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261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 29, 2017, 10:58:26 PM
Greetings. Been looking into new coins and today I'm looking at DAG coins. I read the white paper which I found to be woefully inadequate for being a cryptocoin. No probability formulas. One page talking about double spend which only talked about one possible attack vector. And then I saw that it's centralized by requiring "reputable" witnesses, "captains of industry" they were called. So the only question I currently have is whether or not this coins cryptography and implemention has been peer reviewed by experts in the actual field.
Greetings,

The implementation has been reviewed by interested developers, some bugs were found and closed, the discussion of cryptography/schemes happened on this forum before the launch. Correct, it is not trust-less, requires to trust 12 honest/well-behaved/incentivized/fee-collecting nodes/entities called witnesses on the network. There is no probabilities of confirmation times or similar, a transaction can be in two states, unconfirmed or confirmed.

There has been lower amount of technical/design discussion last week due to high price and everyone clapping, its about time someone got to the technical/criticism parts again.
262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 27, 2017, 08:00:47 PM
Someone says me how to sign in to my wallet balance after i reinstall windows or i buy a new PC and install on him byteball wallet, how to sign in to my wallet balance Huh

Easy to sign the message if you are using bitcoin core wallet or online hot wallet blockchain. So which wallet you are using to store your bitcoins or send the desire amount to chatbot to link your address for next distribution.
i think you not undrerstand me.If i reinstall the windows and then install byterball wallet how i can get to my byteball balance ? I dont see any login or some secrets words to restor eaccess to my balances ?
In the Byteball wallet you have "seed backup" which gives you about 12 words to remember/write down. Then you can on another computer enter these words and it will restore your bytes balance.

However, that does not restore any blackbytes, so easiest and best way is to, on old computer (A), pair it with new computer (B) and require "1 of 2" signatures to spend. Then you can verify with small transactions from new computer (B), and then you can delete/trash the old computer.

Byteball wallet has multi-signature support built in. Which acts as a good backup.

Check in "Global settings" options for backups, you can also take a backup on a usb-memory, or encrypted full backup and save it on Google Drive for example.
263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 26, 2017, 07:46:29 PM

If the oracle lies but flightstats.com does not, you may be tricked, but in that case its open to the public and you can show that the oracle lied - hence the oracle can go to hell and nobody will use it again.


The problem is that this is anonymous oracle. It can lie once, in case it is caught simply make another wallet, and continue to lie.

The flight oracle is run by tonych so there is too much incentive for him not to lie, and he has very much already earned street cred.

Most oracles should not be anonymous though, unless you think shady deals.
264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 26, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
This leaves me with the same question I've had since I first read about smart contracts: how is the smart contract going to know what happened in real life?
From your link:
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We have an oracle that monitors flight delays.
How does this oracle know? I can believe the smart contract structure can work, so you don't need to trust any third party insurance company on this, but you now move the uncertain factor elsewhere.

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I have the same question here: what if these sites are wrong? If you rely entirely on a third party website, you're copying all possible flaws they have. How is this better than using an actual insurance company?

Don't get me wrong, I like your projects, just curious if the flaws I can think of can be prevented.
You trust the oracle, the oracle knows because it is asking/requesting the data from flightstats.com it would be possible to construct the oracle so it uses more sources, but even an normal insurance company has to trust someone to tell when a flight has landed or not.

If the oracle lies but flightstats.com does not, you may be tricked, but in that case its open to the public and you can show that the oracle lied - hence the oracle can go to hell and nobody will use it again.

Its better than an insurance company because even me and you can be the insurer now, and more transparent than dealing with them.
265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 25, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
Sorry for frequent upgrades, a new bug popped up yesterday and is fixed now, please update if you are running a full client https://github.com/byteball/byteball/releases.

It was a validation error that needs to be fixed in two steps to minimize disruption.  This is step 1, step 2 will follow after most full nodes upgrade.

Also since this release, the node automatically clears old log data to save some space (thanks @portabella!).

The update is mandatory for all full nodes (both GUI and headless).
Thanks for the frequent upgrades, better those than crickets and promises.  Wink

Remember to take rest, do not overwork, chill and relax.
266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 24, 2017, 07:39:49 PM
Of course its free and open source software, https://github.com/byteball/byteballcore

You can also see the source of the transition bot.

I see you are returning to the same tactics. I'll paraphrase his concern.

Distribution is done in a centralized manner which requires to trust tonych unless there is a way to prove cryptographically that he can't send extra byteballs to himself without being caught. So now answer this: How is it possible to make sure that tonych (or who sends the byteballs) didn't abuse his power?

Sure, but there is bigger question about future of the "self issued" coins and partial open source coins.
I am thinking if good cryptographer with many skills can find the way to issue some new byteballs?
Why the people trust Byteball?
Look - there is many bitcoin clones and still is bitcoin about 1200 US$.
Then I prefer invest to open source. But I like the idea of Byteball.

