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1  Economy / Gambling discussion / How fair is Provably Fair? Do you verify every bet as a gambler? on: February 21, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
Provably Fair Script is one of the basic element of online gambling, especially for crypto based casinos. However, most of the gamblers don't give dime about it while some don't even know what is it and how it operates. I started crypto gambling in 2016 and didn't know about Provably Fair for most of my initial gambling days. But believe me in the absence of Provably Fair, you are not gambling, you are just being cheated by the house.

The basic idea of this thread is to share my views on PF script and how to make most out of it. I have spent few weeks developing unique logic for Provably Fair script for upcoming gambling site clubbing it with blockchain technology. While developing it, I visited around 20 casinos and tried their PF script to understand current practice. However, this thread is not about my script but about current practice.

If you are in this section, you probably have heard about Provably Fair script and may be verifying your bets too. But have you ever tried to understand the logic behind it? If not, let me give a brief explanation on how Provably Fair system works.

Different gambling sites use different Provably Fair implementation however the basic idea is to generate a random number based on three factors: client seed, server seed and nonce.

Client seed: It can be anything. It is up to player to choose anything as his client seed. For example, I can use 'webtricksClientSeed' as my client seed or 'thisIsMyRandomClientSeed'. However, while choosing client seed make sure three things:
(i) Always choose new seed for new bet (never try same client seed with new server seed).
(ii) Don't choose easily identifiable seeds like I mentioned above (close your eyes and type random numbers and alphabets. I do like this and it works Cheesy).
(iii) Site will generate random client seed for you but don't use it. Always choose your own.

Server Seed: It is generated by server. Server will choose random string of random length and convert it to sha256 hash which will provided to you. For example, if server picks 'thisIsRandomSeed' as server seed then this will be provide you: 45006cccc7e44ee0b6c0752469de2fe1ad6bff589fb789bfb60773224cf2cc0a.
Since sha256 is one-way hashing you will know sha256 hash before making bet but you cannot decipher server seed before betting. The site will show you unhashed server seed once you change your seeds. Then you can verify that the sha256 hash of server seed is similar to what was presented to you before bet.

Nonce: In context of Provably Fair, nonce is mostly regarded as the number of times you have made bet with the combination of same client and server seed. For example, if I make two bets with 'ClientSeed' as client seed and 'ServerSeed' as server seed then the result of bet will be generated on the basis of 'ClientSeed+1+ServerSeed' for first bet and 'ClientSeed+2+ServerSeed' for second bet.

Here is graphical illustration of what I just said:


(Some people say my drawings are as good as Picasso's.)

Now coming to how results are driven from these seeds. As I said earlier, different sites use different logic to determine result. However, there is one basic logic which is being used by around 80% of the casinos, notably Fortunejack, PrimeDice, Bitsler etc. This is how it works:

Step 1: First of all let's assume three variables. Server seed = 'ServerSeed', client seed = 'ClientSeed' and nonce = 1. Now we have to use hmac authentication by hashing our variables using sha512 hashing algorithm. Server seed will serve as a secret key to generate hash while client seed and nonce will be used as an input like this: 'ClientSeed-1' or 'client seed - nonce'.

Step 2: So the hash of the above seeds will look like this: 671e7387e26fa724d089521805430866b29f6849ad2928a26e5ed01101f72f57883b972f20f9464 d99ab13c2adcf37bd955863c69697739628d70969adba1ab3

Step 3: Not going into technical term and by simply sticking to layman's language, we have to take first 5 characters of hash i.e. 671e7. Now we have to convert these 5 characters from hex value to integer value which will be: 422375.

Step 4: If the integer value is between 0 and 1million (1,000,000) then it's ok. But if it is more than or equal to 1M then we will use next 5 characters from hash. But since in our case, 422375 is less than 1000000 so this number will determine the result.

Step 5: In this step, we will simply divide the value with 10000 and take the remainder for next step. In our case, 422375 when divided by 10000 will leave 2375 in remainder which will be consider for final step.

Step 6: In this step, we will simply divide the remainder by 100 and this will determine the final result. In our case it will be 23.75. This should match the dice roll. If not then site is most probably cheating you.



