Look at the Mysterium and BAT ICOs: absolute mess. Only big whales were able to buy because they pump gas prices to make to impossible for the average guy to get any coins. Now they control most of the supply.

I wanted to try my luck in Bancor, Tezos and maybe another ones, seeing that a lot of ICOs have delivered good ROI, but I suspect it's going to be impossible and we the common folk is going to be doomed into waiting the token to hit the exchanges to buy any.

It's a complicated system for scammers... Don't get it! Eat your money!

Not too late, you can try to join on the ICO. And that will give you a chance to buy the cheap coin. I can say  If you're trying to buy at the ICO price and you will get a cheap coin. Looks buying instantly through the market is too late for us. The whales are accumulating his profit through invest on ICO such as BAT, Aragon, And Gnosis. But I believe if another upcoming ico will be success caused by the whales are trying to flip his money.

But better to buy on the market rather than try to join with ICO. That gives you more guarantee.

I'm not going to tell you yet

What does that have to do with it ?
Are these ICO's launching with a guarantee in price later ?
Of course not..
You guys are forgetting that you get the "coin" and they get your money.
You are not investing in companies.

I don't think many of you have the faintest clue what is going on here.
Buying ICO coins for example are nothing but a fee to enter into a pyramid scheme.
You are not investing in some sort of business..
So they (the dev's etc) have absolutely no responsibility to any of you for ANYTHING ever.
They have every right to walk away with all the money the second the shitcoin launches.
And when they do.. i get pissed off at you idiots that know better.. not the dev's.

The dev's are simply pandering to a legion of dumb fucking dipshit greedy little immoral piglets.
You ask for it so they give it to you.

I have always said a "Scam" is an ICO that does not get you ROI's.
And a legit one is ..one you get profit from.
It's actually true.. that is how you all act.
Proof is seen and pointed out here on the first post.

I don't give two shits if they rip off you greedy morons.. you deserve it.

Just don't sit there and play dumb and point the finger at them.
There is 10k ANN topics here because YOU WANT THEM !

ohhhh i aemz bigz timez investrs and i haz ROI'z wit teh ICO'z !!1111ONE

You are not investors you are criminals perpetuating a scene that revolves around fraud.
You all collectively lie your ass of to lure in more victims or the scheme collapse in on it's self.

And no coin team makes any "promises" about what their coin will be worth..
Or they would have the US fed's on their ass in a heart beat.

And they are coming sooner or later and i will relish in the fucking blood bath.    

forget it. don't shill too much to that verge, don't fool yourself because there is nothing to it. if you wanna earn big, buy the ones with higher chance, buy WAVES. you will never go wrong. its already happening and it will continue to be that way so long as the people are pouring their money on cryptocurrencies.

I'm just explaining how the market works. For example right now Whales are stabilizing the XRP price around .30c. They forced it down on ETH rise before yesterday and people panic sold thinking it was headed for rock bottom then they raised it back up making easy money. That panic strategy works on stagnant coins. Then yesterday they were waiting on news to skyrocket it but no news came. The second news comes they will shoot it to the stars then as fomo hits they will sell and dump some then ping pong it margin trading and stabilize it at a higher value. XRP will hit .50C next time good news comes but the issue is they can't get any real legit news to get the public going. Public interest is actually declining in XRP. If Whales started to steadily decline XRP value it would drop so fast because public sentiment is turning negative towards it, people would sell quickly but they're maintaining it. It is in their control. Long term if a coin has positive public sentiment and stays fresh they will keep playing their game while raising the coin value in the long-run you're right. Only when a coin reaches a certain point do Whales lose their ability to negatively impact a coin. For example BitCoin unless something crazy happens will never drop too low because public has bought in so much that people will buy it up. Majority of alts can easily be influenced to crash by Whales though.



I actually day trade and have gotten such a good feel for how they operate that I'm able to profit very well. The safest thing to do is buy and hold good coins as you said though. In my book that is only BTC/ETH. I love putting money in sleepers with good potential though that I feel Whales have put an interest in. If Whales have put an interest in the alt coin it will rise, then if it has real potential you keep it or if it does not there are data signs that reveal when the dump is coming and you cash out before then. A lot of times now though the public gets behind it and eats up the Whales dump then the coin keeps walking like a chicken with no head. The investors don't realize they just bought a bunch of sand. The Whales sell some and use the rest to see how much longer they can keep it going before people realize it's a shitcoin. It's a ticking time bomb at that point because there will come a time when the public realize it's crap and they themselves do a massive dump. I'm still waiting to see one of those happen.

We all do want to earn money from cryptocurrency and x10 is even greater. however, I do not think that people will spend their money on verge because I do not find that there is any chance for it to become a good currency

That is what I am afraid of, the whale already there. I could have invested small amount if the whales are still getting in, but they are already in. They are now just waiting for their prey before they dump and you'll end up the bag holder of the coin.

There's quite a few coins/tokens with instant/near instant transactions.  What else do you seriously think differentiates verge that would warrant this, beyond it's low liquidity/market cap that makes it prime PnD territory.

I don't see this coin as an investment vehicle, but it does have the opportunity for whales to play with to make some quick cash, generally doesn't play well for the little fish though.

I don't have any problems moving my bitcoin around exchanges or my coinbase wallet. Maybe you need to pay transaction fees so that your transactions get mined. Thats all.. Never had a problem unless it was my fault for using too low a transaction fee.

There's quite a few coins/tokens with instant/near instant transactions.  What else do you seriously think differentiates verge that would warrant this, beyond it's low liquidity/market cap that makes it prime PnD territory.

I don't see this coin as an investment vehicle, but it does have the opportunity for whales to play with to make some quick cash, generally doesn't play well for the little fish though.

FUD alert. Verge is not a potential coin. Just drop it and sell it now.