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701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOBL]*NOBLECOIN*WATER PROJECT SUCCESS:$5,147 RAISED!**COINEX**MARKETPLACE* on: February 20, 2014, 03:48:19 PM
Dif going up today, we're #2 on Coinwarz.
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Coin    Difficulty    Coin reward/day    Exchange rate BTC    Exchange rate USD    Revenue/day    Days to create 1 BTC
 NobleCoin    8.87000000    11339.666072    0.00000061 ?    0.0003662379    $4.15    144.57
Numer 2? We are even behind Litecoin, the exchange rate is still downwards without explanation. Sad
It's without explanation in the sense that there doesn't seem to be a clear reason for this dip. But it looks like general market health. When over 75% of markets are declining, and all of the big markets are declining it's bound to create lots of downwards pressure. Unfortunately, NOBLE is not immune to this despite all of the good news surrounding it.
True, I have been wondering if that was the cazy but to be honoust was too lazy to check all other markets to see if it was true. It seems you should just mine a 'shitcoin' market where the exchange rate is 1 or 2 satoshi, those can't crash. :p But there you have the risk of the market disappearing.

If you think about it, the conversion rate to BTC shouldn't change if the BTC exchange rate to USD is already crashing. The latter already takes all other coins value down with it, so why the double crash?

It's seems counter-intuitive but it makes sense when you think of it like this:

The less USD in the BTC market, the less USD that can be poured into alts. So both BTC and alts go down in price compared to USD.
To compound this effect, when there are bear markets, most investors will put their money into something perceived as more stable. So people will want to lock in the best BTC price they can find so that when BTC/USD recovers, their overall financial hit won't be as bad. Usually when there are bear markets, a lot of investors are significantly risk-adverse. The funny thing is that it also follows basic human psychology. When things are looking bad, most people want to find the thing that will be the least detrimental.

A lot of the time, this has the effect of stemming the bleeding in the BTC markets, at the cost of significant impact on alt markets.
702  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOBL]*NOBLECOIN*WATER PROJECT SUCCESS:$5,147 RAISED!**COINEX**MARKETPLACE* on: February 20, 2014, 02:48:10 PM
Dif going up today, we're #2 on Coinwarz.
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Coin    Difficulty    Coin reward/day    Exchange rate BTC    Exchange rate USD    Revenue/day    Days to create 1 BTC
 NobleCoin    8.87000000    11339.666072    0.00000061 ?    0.0003662379    $4.15    144.57
Numer 2? We are even behind Litecoin, the exchange rate is still downwards without explanation. Sad
It's without explanation in the sense that there doesn't seem to be a clear reason for this dip. But it looks like general market health. When over 75% of markets are declining, and all of the big markets are declining it's bound to create lots of downwards pressure. Unfortunately, NOBLE is not immune to this despite all of the good news surrounding it.
703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin shop in London on: February 20, 2014, 02:26:07 PM
Quite fascinating i'll say, 2% commission seems pretty fair, i'll suggests if they also sell goods and only accept bitcoins that will be more logical and will attract more customers. 
I think physical stores accepting BTC for goods is still in its infancy (with confirmations times, market price fluctuations and the sort). But the convenience provided by this shop as a gateway to using BTC is a wonderful thing. I can't wait to see how this expands and changes.
704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin shop in London on: February 20, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
This is really cool news. I wonder when this will expand.
When we go out and support his business.
I'd personally love to support it if it was reasonably feasible for me. Too bad this can't work in the U.S. with the way things are...
705  Economy / Speculation / Re: where are Chinese and what are they doing? on: February 20, 2014, 02:53:33 AM
The Chinese are all over the world, and they are doing all sorts of things.

Or the Chinese are in China, about to get ready for lunch.