Now coming to the most important part. Probably this part is the main reason why I created this thread. Although, the above system is foolproof but site owners can easily fool you if you ain't paying enough attention. So here are the few points you should consider while gambling:

(i) Always copy server seed hash shown to you before betting.
(ii) After bet is complete, create new client seed. Make sure server seed is also changed along with it.
(iii) Once new client seed is created, site will show you unhashed server seed of previous bet. Copy it and convert it to sha256 hash using some third party online tool.
(iv) Match the server seed hash that you copied in step (i) to the one generated in step (iii) and make sure both are exactly same.

Two days ago, I tested my code with few people. I shown them different server seed hash before bet and after bet I kept first 6 characters same, last 3 characters same and few similar characters in the middle. It took just 30-40 seconds for my machine to generate such hash. With more powerful machine, I can speed up the process and create more matching characters. To my surprise, none of the tester noticed that they were shown different server hash before and after bet. It is human tendency that they only consider few letters (probably starting and ending ones) when presented random word like hexadecimal hash. So with bare eyes, no one was able to notice the difference. So be safe and make sure you verify every bet you make. Being a coding enthusiast, I can assure you that it is very much possible that house can easily manipulate results without player even noticing.

Another thing you can do is to use cross-casinos verification. For example, Fortunejack and Bitsler use same script, you can verify your fortunejack bets using bitsler's verification script.
2  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread on: February 19, 2020, 08:54:02 PM
Leipzig playing amazing football. No wonder why Bundesliga is so close this season.

Are we gonna see 3 German sides in quarterfinals? Well it seems like unless Tottenham can bring back their luck element in final minutes like previous season.
3  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE ART RAFFLE] - Custom Bolivar Art 100 Spot Mega Raffle!! on: February 19, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
Nice. Congratulations.
I choose 67
4  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread on: February 18, 2020, 06:44:22 PM
At last Champions League is back! I am already having mental orgasm.

1. Parlay on Atletico and PSG (total odd: 8.41) Checked

2. Aligned and charged both of mine laptops side-by-side to enjoy both games Checked

3. Chilled two cans of Redbull to survive till 3:25 AM. Checked

Bringgg it on UEFA, I am ready



5  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: BitcoinNews.com's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: February 18, 2020, 06:16:29 PM
Yeah, momentum is never taken into consideration either. A similar thing happened for Real Madrid a while back. I can't remember what game it was but a player struggled to stop and clashed into Marcelo and knocked him over and the goal that was scored after was disallowed because of it. It was ridiculous.

I think you are talking about the champions league game between Real Madrid and PSG. Although it wasn't a goal but red card to Courtois and penalty to PSG. But later on VAR ruled out the card and penalty and Real got free-kick due to Gueye foul on Marcelo in build-up near half-way line.
6  Other / Meta / Re: Gangs of BitcoinTalk :) on: February 18, 2020, 06:09:27 PM
LoL! And people ask me what do you find so interesting at Bitcointalk. Compare your dumb forum's posts with ours and you find the difference.
7  Local / India / Re: Zebpay: New policies, new management, and new beginning? on: February 18, 2020, 05:42:53 PM
During thier initial days they were top of the game and i really liked their voucher system but slowly they discontinued it  but they had fast processing services. It is good that they have comeback and now they have a big competitor i.e wazirx and it is dominating right now so in order to compete with it lets see what new promotion stuff they do.

But the thing is Zebpay isn't stepping into fiat trading for now. All they providing is wallet service and crypto to crypto trade. On top of that they are also charging 0.0001 BTC if you don't do any trade during the month. Since we can do crypto-to-crypto trade on any international exchange like Binance, I don't think Zebpay's return is any mega event.

If they decide to offer some kind of fiat trading via P2P in future only then they can really possess serious competition to WazirX else no chance.
8  Local / Off-Topic (India) / Re: Citizenship Amendment Bill and NRC - Good or bad for India? on: February 18, 2020, 05:31:32 PM
From what I have read and seen regarding this subject, it is a highly contentious issue in India. So many people of all ages and religions are demonstrating in many cities against this bill by protesting peacefully by arranging sit ins.

