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the fact that the team keeps posting here but ignores everyones questions is by itself explanatory of what they intend. scam allover the place. I just saw an elephant entering the kitchen while posting this
I wouldn't call it "SCAM"... impressive team behind this project. They just seem to be more (if not only) focused on Chinese market and community. I still didn't 100% got what is the reason behind that strange strategy though  |
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Still working by yourself Ohad? isn't time to add some members to help you with such ambition? you are risking to get left behind by the time you will finish the work
right now except myself there are four more people helping me finishing the presentation and paper Timing might be crucial here. There are much better solutions and technologies today but most of the corporate world use Microsoft. Same can be with Etherium, Tezos or some other pioneer environment. The more projects adopt it at first the harder going to be for the other players to get inn. So Microsoft wise, we are in 80's now... Is the revolution might happen without us Ohad?  Or any other project simply wont be able to resist to move to tau (taking in account all the advantages)? Is this technically going to be possible/easy for them? note that many of the winners were not the first apple came before microsoft (who stole apple's ideas), and before google there were many search engines that the young here never encountered their name. on the presentation i'll reveal a whole new theory of computer-aided discussions as the basis of tau, so possible competitors will have to wait till then in order to begin the race it's even way beyond the old tau The revolution can't happen without us. We are the revolution!!!  Jokes aside, looking forward for the presentation. It might be very powerful to see some working code at the time of the presentation and white paper release. |
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Still working by yourself Ohad? isn't time to add some members to help you with such ambition? you are risking to get left behind by the time you will finish the work
right now except myself there are four more people helping me finishing the presentation and paper Timing might be crucial here. There are much better solutions and technologies today but most of the corporate world use Microsoft. Same can be with Etherium, Tezos or some other pioneer environment. The more projects adopt it at first the harder going to be for the other players to get inn. So Microsoft wise, we are in 80's now... Is the revolution might happen without us Ohad? Or any other project simply wont be able to resist to move to tau (taking in account all the advantages)? Is this technically going to be possible/easy for them? |
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tau is not neural net. we'll reach skynet once we implement a neural net over tau (easy) and train it (hard).
the direct training of tau is not by machine learning methods but more like "rule based AI" methods
we will have an intelligent social network for not only serious stuff, but also for fun.
Is this to quotes can be combined? Decentralized AI that we going to train all together in a kind of game? you're getting there.. not fully though, here Finally I am getting somewhere, and I am not the laziest one... , some could give up every team will "train" (collaboratively and comuter-aided-ly build a theory) their own project.
in parallel to that, every person/profile will have their own theory, perspective, built from their own sources, and by agreeing/disagreeing to others, etc.
add to that the special root team, which defines the system itself.
then we can use the machine to query theories, or prove assertions, or discover new knowledge, or check consistency, or calculate the consensus, or synthesize a model/program that admits a theory/spec...
can ask the following question:
how can one make sense of thousands of people giving advice on how to build a specific software?
tau is all about that.
Hmm... Can't even imagine where it can get us. It's like with the time bringing all the world's knowledge in one place and having power and abilities to properly sort it, operate it and constantly grow and improve it. Is it something that already tested? Can you estimate when the first code will be ready? The idea is amazing, and clearer now. thank you Ohad for your efforts!!! |
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Tau needs a use case and just market that. Ethereum use case was smart contracts. To me, Tau "main" use case is Artificial Intelligence. Market AI when talking about Tau. Maybe even change the name to something cool and robotic like "Skynet".  indeed an important motivation of tau, is to bring the power of AI to everyone altogether (and by everyone altogether), rather to be held by centralized entities Decentralized AI it's the whole different story! Skynet has some bad connotations though In my opinion, right branding and marketing it's very important, maybe even the most important part. No doubt, tau needs the right story that can spread the idea, story that solves needs or wants of people. Most of the crypto projects today are not even close to the ideas of tau but with the right marketing some of them succeed in wrapping it in a very desirable package, the result of it is attention and investments. In case of tau that could be 100% authentic story because the value that tau can give to the world is truly game changing. tau is not neural net. we'll reach skynet once we implement a neural net over tau (easy) and train it (hard).
the direct training of tau is not by machine learning methods but more like "rule based AI" methods
we will have an intelligent social network for not only serious stuff, but also for fun.
