There are a allot of posts here an on reddit and everywhere about the scaling issues. It's a real quagmire for most people who don't commit most of their time to this sector, especially as there are so many annoyingly immature reactionary emotional posts spamming up the internet. So I would like to try to put things as simply as possible here, as I see it. I do hope that those of you with a better understanding may correct me or add nice links to concise, easy to understand explanations for newcomers. Apologies is this is not concise enough!
My understanding of the situation is this:
- some people want a large blocksize. This should be good for transaction fees and prevent delays on transactions, due to the rate of transactions (>1MB every 10 minutes) not being limited by small (1MB). However, very large blocks would mean that bitcoin nodes would need much more expensive equipment given current available technology, thus driving Bitcoin network to be supported by fewer people, so less decentralised, and therefore more vulnerable to 51% attack. BCH does this. It does not yet have a solution to the 'malleability bug', and other bugs apparently.
- some people want to keep the 1MB blocksize. This might be good for decentralisation as mentioned in the above point. Segwit, LN, and other solutions are developed to compensate for the limited blocksize so that as Bitcoin is adopted further, the rising rate of transactions can somehow be managed. I don't know whether these additions would lower transaction fees sufficiently for Bitcoin use in coffee shops and developing countries. Segwit has fixes for the malleability bug and others, but has been criticised by some for being bad for security. Other than that it is new and might need more testing, I don't know the details of why Segwit might be bad for security.
- many people seem to be happy with the NYA Segwit2x proposal; the 'best of both worlds', for the time being... this sounds most reasonable to my mind, as it makes sense to gradually increase blocksize in line with the availability of affordable large hard drives. The blockchain is currently only 126MB, and is growing linearly. Affordable hard drive capacity is growing at a faster rate than the current 1MB blocksize bitcoin blockchain. Given this, I don't understand why anyone in Bitcoin (not BCH) would choose to not implement the doubling blocksize n November, agreed on for Segwit2x.
In brief, trying to summarise further: - 8MB too big for now, so bad for node decentralisation, but should be fine once computer hardware gets cheaper. Computer hardware for 2MB is affordable currently. Both should bring down the transaction fees and free up the smooth running of the network. - BCH doesn't have certain bug fixes which Segwit has. How critical are these bugs? - How much of a security threat is Segwit? Can it be updated sufficiently well to address the issues raised (which I am not familiar with) pertaining to security?
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The Cancer is not only a direct threat to Bitcoin, but ultimately to itself since it is built on faulty fundamentals: I believe its as much a "threat" to Bitcoin as ETC is to ETH. none. I hold this view as well, some people are worried about the price of BCC but that price is not going to last for long as people begin to dump the coin and it is eventually killed not by the miners but by the users. I think that it is more of a threat than ETC is to ETH. I worry about hashrate leaving BTC for BCC in November.
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so anyone out there think that we'll have to wait until November for ATH conditional on the 2x block size going ahead?
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glad that this fork's effects are insignificant.
time will tell. It's been almost 24 hours and only 3 blocks mined .. i am guessing that Bitcoincash will die and people just trade with what ever airdrop they got on any exchanges unless miners shift from BTC to BCC pools There are no few blocks getting mined currently because they have to slow down the mining for a 12 hour period in order to dramatically lower the difficulty level, so that they can mine properly with what they've got thereafter
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Posted it yesterday - somebody was trying to pay $1million USD for 0.001 BCH - guess they must have gotten their ill-conceived wish. saw that too. Tried to sell into it, but Kraken, well, Kraken
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I'm waiting for this thread to return to some real discussion about BitcoinTM, not some shitcoin clone wannabe that no one here cares about.
I'm also waiting for all the troll day traders with like a few hundred dollars in bitcoin max, running around like chickens trying to figure out how to make an extra 25% by trading their free shitcoin on some shady exchange, to leave this thread for good.
I've got enough BCH that I could single-handedly dump that shitty market all the way down to $1. Don't tempt me.
Do it I DOUBLE DARE YOU MA'AF'KA!
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So it's dumping/correcting/profit taking Have BCH been arriving on exchanges? I know that's not the case for Kraken at least, though Coinfloor has been taking transactions for a while now.
No new blocks mined, so no. I was able to send some BCH to HitBTC in the last mined block which I sold for 0.28 BCH/BTC. maybe I'll buy this dip then . . . eek!
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So it's dumping/correcting/profit taking Have BCH been arriving on exchanges? I know that's not the case for Kraken at least, though Coinfloor has been taking transactions for a while now.
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What is a good and safe BCC wallet?
For things like this the best and safest many decent and informative posts here, but I still can't figure out any sort of estimate of how long it might take until the difficulty drops so that BCH blocks can be mined fast enough for BCH to reach the exchanges. Anyone have a hold on that?would be using a hardware wallet. I was able to do the process easily and with no risk with my Ledger Nano S. I will always keep telling people hardware wallets are key to the future of Bitcoin and software wallets are a thing of the past and maybe only useful for a few bucks in mobile phone wallet. Besides that, I would suggest you first move all your Bitcoins to a new address with a different private key (not in the same HD wallet) and then you can proceed "extracting" the BCH with less worries. Can you use Ledger and Trezor for storing both coins? yes, both Trezor and Ledger have included both coins
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Probably when blocks aren't coming in only every few hours. My guess is they are waiting for block time to go down before they start accepting deposits.
Ah, yes, I'd noticed that. So when's the BCH difficulty due to adjust? That would be the precursor to the turning point probably
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all of you who are frustratedly waiting to get your BCH deposited are lucky. I took the risk of keeping my Bitcoin on Kraken and Coinfloor, so was able to dump very happily at 0.07. FFS, really kicking myself now!
Trust me, you could have done much worse. Like, not getting any BCH coins because you f@cked up completely out of some sort of confused negligence.... indeed. That said, getting very tempted to buy some BCH now. Anybody here have any good indications of how long it might be until deposits start getting accepted in the major exchanges?
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all of you who are frustratedly waiting to get your BCH deposited are lucky. I took the risk of keeping my Bitcoin on Kraken and Coinfloor, so was able to dump very happily at 0.07. FFS, really kicking myself now!
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Crack Cash pump incoming, gathering 'cheap' coins on panic selling. Wont last though, sell the pump !
Trace Mayer publicly stated tht he was waiting for the order book to fill up before dumping big on it
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Many of us just couldn't help ourselves. I just made so much money from dumping, and yet I had a pretty good notion that a pump was on the cards too make much more than that.
Good luck to those of you who didn't dump yet. That price might go allot higher yet
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Kraken processing Bitcoin withdrawals now
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I officially dumped BCH. Incredible, I've never in my life got money from selling a non-existent crypto. HAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHA that dump feels better than I though it would!
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So is anyone selling their BCH... besides the ones on Kraken?
I have no idea what to do and I'm too scared to risk 100+ BTC
I would like to but Coinfloor are still offline. Placed a sell order on Kraken anticipating a manipulation to panic pump
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Coinfloor still offline. Not impressed
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