Things are not as simple as they seem from distance. No doubt thousands of Indians have protested against CAA during last 70 days. But most of the genuine protests are now over. Whatever left now is orchestrated drama from opposition parties and communists. One of the most prominent destination of protest currently is Shaheen Bagh. It is clearly evident that protesters there are paid certain amount and free food daily.

Protests during December had great success and they put government on backfoot regarding NRC. As a result, government decided not to bring NRC into picture for now. Story over! But some people still keep on dragging protest for no reason. It won't take much intelligence to figure out that current protest is more of a propaganda than serious rebel. 

By the way,
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POLL: Ronaldo or Messi?
Messi obviously! Cheesy
9  Local / Alt Coins (India) / Re: [ANN] GOLD -गोल्ड द्वारा पहले 100% लिक्विड स्टैबिलाइक ê on: February 18, 2020, 05:15:33 PM
सोने की कीमत का पूर्वानुमान

कनाडाई बैंक CIBC के अनुसार, बाहरी दबाव कारकों के लिए सोने का प्रतिरोध वर्ष के अंत तक महत्वपूर्ण प्रतिरोध स्तर को पार करने में मदद करेगा, क्योंकि मौसमी मांग बढ़ती है। अगले दो वर्षों में सोने की कीमत बढ़कर 1,600 डॉलर प्रति औंस हो जाएगी।

बैंक के विश्लेषकों का मानना है कि कमोडिटी और रियल एसेट की वैश्विक मांग का विस्तार होता रहेगा क्योंकि दुनिया की अर्थव्यवस्था धीमी हो जाती है। अमेरिकी फेडरल रिजर्व की ढील मौद्रिक नीति और 2% से नीचे वास्तविक ब्याज दरों में गिरावट से सोने को और समर्थन मिलेगा। विश्लेषकों के अनुसार, क्यू 4 2019 में सोने की औसत कीमत 1,500 डॉलर प्रति औंस होगी, जो अगले दो वर्षों में बढ़कर 1,600 डॉलर हो जाएगी।

मैं इस खबर की पुष्टि करता हूँ। यदि बाजार का आंकलन किया जाए तो ये स्पष्ट है कि सोने की कीमत इस वर्ष करीब 5 -10 % तक बढ़ सकती है। परन्तु समस्या यह है कि असली सोना घर में या बैंक में रखना जोखिम भरा हो सकता है। ऐसे में 'गोल्ड स्टोरेज' प्रोजेक्ट इस समस्या को बहुत ही सुन्दर ढंग से सुलझाता है। प्रत्येक गोल्ड टोकन का दाम 1 ग्राम सोने के बराबर है और इतना ही सोना प्रोजेक्ट ने अपने वॉल्ट में रखा हुआ है। वॉल्ट में रखा सोना इस बात की पुष्टि करता है कि टोकन का दाम सदैव सोने के बराबर रहे।
इन टोकन को आप अपने एथेरेयम एड्रेस पर सुरक्षित रख सकते हैं। चोरी का डर भी नहीं और समय के साथ कीमत भी बढ़ती रहेगी।

यदि आप इस प्रोजेक्ट के बारे में अधिक जानना चाहे तो कभी भी मुझे PM कर सकते हैं।

और OP के लिए सुझाव है: हिंदी में अनुवाद करते समय इस बात का ध्यान रखे कि कुछ शब्द अंग्रेजी में ही स्पष्ट और सरल लगते हैं जैसे कि 'परियोजना' की जगह 'प्रोजेक्ट' और 'प्रौद्योगिकी' की जगह 'तकनीक' या 'टेक्नोलॉजी'। अनुवाद का मकसद चीज़ों को सरल बनाना है न कि मुश्किल बनाना।
10  Local / Alt Coins (India) / Re: [ANN][CLOAK]CloakCoin|X13|ENIGMA|Private, Secure, Untraceable & Decentralized on: February 18, 2020, 04:59:41 PM
Dear CloakCoin team,
It's good to see that you have active thread here in Indian section but the opening post of this thread is awfully translated. I bet no one can read and understand what ever written in opening post. Not only sentence formation but even font is wrongly typed. I was in CloakCoin promotion team when you were running CloakCoin Twitter Campaign here couple of years ago. Since then I actively look towards your project and coin. If you want then I can accurately translate the opening post in Hindi. PM me in case. Smiley
11  Local / India / Re: Binance finally integrated WazirX P2P (How good is it?) on: February 18, 2020, 04:18:02 PM
Edit: I was so worried about Indian legislation around cryptos, I have never explored any Indian exchange for my trading needs. Now I realize Wazirx also added a p2p trading functionality which splendidly answered my doubt! It's a great progress indeed!

