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301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 25, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
Can somebody explain to me what "Byteball" means? Does it have a special meaning or just a fictive name? I am not native English and this word is unknown to me.

rtfm with translator:
https://byteball.org/Byteball.pdf
No need to be rude.

Like a snowball. Byte. Ball. More transctions more balls.
302  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2017 and WHY !!! on: March 24, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
NEM Hands down.

NEM also is poised to be the first blockchain to attain an ISO standard.

Read the whitepaper if you have not done so already...
Nem is closed source right?
303  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's the next "BIG THING" in the altcoin world on: March 24, 2017, 02:00:08 PM
The major real economic effect of the compounding stock split is to incentivize investors to buy & hold earlier so they can maximize their stake relative to those who buy later, due to the power of compounding.

That is actually quite a powerful effect. That is a clever feature to add to a coin. I think I will copy it.  Tongue

P.S. this is why I get involved asking about things that seem abnormal or exceptional. Because sometimes it means it is something important that I need to know for my own work.
Rounds are done every full moon, ie every month. The 1% does not receive compound interest. The other 1% can technically be gamed, the success of the game depends on how few persons buy into Byteball, the more people install the wallet, the lower the success of gaming the final 1% distribution.
304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's the next "BIG THING" in the altcoin world on: March 24, 2017, 07:29:14 AM
Just took a closer look at Byteball's distribution scheme (because someone posted and ask me to) and realized the developer did a sneaky form of premine (he wasn't totally honest and transparent):

The first round of Byteball was awarding 1 GB for each 0.7 BTC. The 4th round is only awarding 0.0625 GB for each 1 BTC. So apparently the distribution is nearly completed.

So the developer/creator of Byteball (named Tony) was very sneaky. He said his premine for himself was only 2%, but in effect it will be more than 10% (currently 14.6%) because less than 20% of the total planned supply will ever be issued.
Tony never claimed 2%, he only claimed 1%, and that is still valid, 1% is kept for him, the rest is distributed, just because it went form 0.7BTC to 0.0625 doesnt mean he will retain more, it means there will be more distribution rounds.
305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's the next "BIG THING" in the altcoin world on: March 23, 2017, 07:06:53 PM
you need to add
IOTA
Yes, this.

IOTA offers: zero fees, no miners, massive scalablity, nano payments, confirmation in seconds (as network grows), it is quantum secure...

The network literally works faster the more it is used, unlike any other crypto.

What altcoin has features that can even compare?
Byteball is better, no miners, massive scale, nano payments, finality and not just probability of confirmed payment. Does not require a Proof-of-Work, unlike IOTA which is a waste since IoT device can generally hardly do work at all, some struggle with making even https connections, so requiring an IoT device to do PoW is retarded to say the the least. While with Byteball an IoT device can be a full member of the network like any other light wallet, and if it can make https it can perform signatures to send and receive all functionality of Byteball.

Also, it works faster the more it is used, an idea which a IOTA developer cannot actually comprehend.
306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 23, 2017, 02:11:39 PM
Ok, stupid question time:

Should the Bitcoin fork occur, which blockchain will be used for distribution?

good question...
It is like the eternal question even from 2009, "what is bitcoin"? Like the ship, if each wooden part is replaced one by one, is it still the same ship? If each consensus rule is upgraded/forked, is it still bitcoin? Philosophoraptor wonders.
307  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 22, 2017, 03:52:41 PM
Of course, there is a lower bound defined by network latency, times number of witnesses.

Thank you. I'll point SatoNatomato to this next time he starts telling fantastic stories.
What will you point out? That you just lack reading comprehension or is your mind incapable of understanding? Does lower mean upper to you? How is a lower bound a limit? Can you explain, that would be great.

My initial statement which you tried to "prove wrong" is in fact "proved right" by tonych, in fact, you had previously insinuated Byteball doesnt scale to which tonych stated and I repeated "DAG has no architectural limits".

The more units there is posted, the higher the throughput. The more transactions, the confirmation time is faster, decreases. Not as you insinuated that more transactions would lead to some kind of congestion and increase/more-waiting for finality/confirmation.