Is this to quotes can be combined? Decentralized AI that we going to train all together in a kind of game? |
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The "tau" or "root" team will define the rules of changing the rules?
will define the code of the platform itself. changing the rules is a mechanism to occur in all teams over tau. The very first of those rules will be defined from alpha?
on our new design, all rules can be changed whatsoever in case of consensus, no matter whether they contradict an old rule or not. this is a deeper level of self-amendment comparing to the initial design. you can even replace the whole tau's code, the logic, everything. If the "tau" or "root" team will define the code of the platform itself, then I did't get if that mechanism of changing the rules occurs in all teams except "root"? Changes in the rules of particular team by consensus there some how influence the "root"- the whole platform? Can you provide some very simple use case example? Maybe even with comparison of same use case in Etherium, if it even can be compared. not sure i understood (maybe has to do with the rule-by-rule or contract-draft-by-draft as in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950309.msg17799590#msg17799590 recalling that replacing the whole contract draft is like replacing the whole client's code so it can be totally different), every team can change their own rules, or equivalently their own [pre-]theory, and if the team happens to be designing code, then they can agree that the spec is ready and then synthesize code from the spec and run it. but they won't be able to change the code of the platform (tau) itself. for that, a specific team (root/tau) will be created. the root team will have a huge influence on the platform, and theoretically they can destroy all other teams and the whole thing. if something is amendable, then it can change to something completely different. to bootstrap final tau's process, we will have a team over the alpha that supports programs, and over it we will construct a self-amending decentralized program (tau), after we all take into considerations the security of the system. so the final construct will not begin empty as planned from the beginning, but on the other hand, it won't begin arbitrary, but begin with rules under consensus derived over previous alphas. i don't think it's comparable to eth. eth is by no means self-defining or self-amending. Maybe similar to Dfinity. It's Ethereum plus a new type of consensus mechanism plus the blockchain nervous system. The BNS is basically a super user AI (with op codes that can alter any parameters) coordinated by a liquid democracy/futarchy. I'm pretty excited about it. Reminded me a little of Tau. Yes, it's understood that the self-defining and self-amending are the main thing here. But I refer to eth just in purpose of better understanding from my non tech beginner point of view. I am trying to visualize the tau without getting too much into how it technically happens. Your example with facebook was very helpful for visualizing but facebook is also not self-defining and self-amending. If you want the largest possible audience to actually read the paper it has to draw the right picture in target audence minds. I don't even understand in full how exactly etherium works but I for sure understand it better than tau for now, I understand the advantages of etherium and smart contracts and what it can bring to the world. After I got familiar with Tauchain I realized that there is a limitations in etherium, and tau is trying to brake those limitations. I am sure I am not alone at that level of understanding, the comment of ryvirath above proofs that. Is it right to say that the "self-amending decentralized program (tau)" is equivalent of eth's virtual machine? Teams over tau can create smart contracts collaboratively in a very innovative way, using a new consensus mechanism (contract-draft-by-draft) that prevents paradoxes and contradictions. What happens next? How and where self-amending happens? How blockchain involved here? What is the structure? Maybe you're right and eth it's not the right example, then what could be the right one? Nomic, the process of theory formation and so on it's very interesting but something is missing here, it should be warped in something that makes it sound simple. I am just trying to be helpful here and represent some fraction (maybe even significant one) of the target audience that going to read that paper. |
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The "tau" or "root" team will define the rules of changing the rules?
will define the code of the platform itself. changing the rules is a mechanism to occur in all teams over tau. The very first of those rules will be defined from alpha?
on our new design, all rules can be changed whatsoever in case of consensus, no matter whether they contradict an old rule or not. this is a deeper level of self-amendment comparing to the initial design. you can even replace the whole tau's code, the logic, everything. If the "tau" or "root" team will define the code of the platform itself, then I did't get if that mechanism of changing the rules occurs in all teams except "root"? Changes in the rules of particular team by consensus there some how influence the "root"- the whole platform? Can you provide some very simple use case example? Maybe even with comparison of same use case in Etherium, if it even can be compared. |
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Would someone kindly type out step by step directions for transferring from bittrex to Omni for offline storage?
1. Go to omniwallet.org 2. Create wallet 3. Go to myaddresses --> add address --> create new address 4. Sen your Agoras from bittrex address to address you just created. 5. You can use this explorer omnichest.info to track the transaction We use regular bitcoin addresses to send and store Agoras. After you receive your tokens you will see Agoras on your Omni wallet under the bitcoin address you created. Theoretically you can send also bitcoins or any other coins that runs on Omni layer (like Synereo's AMP for example) to the same address. You will see all of them under same bitcoin address. For offline storage Omni's FAQ and this https://github.com/OmniLayer/omniwallet/wiki/Armory-Offline-Addresses might help |
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The whole success of Apple vs Nokia was UI/UX.