WazirX was P2P exchange right from its inception. It never been intermediary like Zebpay. The glory came for WazirX right after Zebpay closed its operation, Unocoin had its problem with ATM stuff and Coinsecure scrapped. I wonder where would WazirX have been if these three players turned towards P2P rather than having weird ending.

Just now i connected my binance account to wazirx account it has done smoothly without any problem now i can use P2p platform through binance it is going to give more value to wazirx P2p platform in coming days so better to buy wazirx tokens and hold it for long term. And i already bought some wazirx tokens i hope those tokens will give good returns for my investment.

I also tried to buy WRX tokens during IEO but my bad luck, I wasn't allotted any in final distribution. The IEO price was just $0.02 and WRX reached $0.16 after 4 days. Seriously! Coin has great potential especially because WazirX locked the supply of 110M WRX distributed to WazirX users as airdrops for trading.
12  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: BitcoinNews.com's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: February 18, 2020, 04:09:42 PM
Chelsea could have had a life if they lastest goal stood, but VAR was at the rescue for Man Utd

It's game over already, and it was only just four users who picked Man Utd to win.


Unless there are any goal from Chelsea to make it 2 - 1, I think all 4 will settle with 1.5 points each. If Utd manages to score one more goal then webtricks will need to be happy with 1 point only. But I hope we see the current scoreline after final whistle LOL

Edit:
Wait! With a 3 - 0 I think all four will get only 1 point each. Come on Utd! Score another one!!

That was close!! I had this instinct that Chelsea will have lots of chances but won't score any goal especially due to Batshuayi factor, guy can miss a goal from 5 yards literally. No wonder why he's second to Tammy.

But Chelsea really played well yesterday. I only watched first half since it was already 2:15 AM at my place but Chelsea played equally well in second half, especially two strikes from Mason Mount. However, my instinct got it right and Chelsea failed to convert any goal (although that Giroud one should have been given, offside rule shouldn't be that rude).

Chelsea fans are crying over the fact that Maguire kicked Batshuayi in the balls yet he wasn't sent off...Did he deserve a red card?

That was really cheeky from Maguire. It can be clearly seen that he intentionally raised second leg however, it did no harm. Batshuayi tried to make a heck out of it but he just got up and literally starting walking after 20 seconds like nothing happened. I don't think that was cardable offense at all. VAR was right.   

Bear in mind that Maguire scored the 2-0

More importantly, he was solid in defense. I think Man Utd could easily give away 2-3 goals if Maguire was sent off.
13  Local / India / Binance finally integrated WazirX P2P (How good is it?) on: February 17, 2020, 06:33:45 AM
Hello guys,

So this morning I received a mail from Binance stating that they finally integrated much-awaited WazirX P2P on their site. Now it was time to test what benefits we gonna get from this hot acquisition.

So first step is to connect WazirX account with Binance account. This step is quite simple, you just have to click 'WazirX Wallet' from 'Wallet' dropdown in the menu like this image below:



Then you will be redirected to WazirX website. Here you will be asked to login with your Binance account. But since you are already logged in with Binance, you just have to click proceed and enter WazirX 2FA authentication code if you set any. That's it. First step is done.

Next step involves sending USDT from Binance to WazirX. Once again, click 'WazirX Wallet' from the menu and you will redirected to a form. You just have to mention the amount of USDT you want to send to WazirX then fill 2FA code if any and finally confirm withdrawal request email confirmation.

Here comes the magic part. You will receive exact USDT as you requested in a fraction of second (almost immediately) in your WazirX account.