Witnesses do not decide ordering of units.  Ordering is determined by the algorithm that looks back at the witnesses-authored units in the DAG.
What TPS limit do you expect to see in the real world (order of magnitude)?
You know, there is no architectural limit in the DAGs.
Regarding the practical limits, I don't buy into this race to Visa tps.  The most pressing issue of crypto is not tps, it is adoption (which we address in the first place).  Tps will come second after the first is solved.

So, this is a fantastic story, isnt it?

Get over your hurt ego, me and my employer, we not gonna use IOTA for an IoT project, we use Byteball, thats it.

And leave this thread, people and me included are really tired of your shit.

It seems to me your mind is incapable of comprehending Byteball. So you cant "scratch the surface", so please, leave this thread and stick to IOTA.
308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 22, 2017, 11:25:22 AM
I don't think ComeFromBeyond is schizophreniac, even if, from my point of view, he is indirectly helping too much the byteball dev by pointing its flaws.

Im not a Byteball dev and so far he hasnt pointed out a single flaw.

I too have and still continue to look for weaknesses, but at least have read the whitepaper and looked at the source-code before asking for clarifications. Apply critical thinking.

Then there is a difference in asking for clarifications about some issue/potential weakness, or as CfB was saying "Your btc-oracle feature is overkill and over-engineered" and "Byteball is a blockchain not a real DAG" comparing Byteball to blockchains like Ethereum and Monero, now the latest "DAG structure implies limit on tx/s", all of this is just FUD and not "pointing its flaws", but alas not all visitors have the necessary skills to judge this so I do.
309  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 10:30:51 PM
As has been done in the Ubiq thread, it is possible to effectively ban users from posting in your thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1763606.1580

Just sayin'.

Seriously though, you guy(s?) should have chosen another means of discussion weeks ago. This is getting tedious.
I am the brown monkey in the picture.

310  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 04:21:49 PM
You overestimate my power.
So, what are you waiting for?
Someone with more knowledge and skills.
311  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
Your veiled attempts now at being nice to Byteball by "scratching the surface, asking questions analyzing internals" is ridiculous, reminds me of Eric Cartman "just asking questions, bro". If youre such a good programmer, on such a high shiny horse, analyzing Byteball internals, developing IoT non-scam coin, you would see the answer to your questions faster than it took you to color the pictures.

You overestimate my power.
Well that explains a lot.

If you dont want to justs be FUDing and trolling, and is actually "scratching the surface, analyzing", explain why the scenario in your picture would imply a limit in how many transactions/units can be handled. Cant just insinuate your pictures mean there is a limit while not explaining why. Ill wait...
312  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 01:25:15 PM
I hope better counterarguments will be posted later, we don't want BB to be perceived as a platform based on memes instead of math, do we?..
No, you have to try harder, your troll-post isnt even worthy of a real counter-argument.

Ill give you a IOTA-style counter-argument. OK, its simple, just pick a Main Chain by random selection (Like IOTA Monte-Carlo tip selection algorithm), then ask developers to resolve any issues and make a "milestone-database" to build upon.

Its still nice you are trying to spread distrust in Byteball ability to scale, now with pictures and colors. How quaint.

Ok, it's not really necessary to post counterarguments here, just make sure that when someone from Byteball team does AMA on Reddit or something similar, he is able to answer my questions. What I asked is just scratching the surface, these questions will come to anyone analyzing Byteball internal mechanisms.

It is not really necessary for you to FUD here. Is it?

Your veiled attempts now at being nice to Byteball by "scratching the surface, asking questions analyzing internals" is ridiculous, reminds me of Eric Cartman "just asking questions, bro". If youre such a good programmer, on such a high shiny horse, analyzing Byteball internals, developing IoT non-scam coin, you would see the answer to your questions faster than it took you to color the pictures.
313  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 12:24:28 PM
I hope better counterarguments will be posted later, we don't want BB to be perceived as a platform based on memes instead of math, do we?..
No, you have to try harder, your troll-post isnt even worthy of a real counter-argument.

Ill give you a IOTA-style counter-argument. OK, its simple, just pick a Main Chain by random selection (Like IOTA Monte-Carlo tip selection algorithm), then ask developers to resolve any issues and make a "milestone-database" to build upon.

Its still nice you are trying to spread distrust in Byteball ability to scale, now with pictures and colors. How quaint.
314  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Person who didnt read Byteball whitepaper, who didnt even know 1 witness change is allowed, who designed an IoT "coin" utilizing "Proof-of-**Work**", attempts to spread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about Byteball ability to scale using computer sci-ency terms.
Now it sounds just like people who told Satoshi back in 2008, "but you cant solve Byzantine generals problem thats impossible".

