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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 06:46:30 PM
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People have lost the value of what people think betking is worth but no I don't think they lost any money until the site is closed down.
Bizarre. People who did sell tokens and actually lost money apparently don't count (because they voluntarily sold, or something). And people who haven't sold, still haven't lost any money (despite them would if the ever needed to)? So basically, you're saying the only way token-holders can lose money is if the site closes down? I don't think there's a way to have a productive discussion with someone who argues that "not a single person lost any money" on a token that nose-dived ~99%. For example I invested in both Betking and Bitdice Ico, despite how bad everyone thinks betking has performed bitdice aint doing all that great either, token price 0.025 my dividend payments might have made me like 1 eth in over a year despite investment being much larger than 1eth, and I think a lot of people were able to get 40% of their investment back from betking if they did buyback ( I never did a buyback) if I sold my bitdice tokens and added in dividends I woudn't even be at 40% of my investment back.
This really seems like misdirection. No one is attacking Dean for being a bad investment, they're attacking it for repeatedly lying and dishonest. The simple undeniable truth is Dean used his personal reputation to create and back BKB to give him personal exposure to bitcoin. He repeatedly sold it as an instrument to protect against bitcoin price going down (up until including shortly before he cancelled the promise, trying several times to pitch it to me knowing I'm stupidly heavily into btc). He milked it all the way when bitcoin price was doing well, and literally the second things turned around he renegs. To the best of my knowledge, he sold ~6.5M dollars worth of BKB, not bought a *single* one back at above the ICO price (and claimed to have hit something like 70% buybacks or something?). I think the only thing left to do is play with semantics ("you haven't lost unless you sell!") "It's not Dean's problem if you sell at a loss" and "he's not a scammer because he wasn't intending on scamming! He only did it cause it was profitable. But to be a scammer, that has to have been your intention". So you don't believe him when he says he bought back 70% of them? |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 06:04:54 PM
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BillyBurns (aka GNIKTEB on BetKing as seen on the screenshot) appears to be an admin/moderator on BetKing. His name is red in chat, and so is Dean's. All normal player names are blue. I think it's more likely that he is someone hired by Dean. (program choice is weird though; why Windscribe & ProtonVPN?) I have come to accept that when it comes to betking - expect the unexpected. As you rightly pointed out BillyBurns (GNIKTEB) is an admin or moderator on betking. His staunch defence of anything betking related makes it clear he has more than just an interest in betking (that has not yet been divulged). Either he is hired or he is somebody volunteering - either way he is a representative of betking I never understand how people can say such wild things and not look at themselves just for a second. I will repeat I have not been paid a cent. All of you are so concerned for investors you claim right? But do you not see the irony that your hurting investors more than anybody? All these people that care tho right? 5 threads spammed all day every day in same forum for god knows how long. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 05:39:09 PM
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If i sell tokens at current price on exchange yes.
If I hold and wait I may
If I hold and wait I might not
Based on this, would you say: "no one has lost any money" to be a fair and honest statement? People have lost the value of what people think betking is worth but no I don't think they lost any money until the site is closed down. For example I invested in both Betking and Bitdice Ico, despite how bad everyone thinks betking has performed bitdice aint doing all that great either, token price 0.025 my dividend payments might have made me like 1 eth in over a year despite investment being much larger than 1eth, and I think a lot of people were able to get 40% of their investment back from betking if they did buyback ( I never did a buyback) if I sold my bitdice tokens and added in dividends I woudn't even be at 40% of my investment back. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 04:49:55 PM
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Conclusion - You guys all out for a witch hunt and it's clearly obvious you all want to see Dean fail and find anything bad you can out about him, not to help other people not help yourself but only see him suffer. Fair enough. I'll agree I don't have enough evidence to say you're Dean, and there were several things I noticed in the screenshot that I wouldn't have expected of Dean. Would you be willing to disclose your working relationship with him (i.e. are you an employee of his)? I'm not a employee. I am a original ico investor who mods his forum. I was also a mod for his forum like 2 years ago. I have never been paid a cent from Dean other than profit from investment in site roll pre ico. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 02:24:25 PM
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Oh, Ryan. You never fail to amuse. Excellent detective work. I'd consider that pretty irrefutable proof that they're the same person.