So the biggest takeaway from this integration is that now we Indians can sell range of cryptos with high liquidity on Binance and then send the USD to WazirX at zero fees almost immediately where we can finally convert USDT to INR at good rates.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] GOLD - First 100% Liquid Stablecoin Backed by Gold on: February 14, 2020, 02:27:34 PM
Its backed by Gold but how do I cash this out for Gold? Can I send my tokens in for grams or ounces of Gold? Who stores the Gold? What country is allowing this and what protections are provided?

I think you have already got the answers to most of your queries. However, I will address one since I think it hasn't been addressed properly.

Q. Its backed by Gold but how do I cash this out for Gold? Can I send my tokens in for grams or ounces of Gold?
A. You cannot and that's very much reasonable. You see that every GOLD Storage token is backed by equivalent amount of gold in the valet. Currently there is 9,196g of Gold which could be verified on site. So there should be equal amount of GOLD tokens, right? And yes, there are exact 9195.327 tokens currently in circulation which could be verified from here: https://etherscan.io/token/0x0d16450d347c12c086d6c94c76c5aaac35ea07e0 , Now if you convert the token for Gold, it will reduce the supply of gold from valet but the supply of tokens will remain same. This will reduce the value of tokens since there will be more tokens in circulation than the supply of gold in valet. Sooner or later, if everyone starts converting token to gold, gold will dry from the valet. Hence, it is not viable to convert the gold token to physical gold.

Also, you should know that it isn't the shiny physical metal that creates the value of Gold. But the idea that such metal is scarce and precious actually creates the sense of value in the mind of the people. This is the reason why Gold is so much valuable. Gold Token on the other hand is equivalent to the value of gold since equal amount of gold is kept in the valet. Thus, you shouldn't see the Gold Token as token but the gold itself. It is as valuable as physical gold. Holding Gold Token is 100% same as holding physical gold. It has exact same price and high liquidity.
15  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: BitcoinNews.com's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: February 14, 2020, 02:10:53 PM
I think Pep’s got to win the CL with City to have completed his objectives. Even Mancini & Pellegrini won the PL with City. To go one better he must win the CL & they look a million miles away from that right now.

Can he do it this season?

Can't say about winning the title but Man City can surely beat Real Madrid in upcoming fixtures. It might seems that Real Madrid have come in some super form as they are now top of the league and won 5 of their last league games. But that's not 100% true. If you see whole 90 minutes of Real games then you can easily spot that team is not at that level which could be seen on scoreboard. They have lots of trouble but since Barcelona have more troubles, Real have easily claimed top spot in the league for now.

If I compare the attacking options of both team, Manchester City is clearly ahead. RM's best hope Benzama have just scored single goal in his last 8 games. But Eden Hazard is looking fit and hopefully return in RM squad before first leg. Only his presence could bring difference to Real else I am 80% sure that Man City will win the round.

I am thinking to bet in parlays, 4 of them with 2 matches in each. It would be interesting this way. What about you?
16  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Random coin picks experiment on: February 13, 2020, 03:09:09 PM
In the bull market, any altcoin can pump anytime. It happens all the time. Look at recent pumps of BSV, HBAR, XVG etc. No matter what factors lie behind these pumps it happens.

I don't know which coin will be pumping next and I don't trust any trading advisors, gurus, twitter stars. So I came up with a simple solution that satisfies me for now, but I need some advice to improve it.

It will be round by round investments. Each round has own duration and profit goals. For now, I think about max 1 month and min 100% ROI. I wrote a script for choosing random coins (X) from the list of coins with mark cap >= 100m (Y). X is planned to be somewhere between 2 and 5 coins. I plan to distribute the budget evenly. The goal is to keep everything as simple as possible.

I appreciate any improvements and advice on my strategy.

I don't know how this strategy gonna help you earn more. At the end of the day you are just choosing coins on the basis of random selection. No doubt, during bull market most of the coins with large market cap have discrete rallies but it is not possible to identify them and make benefit of them by simply picking coins randomly and investing in them for specific period.