315  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
I install wallet v1.6.0 by using the light one.
How can I switch to the full one now?

You can't switch wallet types and keep your addresses. You can only change wallet types with a new install (make sure your delete the user folder first)! But only with an  empty wallet, because all bytes and blackbytes will get lost this way!

After removing the light wallet and installing the new full one, can I restore the bytes with my seed of light wallet in the full wallet?
Yes you can, the seed will only restore the bytes, not any blackbytes or other private assets. Id go for solution, install full wallet on another device, pair them as multi-sig or transfer all bytes and blackbytes to the new full wallet, then remove light wallet and install full wallet on that device, then send them bytes and blackbytes back.
316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 10:23:48 AM
The advantage is all the features listed on byteball.org and being a DAG it has no architectural limit on scaling, only implementation and hardware is limiting.
blahblah

Dont you have more important things to do, such as updating the accounting book, I mean, the database of IOTA?

Actually, I believe his is in the same boat as I. We cannot use the wallet to claim, but have to give David our information (old seed and a new address created with a new seed) so he submits it to CfB to be included in the next snapshot.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1216479.msg18269407#msg18269407

And how long has your IOTA-coin been in production? "Consensus algorithm" still the same as middle-ages.
317  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 21, 2017, 09:46:41 AM



It's about 1.x GB and increasing.

Thanks! But wasn't it said to be "without" blockchain? (sorry iam no coder, only use byteball and try it out) If there is data to process and store, what is is the advantage to bitcoin/ethereum/monero and stuff? I only want to understand it (before probably investing more)
It is a database, but not a blockchain database, as LevelDB in bitcoin. In fact, this implementation stores the dag in a SQL database.

Each wallet does not have to store the full dag, you can select to run a light wallet, in that case it wont use basically any storage aside from your keys and private assets.

The advantage is all the features listed on byteball.org and being a DAG it has no architectural limit on scaling, only implementation and hardware is limiting.
318  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Declarative smart contracts in Byteball on: March 20, 2017, 01:59:17 PM

Actually you arent even criticising javascript on any technical point you're just parroting nonsense, FUDding.
No problem, just ask.
JavaScript applications consume too much resources like memory and cryptocurrency is not a light type of software. Some months will pass and you will see how node can't be run on an average computer.
Oh, I see you dont know the words you are attempting to talk with. Hilarious.
319  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Declarative smart contracts in Byteball on: March 20, 2017, 11:58:39 AM

I suggest you begin with not visiting bitcointalk.org anymore as it contains javascript, and the Chrome or Firefox web-browsers as they contain an even heavier javascript interpreter and possibly even with Just-in-Time-compilation. That would be great, thanks!

Why so salty?
It's not contains javascript, it's a javascript app.
Like webtorrent. Webtorrent useless, but cool technology, with some flaws. So do byteball. Just put little "proudly written in javascript, highly experimental technology" warning on website, don't be so shy.
Some people don't see what's going on in their wallet and can confuse it with some more traditional thing. Javascript is fine as long as people warned about it. Sure I can left bitcointalk.org, but how it will change byteball code?
Not salty, just telling you the absurdity of criticising javascript from safety and software security perspectives, when C and C++... well. I dont even know why I bother.

Actually you arent even criticising javascript on any technical point you're just parroting nonsense, FUDding.
320  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Declarative smart contracts in Byteball on: March 20, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
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Lol.

Looks like Byteball attracted its own trolls. Probably Come-from-Beyonds sockpuppets.
I want to know dev opinion on this. He know for sure how genesis block was generated and how new coins can or can not be made. And dev comes here sometimes.

Yeah, right. If you want to know dev opinion, good way to start is to write in his thread that what he does is a shit toy and nonsense. Nice try. Don't give up, keep trying.

Some bored guy made javascript coin. It's suddenly not a toy?
Do not use it, you can keep using other coins and avoid javascript software.

I suggest you begin with not visiting bitcointalk.org anymore as it contains javascript, and the Chrome or Firefox web-browsers as they contain an even heavier javascript interpreter and possibly even with Just-in-Time-compilation. That would be great, thanks!
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