Many unclear things about Byteball for me now. Maybe Tony can make it clear.
Anyway, great project!
Technically, all the bytes are generated/created in the genesis transaction unit, for tonych to create more, would require breaking same crypto as breaking bitcoin to create more coins. The same cryptographic library is used, secp256k1.

This is not a bitcoin clone. Its not another altcoin.

He can do other bad things, since he is now in control of 12 witnesses, he could stall or destroy the network, or double spend - but such actions would be obvious to everyone looking.

I, for one, prefer to trust one main developer, one person, rather than a group with their dirty dynamics always going on, for this significant yet fragile phase of the project. As the project matures, so will many more witnesses appear and community gain their trust and revoke tonychs control of 12 witnesses, when the project is stable, then we can have drama and invest in popcorn.
267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 24, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Hi, I see that all the idea about byteball seems really good.

But:
The distribution method is not for me clear in case I cannot see source code.

Then my question is:
Is public accessible the code, how the distribution works?

In bitcoin, litecoin, etc. you can see all the code and you know, that you can mine or use other Proof-of-X in case other coins.
In this case are most (not all!) of self distributed coins flagged as scam.

Can somebody explain me how technically works distribution? Is all the code accessible?
I want invest money and buy some byteball (as investition), but little confused now.
Of course its free and open source software, https://github.com/byteball/byteballcore

You can also see the source of the transition bot.





byteball.fr
now provides hourly updated pictures of all Witnesses activity on the network.

Byteball.fr is an alternative hub (paired with master byteball.org) and community witness operated on a 300Mbps unmetered link.
To get efficient communication and faster wallet sync, or just to use our community-driven Witness:

In your wallet settings → hub set byteball.fr/bb




Nice job!

Notice, if you use a different hub, the default GUI client will pull the witness list from the hub, so the byteball.fr hub will push its witness. Just a friendly reminder.
268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 23, 2017, 12:33:34 PM
Wow, whats happening? This thing is rising fast  Wink


More and more people realize that this is a new innovative development with huge potential. People in the future will want to build timemachines to go back to this day to buy at this price.
Hopefully people and the community will stay sane, as the price increases more trolls will appear here and other places to troll and FUD.

269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 17, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
One think I am not understanding about the price...if 1 GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes and the price is $110 now. There is no way you can do transaction with Byteball right if you have 100000 bytes? Only way to do it is through GYBT? It might be a dumb question but had to ask. Sorry guys!

It's possible to do transactions of any amount above the size of the transaction fee
Well, you can send 1 byte to someone, you will just pay the transaction fee which is on average 520 bytes.
270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 17, 2017, 07:15:39 PM
Guys, can anyone help me with this error?


I hope that I don't have to delete the local chain database.
Upgrade to latest version 1.7.1
271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 15, 2017, 08:06:40 PM
can i connect more than 1 btc wallet to my byteball wallet for disturibution?
Yes, you can connect many btc addresses to the same Byteball wallet.
272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 15, 2017, 05:39:02 PM
You should add IOTA to your 2017 list Wink Its even better than byteball

Ahahahah at least this one made me laugh...
lets see i expect IOTA marketcap min 100-200M. I also hold &  support byteball
The only good iota project is this https://github.com/froggey/Iota
273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 14, 2017, 09:36:37 PM
You cant win with troll.

Now you are just changing your original question to be "what is the result of a stresstest", and if tonych actually makes a stresstest you would just say "but oh you run the stresstest with AMD Ryzen and more powerful motherboard than what is available for normal people living in Moldova".

Byteball is the first DAG-coin and that hurts your little ego since Iota is still not on any exchange and has the retarded idea of using Proof-of-Work in the space of IoT.

As more transactions are posted to the network transaction times decrease - throughput increases.

I am very interested in your IoT experience and especially the prototype mentioned, is it or will it ever be available for public study? Did you actually use the ESP8266, if so and you cant FOSS it, can you give a few pointers how one would go about implementing a light Byteball client for it, what was the biggest problem you faced?

Thank you.
We cant FOSS the prototype as parts of it are used in the current iteration, the most meaningful parts of course, which is the porting of secp256k1 library, thats basically all that was missing on current esp8266 sdks.

The other problems faced was actually understanding and working through the Byteball light-client js code, and testing.

Now for the next iteration, see the problem with ESP8266 and similar chips, Realtek has a newer almost similar but slightly faster, is the power/energy consumption.

In IoT, especially for things which are sensors, they arent usually connected to power-grid, and run on batteries. ESP8266, despite being weak ass shit in general computing, 80Mhz, if you overdo it can do 160Mhz, with 96kb ram, it still uses on average a whooping 300mAh and peaks at 800mAh. Optimize all you want but you aint gonna get a usable sensor lasting more than 6 months on 4 AA batteries, if it will report something even each 5min.