You need another variable so to make choice of coin a bit more organized. I will give you an example, you can think of something similar: Why not add another variable Z which is the number of times a coin has been mentioned on Twitter. For example, Zb i.e. number of times #Bitcoin or $BTC mentioned on Twitter is 5K whereas Ze i.e. number of times #Ethereum or $ETH being mentioned on twitter is 3K during last hour. Now if Zb rises by 50% in next hour, it shows that people have started talking more about Bitcoin on twitter which maybe due to sudden price rise.

You can make bot to shift investment into that coin as it may indicate the upcoming rally. Well this was just a random suggestion, you can think of something more accurate. I just trying to make point that choosing random coins will do more evil than good.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] GOLD - First 100% Liquid Stablecoin Backed by Gold on: February 12, 2020, 05:56:18 PM
Although this may be answered previously but I would like to know how GOLD token maintains its value similar to gold price. For example, on Bitforex the current price of GOLD/BTC pair is around 0.005 which is roughly equals to current USD value of 1g of gold i.e. $50.40. Why doesn't this price deviate significantly from gold price? Which factor is maintaining correlation between GOLD/BTC on Bitforex and gold/usd in physical market?
18  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How Bitcoin Addresses are generated? Understand the Math behind Bitcoin on: February 09, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
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Welcome to the thread. I was waiting for someone from that Russian community to finally come here and write the things rather than being cocky intellectuals in their own board. Google Translate translates Russian perfectly and I have already read everything discussed in Russian thread.

No doubt, whatever discussed among Russian folks is absolutely correct. I even made one edit already after reading reply in Russian board. If you guys have problem with any line or mistyped terminology then you are most welcome to reply here and I will correct the things. I already made 8 edits based on recommendations in the thread.

Now coming to the content of this thread. I completely disagree with the statement that this stuff is some basic bitcoin stuff. Go on and search 'Bitcoin for beginners' on Youtube and find a single video which explains the concept behind creating bitcoin address let alone the coding part. I bet you won't find any.

Secondly I am not some professional Bloomberg or BBC writer who is getting paid in K's for every article. This article contains over 21000 characters and everyone is allowed to make some conceptual mistakes when writing something that long. That's why I am open to edits.

Thirdly, I don't think mistakes highlighted is misguiding the reader at all. Technically yeah, that may be wrong a little bit but my motive was to make this thread accessible to everyone. If I just have to write the textbook terminology then Bitcoin Wiki is far better than writing own custom threads.

Lastly, picking a piece of thread may sound incorrect but read the whole thread and I cleared everything in detail as the thread progresses.
19  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: EVERYTHING that has ever happened to Bitcoin (In chronological order ⇅) on: February 09, 2020, 05:12:15 AM
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The world's largest bitcoin and cryptocurrency exchange by volume, Binance, has said "de-listed" Bitcoin SV, striking it from the exchange as of April 22 as it no longer meets the high level of standard they expect.

this was one of the big bullshits that Binance pulled last year. basically they added this shitcoin that is created and sponsored by a known scammer and kept it as long as it had high volume satisfying their pockets with the profit it gave them. as soon as that volume dropped they delisted it just like they delist any other shitcoin that loses volume but used it as a form of advertisement pretending they are doing it for other reasons (CSW being fraud,...) basically reasons that were true and well known by everyone all along!

Bitcoin SV once again is rising (in speculation of upcoming halving or it may be Craig Wright's team at work who knows). Any how, BSV is once again among top 5 coins and I won't surprise if there's change of heart from Binance once again.
20  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: February 08, 2020, 05:25:44 PM
Bayer Leverkusen will face Bourousia Dortmund in the best game of the Bundesliga journey, in my opinion Dortmund is better Than Leverkusen in this season and with Halland a goal machine I expect them to score many goals, I will bet to Dortmund to win with 3+ Goals.

3+ goals win is big ask from Dortmund, Bayer Laverkusen is no joke. However, I am also expecting Dortmund to win. Haaland guy has created new sensation. Guess what, I specially topped up my sports package to include Bundesliga too. Just because of this guy, I am going to watch BVB matches from right on too.

My prediction: Bayer 2-4 BVB
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