Well Dean claims he has people working for him, so it's certainly possible BillyBurns is one. I do find it rather unlikely that he's some unbiased observer though  I don't think he's Dean but if you look at my post history I quoted a post from him where he was fed up with him and implied he's a scammer. It didn't take long for him to go from that to defending him. That could be for whatever reason... Edit: here I wonder where things went wrong. He had such a good website back in the day and I'm really grateful for that. He always was a little miscalibrated but intentions were good. Then something just plummeted off of the deep end during the bear market I guess. GG
He went broke trading alt coins, according to him he was tired of alt coiners making more gains than him so he started trading and he got liquidated for everything, this is not a lie I was told to keep hush but I ain't letting this dude get away with another scam, my 30k is long gone. Now the interesting thing is to speculate is if he used ico funds to gamble on is bitmmex acc or otc trades. Fromm y point of view since the inception of Ico it seems he is doing everything in his power for it to fail. Yeah I did say that and Dean saw that post and emailed me and I talked to him. All the information I was getting was speculation since nobody had any proof, I was angry at the time and came in here spewing because I was mad. When Dean emailed me I told him i was mad that the site seemed to be regressing games taken away, chat removed, exchange was made it seemed only for us to dump on it really did seem at the time he was sabotaging the site. He told me changes were coming and he is working as hard as he can to make it right. I told him I hope that was true, then a few weeks went buy and I noticed changes, site was looking the best it ever had, he even was answering noobs questions, chat came back. That was good enough for me to see that things were going in the right direction for once. Then I came back here and started reading all this non sense by all these users who don't know the difference between "Proof" and "speculation" and state "Opinions" as "Facts" all day everyday for a very long time. It's funny to me, all these troll accounts act as if they care for the players or investors, but from what I have seen going on the people hurting the investors the most are the troll accounts here that are spreading "speculations" as :Truths:. Does anyone here think Dean is altering the rolls? Does Anyone here think he will exit scam on the current crowd funded bankroll? Does anybody here think Dean is to incompetent to secure player funds? The issue here, in my opinion, is not the fact that he's trying now. It's the fact that from what I see investors are simply getting way worse of a deal than what it used to be. This seems pretty clear wouldn't you think? Instead of getting quarterly buy backs (which were assumed to be a certain price) you're getting what now? Dean says nobody lost anything but the fact that you're only able to either wait or sell for a MASSIVE loss... that seems like losing to me. Also Dean seems to just simply be dodging some of the questions. Like how did the value drop if there were no massive wins on the site and what not? I'm more of a bystander here and I've been observing all of this quite a bit but none of my money is at stake so take that as you please. I know dude your not part of the troll group. I use to talk to you on bitdice a longtime ago in case you don't remember. The sportsbook was eating a lot of money (obviously a very bad choice) but dean was giving better odds to induce action but all that did was invite professional gamblers, wish I would have known that since I also profit from sports longterm could have warned him or taken some of the juicy action. As for being worse for investors that tricky because as you know bitdice hasnt done too stellar and I think a big reason is because you dont allow onsite investment anymore for anybody. I think this type of investment brings players and traffic and sometimes investors turn into players after they take some losses, so while yes were not the entirety of the house bankroll anymore for the longterm sake of the site I think it might just be better this way. From what Dean has said I believe developers and promos and advertising were eating up a lot of $ and not generating anything from them. I can vouch for the promos eating up a lot of money I know for a fact those daily poker tournaments were giving free money away several times a day and im sure it was adding up. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 02:03:00 PM
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Oh, Ryan. You never fail to amuse. Excellent detective work. I'd consider that pretty irrefutable proof that they're the same person.
