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421  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 29, 2015, 07:02:02 PM
clearing out the mempool quickly would solidify the attackers losses and gratify the previous tx validation work already done by all full nodes in the network.
422  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 29, 2015, 07:00:39 PM
423  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 29, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
i think this proves that miners are perfectly capable of handling bigger blocks as evidenced by the "no delays" in confirmation intervals.  if anything i find it interesting that they get sped up to <10 min during these attacks.  with bigger blocks, we'd clear out that mempool in an instant:

424  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 29, 2015, 06:08:37 PM
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#rekt

talk about getting rekt.  Gregcoin my ass.

from Mike Hearn:

   >It was _well_ .... understood that the users of Bitcoin would wish to protect its decenteralization by limiting the size of the chain to keep it verifyable on small devices.


No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding.

The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words:

"At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to specialists with server farms of specialized hardware."

That is from 2008:
 
   http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/2/#selection-75.16-83.14

Then he went on to talk about Moore's law and streaming HD videos and the like. At no point did he ever talk about limiting the system for "small devices".

I have been both working on and using Bitcoin for longer than you have been around, Gregory. Please don't attempt to bullshit me about what the plan was. And stop obscuring what this is about. It's not some personality cult - the reason I keep beating you over the head with Satoshi's words is because it's that founding vision of the project that brought everyone together, and gave us all a shared goal.

If Satoshi had said from the start,

   "Bitcoin cannot ever scale. So I intend it to be heavily limited and used only by a handful of people for rare transactions. I picked 1mb as an arbitrary limit to ensure it never gets popular."

... then I'd have not bothered getting involved. I'd have said, huh, I don't really feel like putting effort into a system that is intended to NOT be popular. And so would many other people.


   >Don't think you can claim otherwise, because doing so is flat out wrong.


I just did claim otherwise and no, I am not wrong at all.

    >(Which, incidentially, is insanely toxic to any security argument for
    SPV; ---- and now we see the market failure that results from your and
    Gavin years long campaign to ignore problems in the mining ecosystem:



Since when have we "campaigned" to "ignore problems" in the mining ecosystem? What does that even mean? Was it not I who wrote this blog post?

    http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/mining-decentralisation-the-low-hanging-fruit/

Gregory, you are getting really crazy now. Stop it. The trend towards mining centralisation is not the fault of Gavin or myself, or anyone else. And SPV is exactly what was always intended to be used. It's not something I "fixated" on, it's right there in the white paper. Satoshi even encouraged me to keep working on bitcoinj before he left!


Look, it's clear you have decided that the way Bitcoin was meant to evolve isn't to your personal liking. That's fine. Go make an alt coin where your founding documents state that it's intended to always run on a 2015 Raspberry Pi, or whatever it is you mean by "small device". Remove SPV capability from the protocol so everyone has to fully validate. Make sure that's the understanding that everyone has from day one about what your alt coin is for. Then when someone says, gee, it'd be nice if we had some more capacity, you or someone else can go point at the announcement emails and say "no, GregCoin is meant to always be verifiable on small devices, that's our social contract and it's written into the consensus rules for that reason".

But your attempt to convert Bitcoin into that altcoin by exploiting a temporary hack is desperate, and deeply upsetting to many people. Not many quit their jobs and created companies to build products only for today's tiny user base.


My list of "things a full node is useful for" wasn't ordered by importance, by the way.


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425  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: July 28, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
is 0.93.2 working with Core 0.11.0?

Yes no problem at all.

i'm on win 7 64bit. all is working well including the offline wallet.

@philipma, if you need any help or questions with offline storage & armory stuff, you can pm me.

does it work in Ubuntu?
426  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 08:00:21 PM
hang on.  Dow futures -20.

I have a question...

Everything seems to be going down (except bitcoin, but I exclude it here because it's negligibly small).

Where's the money going?


US Dollar.

Because people believe Yellen will increase interest rates?

i'm not sure too many ppl believe that.  after all, raising rates will have profound effects on the national debt interest owed each month for all countries.

i just think we're at the top of another stock cycle that's long overdue to roll over.  how far and how deep is the question.  ppl are anticipating this esp after all the currency crises overseas and liquidating assets for cash; which drives up the demand for USD's.  if the roll gets momentum to the downside, i've said all along that i doubt the US will get lucky again with having both UST's and the USD go up like they did in 2008.  if i had to choose, i'd guess we'd go the way of Japan and watch the USD dump while they do everything they can to save UST's ala JGB's. 
427  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
hang on.  Dow futures -20.

I have a question...

Everything seems to be going down (except bitcoin, but I exclude it here because it's negligibly small).

Where's the money going?


US Dollar.

yeah, i was gonna say.  altho it's not perfectly correlated. 