but never forget: tau will be self defining and self amending. everything will be changeable over time. we will have what we'll call "teams" (like "groups" on facebook), and one team will be called "tau" or "root", and whenever there's a post under consensus there, the system will (almost) automatically reorganize itself to admit the new requirement. this in full, only on the final tau, not on the alphas. however, computer-assisted collaborative design of tau (or any other project who wants to use it) will begin from the first alpha. (again i shortened something that deserves a lot more explanation) The "tau" or "root" team will define the rules of changing the rules? Consensus means not contradicting with those rules? The very first of those rules will be defined from alpha? Anyways.. I probably should hold my horses until the white paper will be released, you shortened in a much more human readable language and it's great that the white paper will be written in the same language |
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ok well let me continue a little bit: what if facebook could understand what's written in every post? what features could we do with that? that sounds so big that we don't even know where to begin. but no one yet knows how to do it. that doesn't mean that we have to postpone this dream. let's just use simple enough english (i.e. human readable representation of logic like Attempto Controlled English) that the machine can understand. that'd basically be the first alpha (with a lot more to say, here's a terribly initial design of the menus that i sketched in 5 mins just to make a point to someone http://tauchain.org/layout.html ), while from there to self-defining decentralized collaborative development platform, the way is short. at least from the average user's perspective. Hmm.. That is huge!!! Than indeed (if I got it right), at least some significant part of the white paper will be focused more on that "simple enough, human readable english that the machine can understand", the structure and the use cases, while leaving in behind for more tech advanced user the actual process of how it actually happens. My first thought is: all this should (MUST) be wrapped in VERY good UI/UX design, from the best of the best in the industry. The whole success of Apple vs Nokia was UI/UX. |
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I participated in preICO now I cant login with my user and password on the website
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The period of Agoras ICO is too long. Ohad should set a deadline for his fund-raising and destroy the unsold Agoras.
If you Agoras investors support that, pls urge Ohad to do it.
I think the tokens sold until now can be considered as pre-ICO for early investors, to end the PRE ICO at some point and start the real ICO with deadline and price increase, starting with a higher price (fair price for all investors, direct buy and bittrex ) could be a good solution. But it can be done only after a well written white paper,website, marketing strategy and obviously some working code is ready. Could be nice to see some road map for this project. |
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Can anyone show the steps to store the ágora tokens on a bitcoincore wallet?
better use omnicore wallet (from omnilayer.org). anyway you can receive tokens into an address generated by bitcoincore and then import that address into omni wallet Ohad, are you the only developer working on this coin?
yes, but that's true only very temporarily. It seems like it is very large in scope. Perhaps, larger than maidsafe? And they have worked on it for years. Curious on your thoughts.
the whole point of tau's initial development is to supply very few features that doesn't even matter. what matters is that we can collaboratively program the system *after* it's alive. from there we will build the state of the art altogether. to reach this critical mass doesn't take much, it needs to be a tiny yet perfect engine Why is it called chain? Its a puff, not a chain. I see u are on ur own way hyping this rubbish, but the truth is, u dont hold any interest in it. All u do is sign in to ur account and shout around every corner whats good and whats not for tau economy. Do u reckon anyone would trust ur opinion? Nope. U are too arrogant to once again admit that u got burned on tau and that left a disruptful impact on ur mental and physical health. Dont quit ur day job, u are far from being done here. Today u are a raving tau supporter, tomorrow u are a pocket change chaser, but admitting that is a big boy trait. Beware, sharks like me dont like when someone steps in their comfort zone, we are gonna bite hard those ignorants. All u need to do is give up and stop poking tau, otherwise u would call a misery on ur head, and not only that. I would of told u this earlier if u were online. Hmmm... Mr. Shark... Just wondering what reaction you expect to that garbage you just thrown here, how is that helps the project? If you afraid being a little uncomfortable in your comfort zone what are you doing here? Do your 9 to 6 work and unsubscribe from this thread, would be much more comfortable for you... I do believe in this project and I took my risks into account when I invested in it. |
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Hi Ohad, It looks like this project: www.aeternity.com is very similar to Tau, they also aiming to be "Turing complete" and trying to solve the decidability problem by somehow implementing the decentralized "oracle machine"... I might be wrong though, I am not a tech so they Scientific Whitepaper is chinese for me |
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I am invested in this project and I believe that indeed it can make a significant change. I am relatively new to this and I never was involved in discussions on this tread or on the whole forum in general but there is a point that I want to deliver here. Ohad very talented and brilliant tech guy, I am sure he knows what he does and he is very dedicated to the project but at this point it looks like he is struggling to tell the right story to the masses and as a result this project is the most underestimated on crypto community today, Golem it's a very good proof to that point. to be honest i dont think that ethereum will hold for too long due to its turing complete nature. indeed golem evolved into something that looks like specific cuts from zennet
That is probably true and they indeed may still have "major design issues" an so on... The fact is: THEY COLLECTED 8,2 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN 20 MINUTES Which means, from a regular, non tech investor point of view: 1. the Golem's idea is clearer, they marketing telling the story in the right language that investors understand 2. the branding and website design is much better 3. there is a serious team working on the project My question to Ohad is: Is there already, or you are looking for some talented marketing/brending/design people to join the project, some one who can brake down the whole major value points of this project and create out of them very good, understandable and persuading story that speaks directly to the target audience. Thank you |
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