Okay, now seriously, I think the various bans in China slowed down that market. But I also think there is a fairly large alt type of market in China. And let's face it, the vast majority of people in China have no incentive to use BTC as substantially as it could be.
706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lets say MtGox reenables withdrawals: How high will we spike? on: February 20, 2014, 02:49:50 AM
I'll say 850. Initial spike to 750. Stabilization of other exchanges to reach a 5% average spread. Additional traffic will make the spread at 20%

So: 750*.95*1.2=855 but I like rounding so 850.
707  Economy / Economics / Re: Worst bitcoin decision you've ever made? on: February 20, 2014, 02:44:04 AM
I cashed out 10 BTC in September so that I could make a down payment on a car I wanted. Doh!

If I only waited two months like I originally wanted. Meh, love...
708  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: power supply for 4 miners on: February 20, 2014, 02:41:55 AM
4KWh, there are very few times where the power draw for this through one outlet will make sense.

It doesn't sound like you have much electrical experience; I wouldn't risk plugging 4 miners into one outlet if I were you.
709  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin shop in London on: February 20, 2014, 02:22:55 AM
This is really cool news. I wonder when this will expand.
710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do companies sell Bitcoin miners, like ASIC? on: February 20, 2014, 02:20:29 AM
Sometimes I relate Bitcoin ASIC companies to Lamborghini.

Ferruccio Lamborghini sold farming equipment even though in the 50's farming was very profitable. So using the wealth he got from selling farming equipment, he was able to start up Automobili Lamborghini.

A good amount of the time selling equipment makes more than the market that the product is being produced for.
711  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are most of the POOLs owned by theives? on: February 19, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
Yes.

To own a pool, you need to be a thief, and have at least 16 in Charisma and Dexterity. Halflings also need 18 Strength.

I wish I found this post sooner...

*clap* *clap* *clap*

If there was a post of the day on bitcointalk, you sir would have gotten it for me this last week. Thank you.
712  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Premines and why they are bad on: February 19, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
As someone mentioned, there is a grey area when it comes to premines some of the time.

What I am surprised is that those who want to premine for the sake of development don't take the approach of embedding it into the block reward. Although there would likely be huge amounts of antagonism towards it, it's one of the more effectual ways of addressing the disparity of premined coins vs. coins currently in existence.

Let's say you want block rewards to be 100, and you want 1% for development purposes you could:

Make the first [insert # of blocks] reward 102 with 100 going to miners and the last 2 going to a wallet for devs.
Afterwards adjust to 101 with 100 going to miners and the last 1 going to devs (assuming that there will be continuous development).

If the premine is just for promotional purposes then just allow the first [insert # of blocks] have additional height and truncate after the promotional period is over.
713  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do miners add any significant value to a coin any more? on: February 19, 2014, 06:29:39 PM
Agreed. Mining has become a way for certain people to justify 'fairness' in distribution.

I tend to prefer coins that don't rely on miners and have most coins already minted. I think the market will take care of proper distribution based on supply and demand individual psychology.

Quark, devcoin, cab, zeta, premine are all coins that rely on the market rather than miners to determine distribution at this point. Preminecoin is obviously the most extreme, but I like watching these coins (if I don't invest) solely to see what a post-mined coin will be like - think about Doge in 2 years.

DOGE hit some nerve with the community and now also FLAP.
I think it would be interesting to study the demographics of the users.
Both have some marketing power, that will give it some life, maybe.
When people start losing money the fun will be over.

I definitely believe a demographic study would show many interesting results. And to be honest, confirm many results already anticipated.

I do find it interesting how so many of these coins are being treated as businesses of some sort with marketing gimmicks, road maps, workflows, brand loyalty, infrastructure, and growth projections. As a matter of fact, I have begun calling coins in market terms.
714  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do miners add any significant value to a coin any more? on: February 19, 2014, 04:49:58 PM
In terms of securing the network and providing nodes, no. Miners do not consistently provide that service any more.

However, miners still provide "value" as they are spending "resources" (hardware/electricity) to obtain these little nifty digital bits.