China seems to be dumping it into gold; knife catching  Grin:

428  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: July 28, 2015, 06:46:04 PM
is 0.93.2 working with Core 0.11.0?
429  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
lets be honest the main problem with LN right now is that it does not exist and to make that happen it first needs to be built and then every wallet and service will need to be retooled to use it. 

But if the above was completed, its definitely worth using.  But does that mean we should also not scale the mainchain?  Absolutely not.  We need multiple options here.

There are secondary problems with LN which we'll only really start to understand as LN starts being used.

1.  Intermediary: If I understand it correctly, you open a payment channel with a LN node, and they open a payment channel with another LN node or with the ultimate destination.  So LN is an intermediary -- but one of Bitcoin's greatest strengths is its "disintermediation" for the many reasons I won't rehash now.  I've listened to well regarded entrepeneurs/technologists give speeches where this is one of their major talking points.  I guess they'll no longer be interested.

2. Fees:  IIRC, a LN payment requires the LN node contain as much working capital as outstanding payment channels.  So a bitcoin payment of quantity A will "utilize" N*A actual bitcoins during the duration of the payment channel(s), where N is the # of hops through the LN network (minimum 2).  LN nodes are GOING to charge a % for the privilege of using their $.  Lately in fiat currencies it costs 1-3% to make a payment.  It even costs that to get cash from an ATM and nowadays merchants just deposit that cash in the bank.  What an awesome racket to get 1% of every single transaction!  Bitcoin wiped away this scam because you could make a transfer for free or so close to free it did not matter (although you might have to wait).  Not going to happen with the LN.

3. No "Blockchain" applications.  Colored coins, etc won't work through LN (because you don't receive the exact coins that the sender sends into the network).  I suppose you could post a txn to the LN with additional data, but you can only post ONE chunk (because your LN payment channel transaction is repeatedly overwritten).  So I guess all the excitement right now around the blockchain as an immutable ledger (which TBH is the only exciting thing happening) will move to an altcoin...



no, no, no, nevermind your pretty little head.   iCEBlow has got it all figured out with Team Core.
430  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: July 28, 2015, 04:05:40 PM

otoh, my friend just got his delivered the other day via SL direct buy via DHL 3d delivery but it originated from Panama?  anybody know anything about that?  i thought they come from Czechoslavakia?

My invoice stated that the supplier was BitNet Global Inc based in Panama but according to the DHL waybill and tracking information the Trezor was collected in Prague, Czech Rep.



does that mean the BitNet holds them for an extended period of time before sending them out to customers?  b/c that wouldn't be good.
431  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
As Frappuccino purchases move off main chain and are consolidated by Layer 2 processes, each of Layer 1's 7 tps becomes increasingly valuable, demonstrating it is not the size of the block that matters, but how you use it.

I LOL'ed Wink

LOL'ed - i love the word  Grin good joke

kinda reflects where his thinking is derived.
432  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
notice how stock mkts almost perfectly reflect consumer sentiment/confidence.  or vice versa.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/us-economic-consumer-confidence-plunges-10-month-lows-hope-crashes
433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 02:27:14 PM
hang on.  Dow futures -20.
434  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 28, 2015, 12:21:09 AM
If anything, we should get the blocksize to the largest rationally supportable size

This is exactly where reasonable people differ.

That is a key word right there "reasonable".  I certainly haven't had any great epiphany as to how to choose the correct size or how to make it a reliably updated thing.   Predictability and anything that removes human consensus making from an ongoing process is what I would favor.  

The only way to remove human consensus from the ongoing process is to leave it exactly the way it is. No changes to the consensus rules ever (MP argument).

That is btw pretty much Wladimir's view. He's not going to back any change that doesn't have human consensus. So you either have human consensus or, removing it from the process, no changes at all.



i wonder what all those guys will say next year when the Blockstream guys want to change the code for SC's and LN if Gavin objects.
435  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 27, 2015, 10:50:48 PM
EVERYTHING down, Bitcoin & Monero UP  Cool

^fify

And look, another Monero shill for Frap.doc to expose:

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits?author=laanwj   Cool



don't hold your breath.  Monero isn't going anywhere.
436  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 27, 2015, 07:13:36 PM
this looks good too:

437  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 27, 2015, 06:45:53 PM
this looks good:



i guess it was indeed good.
438  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 27, 2015, 06:09:55 PM
this looks good:

439  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 27, 2015, 05:57:48 PM

nice article:

Letting the 1 trillion euro ($1.1 trillion) plus scheme to buy chiefly government bonds run longer could be better still, he suggested. "It may need to go beyond that," he said.

the black hole of death.
440  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 27, 2015, 02:09:10 PM
getting critical now.  just broke near term support and approaching red line of death:

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