed-source software. I haven't looked into Anoncoin, but the best advice I have for folks looking into altcoins is to assume they are uninteresting (and probably dangerously broken) until someone has demonstrated a concrete technical innovation." "The link you posted says that DarkSend+ is closed source. I am not in the business of auditing amateur secret-algorithm cryptography for free. Everyone else in this thread who has asked that I give more personal attention to this project (whose current incarnation, and every incarnation before that, has raised serious red flags, right down to their decision to fork Bitcoin in order to implement CoinJoin), the answer is no." Gregory Maxwell: https://youtu.be/LHPYNZ8i1cU?t=34m9sCollossus is just more crap built upon a fondation of crap... next time do some actual research before posting all that bullshit... |
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Let's hope it drops to the ground... ripple isn't a cryptocurrency, it's a digital token owned by a company: this is a long though very interesting and wel written read: https://cryptoyoda1338.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/the-truth-about-ripple/quote: "XRP is 100% premined, Ripple holds 60% of the supply, controls which nodes are selected as “trustworthy” to confirm transactions, while they have paid nothing to create those tokens that people are so willingly buying at $4+ per piece and thereby make the creators insanely rich. Let us call it what it really is, digital fiat, the renewed version of the debt-based traditional fiat system, leveraged by latest technology – which eventually has nothing to do with cryptocurrency whatsoever." I'm in crypto since 2012 and am sincerely disgusted by the the action in the cryptosphere these last couple of weeks... best regards |
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The stupidity of the unwashed masses always amazes me... The only DNMs that would start accepting Verge are the ones started up by LE agencies! Please, start your own market and only accept Verge!!! We will be seeing your name in the news rather quickly in that case! Actually, I think you know that already and this is simply all about manipulation of the new money that doesn't know any better. I don't know who put this together but I think it's interesting... Don't you? http://xvg.keff.org/That is really interesting, but i'm pretty sure those are non-wraith transactions, which are supposed to be public. Ehm, Wraith has nothing to do with ip-obfuscation, it's supposed to be about stealth-adresses, like addresses on the blockchain, not ip-adresses... Yeah, now I surely believe xmr is losing terrain... thanks, I actually feel a lot better now good luck, you'll need it ;-) |
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Yea i doubt that very much. Wishful thinking in light of knowing better.
The competition for monero is rising very rapidly, both in community and technology.
It's fair to say that now Wraith is active on Verge, it has technically surpassed Monero. And they already had a much bigger community behind them.
And then we have Spectre being technically similar but going environmentally friendly with PoS.
Tbh i can only see Monero go down from here, probably back to around 0.008-0.012 btc levels.
Yea yea, i know you're all going to hate on me now and say they are shitcoins.
Try bringing some solid arguments this time instead of just brainless bashing.
Please, not this... xmr is a highly technical community, it hires actual cryptographers to review and vet the code and do research. Wraith hasn't been peerreviewed, there's not even a technical paper. It's supposed to be stealthadresses I think, but stealth addresses alone are not enough for privacy, not by a long shot. For example look at this research: https://z.cash/blog/new-research-on-shielded-ecosystem.htmlprivacy fails because amounts aren't hidden... In Verge amounts aren't hidden either... Verge hasn't technically surpassed monero at all, it's just another pump and dump coin, with one dev that even fails to deliver their basic concept (tor integration)... They're all about marketing and have no vetted codebase... XSPEC at the moment is just vapourware, they promise the world, but there's no white paper, no documentation whatsoever... You're buying into a future promisse right now. If I would try to sell you a Renault, with the promisse that it would become a lambo, would you pay lambo-price for that renault? anyway, good luck and watch out for scams, Verge has all the red flags of a scam... |
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Good luck with your one man campaign against sumo posting the same crap in various threads. If you actually devoted the slightest effort to researching sumo you would see the super quick development of the past few months and a passionate growing community.
Good luck with your 4 man dev-team that just copied code from another coin, that don't know the codebase, that don't have cryptographers, that start off with a huge premine of 10% which is detrimental for privacy in cryptonote, of which the roadmap doesn't show anything new except some 'wallet' and 'mobile privacy' (what is that anyway), with no utility anywhere whatsoever... super quick development, all they do is copy things from the xmr-github? lol, another 3-month-old account telling me about 'super quick development' and 'passionate growing community'... as if you'd know what that is... by all means, piss your money away, I've seen it all before in 2013... good luck |
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XSPEC's professional 15+ years cryptographers are preparing default stealth addresses and first ever in crypto staking on stealth addresses in Q2 2018.
Technical document will follow ofc.
It is a good thing you don't believe, but will it matter when it happens?
Only is that you will miss the train
No hard feelings, just that XSPEC knows what it does, it already is the only project thats got Ring Sings, Stealth Addresses(yep they are not default) and obfuscated intergrated TOR in its client
Don't know about the 15+ cryptographers, can't find them here https://spectreproject.io/ anyway. we'll see about Q2 2018, weird, with 15+ cryptographers still no technical documents that can be peerreviewed... You realize that such supernew things should be peerreviewed and seriously tested... Q2 is quite the shorte timeframe, lol. We'll see about missing the train, let's hope that noone gets under the train instead ;-) |
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