Well Dean claims he has people working for him, so it's certainly possible BillyBurns is one. I do find it rather unlikely that he's some unbiased observer though I don't think he's Dean but if you look at my post history I quoted a post from him where he was fed up with him and implied he's a scammer. It didn't take long for him to go from that to defending him. That could be for whatever reason... Edit: here I wonder where things went wrong. He had such a good website back in the day and I'm really grateful for that. He always was a little miscalibrated but intentions were good. Then something just plummeted off of the deep end during the bear market I guess. GG
He went broke trading alt coins, according to him he was tired of alt coiners making more gains than him so he started trading and he got liquidated for everything, this is not a lie I was told to keep hush but I ain't letting this dude get away with another scam, my 30k is long gone. Now the interesting thing is to speculate is if he used ico funds to gamble on is bitmmex acc or otc trades. Fromm y point of view since the inception of Ico it seems he is doing everything in his power for it to fail. Yeah I did say that and Dean saw that post and emailed me and I talked to him. All the information I was getting was speculation since nobody had any proof, I was angry at the time and came in here spewing because I was mad. When Dean emailed me I told him i was mad that the site seemed to be regressing games taken away, chat removed, exchange was made it seemed only for us to dump on it really did seem at the time he was sabotaging the site. He told me changes were coming and he is working as hard as he can to make it right. I told him I hope that was true, then a few weeks went buy and I noticed changes, site was looking the best it ever had, he even was answering noobs questions, chat came back. That was good enough for me to see that things were going in the right direction for once. Then I came back here and started reading all this non sense by all these users who don't know the difference between "Proof" and "speculation" and state "Opinions" as "Facts" all day everyday for a very long time. It's funny to me, all these troll accounts act as if they care for the players or investors, but from what I have seen going on the people hurting the investors the most are the troll accounts here that are spreading "speculations" as :Truths:. Does anyone here think Dean is altering the rolls? Does Anyone here think he will exit scam on the current crowd funded bankroll? Does anybody here think Dean is to incompetent to secure player funds? |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 12:40:29 PM
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Your detective work is very, very poor. That's funny, coming from someone who claims JollyGood is game-protect, and claims asche is likely to be marlboroza. Likely alt. Perhaps BetKing.io should change that negative on my trust page and edit it with "likely alt of asche"  Look at my bad merit/trust, I don't deserve this. You abusers gave it to me and I would like to see one person justify it. You have no red trust from any DT-member. JollyGood is excluded by 2 DT1-members: Looks like someone logged in to wrong account. Btw, BillyBurns recently sent positive trust this to scammer:  Thanks for negative trust. See how willingly you gave it to me, what is the reason? |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 09:58:54 AM
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Oh, Ryan. You never fail to amuse. Excellent detective work. I'd consider that pretty irrefutable proof that they're the same person.
This is the problem with these trolls, you consider that pretty irrefutable proof... When your making some pretty big accusations. I would hate for your opinion to be at the hands of another human being on trial. You don't have the ability to look at things objectively, you want Dean to be me so you will let your subjective feelings cloud your judgement. This post by you show's that your claims should have little credability in the future. Rhavar should have 100% not posted this, he should have tried to get in contact with me and explain what he had and ask me to verify or give him proof. I'm sure he was sitting there feeling so gleeful as he compiled his circumstancial evidence. So proud to unleash his findings. Quoting devans, I'm not a judge, nor am I the internet police. My opinion doesn't matter. People are smart and are free to make their own assumptions. All I will say is, for the intents and purposes of this discussion, which to me is nothing but entertainment since I have no stakes in the situation, I have no doubt that you are Dean (thanks to the evidence that RHavar provided). If I did have some stake in the matter, or if I was in a jury, then I'd probably have a closer look, but since that's not the case, and seeing that I don't have a burning desire to waste time on scammers like you guys, I'll pass on that. irrefutable LOL, btw I enjoyed your youtube video was A+ well done. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 09:16:44 AM
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Your detective work is very, very poor. That's funny, coming from someone who claims JollyGood is game-protect, and claims asche is likely to be marlboroza. However what you are doing is bordering on doxing someone else just because they post about the site? That is terrible behaviour and surely is against the forum rules. If someone posts something by himself, analyzing the screenshot isn't considered doxing. Instead of getting off on the little fame you get from these trolls worshipping you why don't you stick to your retirement with your gf and your bike?
Or is selling btc too hard for you too still since running from the US? Please refrain from going off-topic.
Screenshot of BetKing.io's recently Sent feedback:  I love the trust abuse. Very mature!
Disclaimer: Note that meriting a post doesn't necessarily mean I agree with the post. It means the post is worth reading, and in this case can also mean it's worth reading because it says a lot about the person posting it.