I have seen a paradigm shift that clearly started with the whole FTC pump: once it was the inherent value of the protocol and network that brought value, now it's about the communities or pump mechanics that provide most of the value to a particular coin market. There are some coins that are using this shift to their own advantage by providing infrastructure that is appealing to the community, but many times it's all about a pump scheme.
715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Biometrics is the key to defeating Bitcoin hackers! on: February 19, 2014, 03:24:39 PM
I already spoke to some of the devs, they quickly proved me wrong that biometrics are viable. They said for instance, that fingerprints are not the same throughout the whole life, they change and are are not as accurate all the time. I also tried saying ok what about a DNA scan, proved me wrong again.

DNA scanning is even more far-fetched, but could be fun. Imagine licking or spitting into something before you could send your Bitcoins  Grin. I'm sure there'll be fingerprint Bitcoin apps at some point.

Altho DNA is unique (all 13 pairs) but its not guaranteed to stay the same.

Are you sating peoples DNA changes?
I think I read somewhere that throughout a person's life, he has many mutations in his DNA.

Yes, a person experiences minute changes to his/her DNA throughout the course of life. Environmental mutagens, various forms of radiation, etc. Our bodies have mechanisms that do a very good job of preventing changes in our DNA, but just like the human experience, it too is imperfect.
716  Economy / Economics / Re: Are bitcoin exchange prices being manipulated? on: February 19, 2014, 04:49:51 AM
Like any market, some manipulation is bound to occur. And this effect is more pronounced with the disparity with bots on trading platforms. The less organic nature of algorithmic trading causes things to seem like there is a constant stack on prices; this in turn makes it seem like there is a significant amount of manipulation (likely more than there really is).
717  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOBL]*NOBLECOIN**WATER PROJECT SUCCESS:$5000 RAISED!**COINEX**MARKETPLACE* on: February 19, 2014, 04:14:22 AM
I'm really excited that The Water Project drive was such a success! That was a really great job by the community!

It's also really awesome that they have allocated the funds to a project already!

This is truly wonderful news!!!
718  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: idea: adaptive block rewards, a design criteria to punish large pools on: February 19, 2014, 02:03:24 AM
I see your point. You are worried that some pool operator with high enough hash power may deliberately and artificially decrease the total rewards of the coin network constantly for a certain period of time. This is technically possible. But the protection is that the high-hash pool operator can do it only at the expense of downgrading his own rewards, which would in turn mean lower shares for the members of the pool. It is eventually inevitable that the pool's members will cash out and run away lowering the pool's hash rate. This renders the centeralizarion-oriented-pool-operator's approach impractical.

Don't get me wrong, I see the benefit. But for a person (or a group of people) with enough hash power the deliberate manipulation can cause some significant issues. I can see the uber-rich doing some seriously detrimental things for monetary gain. If the pool is large with a lot of small time people, they'll switch pools. But if the pool is made up of a few big time players, they won't care about switching when they can alter the price of their own coins.

This is what concerns me about coins that aren't reconciled with.
719  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: idea: adaptive block rewards, a design criteria to punish large pools on: February 18, 2014, 11:57:28 PM
What I propose is that: What a pool operator can do is that he can only decrease his next block reward. The protocol does the checks by ip of the client, or by client id or whatever appropriate measure. Only the client with too much hash rate is punished next time he finds a block. The other clients are not affected. I don't think that coin's market value is affected anyhow by some pool trying to centralize. If something, this temporary scarcity in rewards would make the coin more valuable both because of temporaray lesser-coin-increments caused by some noobish pool operators and by centralization-proof design.

My apologies, I apparently skipped part of my train of thought. Say the colluding farm owners bought a bunch of the coins (that's why I say it was mined okay for a few weeks).

Price goes up. They dump. Buy up at the lows. Rinse and repeat. Since they can control the scarcity of the coin this enables them to act as wanton profiteers at their discretion.
720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 18, 2014, 11:48:35 PM
Electric costs would be the big problem with mining and you might want to look at your rates.
To be honest, I wouldn't worry about electric costs (~$180 a day).

You need industrial infrastructure (or at least commercial) to support 50KWh. And setting this up and avoiding shorts and possibly worse is no easy task.
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