Rumours ... are you serious?

Maybe Sasha finally does the right thing by his earliest investors ...

I must admit I did not expect this (but am pleased), is this a new game or a continuation of the original CK? I hope it is the latter ...

Sasha is close to his final exit scam, that's why he doesn't care now, the Vostok airdrop scam tokens will be dumped on noobs and WAVES/Vostok will fade away.

Does anyone think Sasha cares about real dev work since he cashed in during waves ICO? Everything since then is all BS, just waiting for the exit.

The failed Coinomat swap is the sign everything is over, it's the most blatant scam in crypto, just very old dating back to 2014, and not very large in magnitude, but 100% open and visible to anyone with half a brain. Just read the screenshots that get posted here for last 2 years.

Waves is a dead coin walking

Good to see this thread still active, I'd love to see a reboot of this concept one day, even something super basic just to let people play again in some form, just to reassemble some of the former CK originals for further brainstorming! Such a great idea, well ahead of its time!

12 months is a long time in crypto but sounds like good advice, next election will be in a bull market probably too.

If I was a tech guy I'd think seriously about running, not many ways to make risk free money in crypto unless you're the lead dev of an ICO project or have a load of cash to invest in mining rigs and have cheap power.

How long until the candidate spam starts

Good to see some progress on coinomat assets

Wow, nice to see some CK old timers again, nice

Great idea for a zcash clone, hope it gets on an exchange with some volume

The game needs to be simpler but overall Risto had a good structure.

Can we restart health challenge and payouts for NPC and buildings? That will get people playing and thinking about games design again.

Loaf was not getting any traction working with HMC when he was active last year, those guys were never going to agree to the type of changes Loaf is proposing to make to game design now. It's a crying shame what happened here in CK land but time to face reality, original CK is dead, anyone who tries a revival now doesn't owe anyone jack diddly squat, it's a new game, be grateful for an airdrop.

Agreed, Syksy is doing a good job with design ideas.

Could we organise something using the live DB in this interim period to help get old timers re-engaged with CK again, to help stimulate some feedback and brainstorming over design from old hands.

Maybe some good old fashion gambling, or a tournament with prizes like Risto organised for his Jubilee, anything to get people focusing on CK again while we wait for the new release.

This is a great idea, and a good way to re-issue game items generally, so if a player owns 5% of a current item class like wine, and the new game design decides we only need 1 type of wine instead of 20, then that player gets allocated 5% of the new wine float. We could use that method to re-issue almost any item, and if some items are going to be deleted completely we can just allocate M from game funds based on estimated value of the deleted item. Let the Game restart with a clean slate, if the game designers want to.

I always thought the game had too many items, and a lot of duplication for the early alpha stage, and it made things overly complicated. Wherever possible I hope things get simplified as much as possible, and automated based on known rules wherever possible. Get back to the original idea of crypto monopoly in a Game of Thrones setting.

We should take the path that requires the least amount of changes, and that's what Loaf trying to do, turn Risto's accounts into communal Game funds, simple!

Anything else, like trying to resolve b1 debts is too difficult, too impractical, and there will never be universal agreement, I for one think Risto was impaired mentally during the whole depo era, and all withdrawals during that time are questionable, and would need to be returned first in order to distribute to everyone effected fairly. Is that ever going to happen ... no way, what happened can't be reversed, and trying to pay Risto's debts now causes more problems than it solves, and just as many people will disagree, probably more. I don't want to be diluted, and I don't want the potential dev funds reduced to create b1 whales with dubious origins.

None of that means I don't feel for those who lost money, but the biggest loser in CK so far is Risto himself (+50K XMR), and then guys like Karl Hungus (+30K), and then all the rest of us. We all lost, and trying to make some people whole by essentially giving them dev funds will cause more problems than it solves.

All people on the b1 spreadsheet have the option to deal with Risto IRL, but the result might not be what you expect. A contract entered into with a mentally ill person is probably void in most jurisdictions, if you KNOWINGLY profited from a contract with a mentally ill person, what then? Probably a crime in many countries, and really dangerous territory to enter. I remember during the depo crisis Risto was giving away wads of money, and people were withdrawing XMR & bitcoin while Risto was talking about his family crisis interspersed with weird religious 'voices' and talk of suicide and how depressed he was. Seriously, if the Game needs to use Risto's assets to pay b1 debts then ALL those withdrawals and giveaways need to be revisited, to keep things 'fair'.

What we need to do is think like a triage nurse in a battle hospital, who can we help, who is going to die no matter what, who can be saved and needs attention immediately? We can save CK, but not if we spend scarce resources on Risto's b1 & e1 debts.

You're spot on, Risto was very likely suffering from an episode of mental illness when he created the e1 peg which led to the depo share run and debts, if he ever recovers his sanity he could rightly take legal action to absolve him from those debts on the basis that he was not mentally fit when he made those decisions. That's a good argument in favor of forking the Game though, and leaving those issues with CK legacy. If those debts are later found to be invalid it would create a hornets nest of problems paying bond holders for debts that don't exist, also, would the SEC be interested in these 'securities' ... best to leave these issues for Risto and his creditors.

CK is like a DAO where the game is owned by the players, Loaf is correct, nobody will invest new funds into a venture with this level of debt

what CK needs most to recover is a critical mass of active players, so the choice is between:

1- a fresh start, start by auctioning off game currency like gold or M as Risto did originally in 2014 to get dev funds i.e an ICO

2- write off the existing debts and fork the DB, use Risto's accounts as dev funds

Neither is a good option, 1- writes off everyone's in-game wealth, but 2- writes off only those owed b1 and e1 by Risto and some proxy accounts that might be his friends.

Anyone still following CK is certainly sitting on massively devalued in-game assets and wont invest anymore funds, or those who successfully bailed during the depo exit opportunity but still find CK interesting enough to keep watching. Getting new people requires consolidating the players already here, and that means not disadvantaging them anymore than they already have, BUT, unless someone has a great idea for generating 10 mil USD to pay off past debts, the obvious conclusion is to follow Loaf's roadmap, not because it's 'fair', but because there's no alternative other than starting over from scratch with a new game entirely..

The only other alternative to Loaf's roadmap would be trying to get some of the old players who exited with good profits when the depos were active to re-invest, but how likely is that, and at what terms? Doesn't seem likely, not unless CK is already up and running, so it's a chicken & egg problem getting those guys to re-invest.

Unless the devs Loaf has are working for free we'll need dev funds long before any chance of ever paying off 10mil of debts. If you work through the options Loaf's plan has the best chance of kickstarting the game enough to get new players, Risto's accounts are substantial, and using those assets doesn't dilute existing players, but it does get the dev ball rolling.

It's time, save the Game!!

Can't wait to play CK again!

Give the account to the rightful owner, if you bought a hacked account, you should give it back when the rightful owner is obvious.

This election reminds me of the Hunger Games

This is a great idea, being King should have many benefits, and those who want them should be prepared to fight to first get them, then keep them.