BillyBurns: I don't think you're Dean's alt account. But know that users have been tagged for promoting scams before, and since the consensus is that BetKing's ICO turned into a scam, it's probably time to stop promoting the site. concensus? Consensus by who? The guys that think that was irrefutable evidence? Or the guys who think breaking forum rules day after day is kool because they can get away with it, or the guys who make claims as facts when all they have is speculation? The only scam I know of is the fact you guys are all teamed up breaking rules on a witch hunt, Look at my bad merit/trust, I don't deserve this. You abusers gave it to me and I would like to see one person justify it. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [tagged in red] BetKing.io broke ICO promise and dropped token value 99%
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on: March 23, 2019, 08:34:40 AM
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You jumped to wrong conclusions if u want to have a chat with me on skype lets go. Witch hunt is unreal, I'll prove I'm not Dean in like 500 million ways. With all that investigated work I would expect nothing less than accepting the challenge! Like same OS that dean uses and multi-monitor setup (ok, that's weak...). Windows and two monitors really?..... We see files we wouldn't expect an end-user of BK to have:
https://i.imgur.com/mdoEjwH.pngYeah that's because I made threads in other forums An interesting email address:
https://i.imgur.com/HWGUO shit a fan of anarcho capitalism not many of those involved in bitcoin or gambling sites Which got banned from bitcoin.com for spamming betking Grin (and using a VPN too, like Dean says he does)O man he used a vpn GOT HIM! So do like 70% of the other people on dice sites And keen interest in betking (ok, weak...): https://i.imgur.com/HWGUraG.png That's because I made the threads Shares the same interest in boxing and sports betting as Dean:Whats the demographic for the avg dice user? I'm going to guess male... between the ages of 18-35, whats the demographic of a fight fan? Im guessing male...... and ages of 18-35 Uses the same programs as I know Dean to use:
https://i.imgur.com/lvGXg7g.png This makes sense because betking didn't have a bunch of poker pros around, and steam is so very rare. Now this is interesting, we can deduce he is in same timezone as Dean by comparing against the bet he's viewing in UTC
https://i.imgur.com/POB3wN8.png[img]No idea what this is, but it caught my eye:[img]https://i.imgur.com/lvGXg7g.pngI don't know exactly what your talking about here but all I know is i have west coast time so do like approx 50 million other people And I suspect not many users have a betking chrome profile: https://i.imgur.com/wj1sfMN.pngmy profile could be a egg, it could be blank, it could be a bk profile it doesn't matter what it is the email does its job even if it is a picture of a pile of poop Conclusion - You guys all out for a witch hunt and it's clearly obvious you all want to see Dean fail and find anything bad you can out about him, not to help other people not help yourself but only see him suffer.
Oh, Ryan. You never fail to amuse. Excellent detective work. I'd consider that pretty irrefutable proof that they're the same person.
This is the problem with these trolls, you consider that pretty irrefutable proof... When your making some pretty big accusations. I would hate for your opinion to be at the hands of another human being on trial. You don't have the ability to look at things objectively, you want Dean to be me so you will let your subjective feelings cloud your judgement. This post by you show's that your claims should have little credability in the future. Rhavar should have 100% not posted this, he should have tried to get in contact with me and explain what he had and ask me to verify or give him proof. I'm sure he was sitting there feeling so gleeful as he compiled his circumstancial evidence. So proud to unleash his findings. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: New BetKing.io - New token - Daily buybacks - Bet Mining - Hourly Leaderboard
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on: March 22, 2019, 11:57:43 PM
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You can buy BKT on https://betking.io, newdex.io and chaince.com We will be listed on a few more exchanges soon When you'll get listed on more exchanges, is it announced in here or not? I think it's also a good idea to announce it here since there are forum users who are waiting to know where can they buy BKT just like the one you just answered. I'm also curious why that person ask where to buy BKT since the obvious answer is the site where BKT is used to bet to play. It will be announced in this thread and probably the chat within website. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site
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on: March 22, 2019, 11:50:58 PM
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Here is an update to the Trust given by community members .... with great pleasure and great delight I feel happy to present the latest Trust ratings for the 4 user names in the OP associated with scammer Dean Nolan that represent the betking scam:      Accounts involvedBetKing.io ( -254) BetKing Support ( -128) PocketRocketsCasino ( -126) dean nolan ( -64) |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: BETKING & DEAN NOLAN: Disastrous Reputation! Read This Reddit Post.
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on: March 22, 2019, 11:28:41 PM
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1 thread please, you were asked to please keep it to 1 thread by Rhavar.
Amazing the criminal acts you are doing day in day out with lies and propaganda, why no mods of this forum care that you break rules everyday? I pm'd them they did not even give me a response. Makes me wonder if you have ties with them.....
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Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit – The original crash game
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on: March 21, 2019, 08:51:03 PM
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Hi guys, Any idea when the Investors will be credited for those suspicious bets/losses yesterday? As it stands, the Bankroll is in the same place still. I'm going to have to pull my money from the BankRoll otherwise  Way too risky if this sort of thing can just happen and we're left holding the bag. Read some post's next time the site owner said he will credit everyone + dilution fee in 1-2 days. |
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