And if you put 10 000 sensors somewhere you aint gonna go replacing them all every 6 months. We need to go deeper, lower in energy used, to last years, and yet still make secure WebSocket connection and perform Byteballs ecdsa (secp256k1) and sha256, this is the current challenge and it is very fun.

ESP8266 is like a fat cow compared to whats needed.  Wink
274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 14, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
You cant win with troll.

Well, you are a newbie on this forum, otherwise you would know that I have some expertise in cryptocoins and people from the outer world approach me for consulting. I have to ask about Byteball internals (and of 10 other altcoins which are popular now) to keep the quality of my service above average level. What you perceive as trolling is part of my job.
Well, you should stop telling false information to your imaginary clients, as obviously you know nothing about Byteball, you should be a good sport, a good person like your mother tried to teach you to be, and direct people to ask in Byteball slack or Tony.
275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 14, 2017, 08:00:58 PM
Ok, let's return to this once the software is polished enough to run a stresstest. I'll stay in the old 50/50 position and will be telling that DAG/CHAIN question will be answered after the test.

You cant win with troll.

Now you are just changing your original question to be "what is the result of a stresstest", and if tonych actually makes a stresstest you would just say "but oh you run the stresstest with AMD Ryzen and more powerful motherboard than what is available for normal people living in Moldova".

Byteball is the first DAG-coin and that hurts your little ego since Iota is still not on any exchange and has the retarded idea of using Proof-of-Work in the space of IoT.

Start an issue on github if you have something to back this up with, and work it out with the dev through official channels.... github being one of the most direct way to go about it Smiley

I just need an answer. Any answer I could just link people to.


Use this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg18291320#msg18291320 as tonych gave you answer to your "scalability" question previously.
It is normal that there is no consensus (yet) about the unstable trailing part.

If we denote the interval of time between a transaction issuance and the transaction finalization (by witnesses) as confirmation time, does an average confirmation time increase monotonically if the global TPS rate increases monotonically?

PS: "Yes" would mean that SatoNatomato was wrong that DAG has no limits on scaling even if we have superpowerful hardware (but the latency still persists).

It all depends on the behavior of witnesses.  That said, it is reasonable to expect that as TPS increases, witnesses also post more frequently, therefore confirmation time decreases.  Of course, there is a lower bound defined by network latency, times number of witnesses.

As more transactions are posted to the network transaction times decrease - throughput increases.

Just pathetic CfB being pathetic.
276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 14, 2017, 05:49:06 PM
Is it safe to change the hub to byteball.fr??  I would like to see how tonych feels about this just curious and I am all for decentralization of witnesses but how does the community decides if a witness is trustworthy?

My opinion, we have to give some support to guys who run witness nodes right now, because they are bleeding their own bytes, and it is so important to decentralize the network.

Can you explain how they are bleeding their own bytes?  Is this in the case of the hub or witness?  Sorry Im new to all this
Witnesses make transactions and that costs just as any tx, if the witness isnt chosen by many in the network, itll loose more than it earns.

I see commits which add a dependency to google service, for the push notifications, not good for privacy, but have to check more.
277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 14, 2017, 01:36:25 PM


First DAG-coin. First.

It is nice to have our own dedicated troll, especially an enterprise-grade Iota-coin developer.

Ill write a short script to check any time troll is writing in this thread, then it means Byteball has done something very good, time to buy more.
278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 14, 2017, 12:08:16 PM
i hope everyone already filled out the poloniex coinrequest. After bittrex there must be a poloniex listing!!! bring it on guys!

It's also first of its kind to use DAG technology, be sure to address that in the request!
First DAG coin to actually be in livenet/production without people having to ask "developer please include my balance as it was on this date in the next milestone, look in your own books I do indeed own that much tokens" form of  deciding consensus.
279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 10, 2017, 07:49:49 PM

I am a volunteer to set up and run a witness. Would you replace one of your witnesses by mine in the default list at least until we get some well reputed "captain of industry" to replace me ?

That means : are you socialy ready to start release hands on witnesses ?
Personally, I am ready to place trust in community members.


Nice to hear.

There is now a fresh new witness just started at byteball.fr and posting :

https://explorer.byteball.org/#MEJGDND55XNON7UU3ZKERJIZMMXJTVCV


Great work!

Which witness in the default 12 list would you like me to replace?
280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
EDIT: Again the CfBs fear strikes, now reposting same useless pictures. Pathetic.

Let's wait for tonych answer and see if the pictures are useless or not.
He answered you already. Several times.

By the way, your IOTA-scam still sucks, very shameful project, its implementation is weak and concept is retarded. Proof-of-Work in IoT space is beyond retardation, only a simple narrow-mind could have thought that scam would fly. Your IOTA project has a "consensus by developer keeping a database of everyones balances", has only censored forums, and is a failed scam.
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