Would anyone object if we asked the dev to release the non-integrated version of shock trader?

It looks like its ready to go, & If its written in node I would be up to running it on one of my linux machines.

Not sure what would happen with the 200 min requirement though..

Will it be listed on Bittrex soon?

No action price is steadily falling

this bot had better be impressive

Looks good.

Anyone have any idea what this coin could be worth? I cannot imagine people willing to "pay" more than 30$ for a trading bot when there are other standalone trading bots on the forums.

Okay I'm going to throw this out there because I'm seeing more and more people becoming impatient with the M1 progress so if anyone would like to exit M1 and sell their coins I will buy all their coins at 50k a coin So if you want to get rid of your M1 then just PM me and I'll gladly take them off your hands Cheers

How is the 10k collateral?  

Could they just not set up another market (transfer funds to different wallet/identity) and resume under a new "market" ?

Nobody.  Its collateral.  If he spends it/moves it, then his market closes.  Same thing as with the masternode collateral.

It will not be on the token part aka DarkPool.  It will use CRAVE directly.  I wrote up a brief example many pages ago, but simply you will be able to put up 10k CRAVE as collateral, similar to how you put up 500 to get an Adrenaline Node, and open an Urge market.  You can set your fee, set any required vendor bond, and collect the fees on the transactions that occur in your market.  In return for the fee, the market op is expected to handle escrow and dispute resolution and curation/moderation of their market how they see fit.  The market op can't run an exit scam because all funds are protected by Surge Protector.

I had said that supporting BTC in addition to Crave is not impossible but is challenging.  I know a way it can be done but it is something to slate on the schedule after getting the remaining items on the current roadmap out, as it will probably take some time and tinkering to prove it out.

The escrow in Crave is 3 party escrow.  The Urge market operator acts at the 3rd party.  As part of normal operations their node will auto-release the funds unless there is a dispute, in which case they can then mediate and decide what to do with the escrowed funds.

It is useful outside of the markets as well so it made sense to modularize it and do the escrow management as its own feature with workflow, this way it can be built and unit tested easier.  Its like dropping the engine in the car

As an example, say I put up 10,000 CRAVE collateral and open a market.

I name it Arctic Pyramid.  I am allowed to upload a small 256x256 logo for my market.  I decide to set my combined fully loaded fee at 3% per transaction between buyer and vendor.

I setup my categories, specify my escrow stealth address and my encrypted messaging support address and open for business.

Vendor X, goes in the wallet and browses the markets and decides to place his listing in Arctic Pyramid.  He chooses a category and lists his product or service with all the details.

Buyer Z, goes in the wallet and browses the available markets, and selects the Arctic Pyramid market, and finds Vendor X's listing and places an order.

He creates a 2-of-3 multi-sig transaction containing the amount of the product or service and the market fee and sends it to the vendor, who signs it, and sends it to a key derived from the market stealth address.

After some auto-timeout period the market node will auto-sign and release the funds to the vendor, unless the buyer opens a dispute before the timeout period expires.  Or, the buyer could choose to sign and release the funds before the timeout expires and close out the transaction.

After a transaction is successfully closed out the buyer and vendor may leave feedback for each other (similar to how localbitcoins works).

Maybe Vendor Y goes in the wallet and makes a listing for a product or service that I disallow or don't approve of.  I can choose to block the listing, as part of my responsiblity as a market owner to be a curator.

Maybe when I open Arctic Pyramid I decide it is going to be only for art and my fee will be 15% because I provide concierge-level service through my encrypted messaging support address.  And so I aggressively curate my market to make sure it is always clean with only high quality works of art, and I make sure to respond fast to customers through the support address and give them the VIP treatment.  (I don't know anything about art actually, so maybe that's a bad example, but you get the idea).

ty guys for explaining, its alot clearer for me now.. am i the only one excited about upcoming release or do you guys also feel the URGE? 

Correct. And another fact is that the 10k crave aren't lost, you can take them back if you want to close your market, thats what i understood.
So opening a market is not really an investisment. Anyway the profitability will depend on volume & popularity.

From what I understand, vendor bond amount is determined by the market operator. So there will be a competition in that. More market operators would like to set low bond amount to lure vendors in. Also market operators will get the transaction fee they set, so there will be a competition on that too.

Let's say I opened a market with 500 CRAVE vendor bond amount and I said I would take %5 of the deals. Than olcaytu2005 comes and says the vendor bond amount in his market is only 250 CRAVE and he would only take %4 of every transaction. Competition = better service, lower prices = liberal economy.

I don't know about the insurance part but I guess it won't because market operator will pass the transaction after getting confirmation that the goods arrived. I believe as long as the locked amount is there seller is able to "sell" and put orders.

About the profitibility, only time will tell. I am hoping to see an easy to use marketplace with a cool design. As long as we spread the word and actually start to sell things ourselves, why not? I wouldn't expect a good return in one year, but as more vendors and markets are in the scene, it will (profit) definetly keep rising.

Anyway, we will understand and learn more when it releases. I am so excited.

By the way, we discussed this before but I really like the idea of having a market operator as a middleman. The trustless, "decentralized" markets doesn't fit in my logic, its just not realistic to me. There are thousands of ways abusing such a deal.


Agreed. Stake or let your mn's pay you nice income.

 I am trying to buy crave for crave market. I collected 9000 crave. If i get 1000 crave more it ll happen. I ll be the first operatör in the market

Ah thanks, could be it, since the swap is gone after restart. Will try.

Anyone know what this is about?

 "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc       \nstd::bad_alloc       \ncrave in ProcessMessages()       \n"

Hey guys, development and work on the XAI project still continues on.  There is a lot of work to do and limited resources, but it has not stopped.  My time horizon on this is long term, but it won't be abandoned.

A couple of things I've got cooking:

- Implementing the new wallet design from our designer
- Solution for the scripting shell that cross-compiles on all platforms
- I was contacted by a guy from SuperNET and responded
- I am working with an advisor who has also advised some other notable projects on bolstering our presence in the Asian market

I have also been looking at a cool board I found:

https://www.parallella.org/

These boards are affordable and similar to a raspi, but have a multicore risc processor on board.  Down the road this could be a pretty cool hardware device for XAI so people can get an off the shelf computing "neurominer".  I'm hoping to get my hands on one of these boards soon.

The wallet syncs fine, but only with one connection. I would give it some time.

It is a whole new interface, but it is in wallet and multi-platform etc.  Kind of like a cross between the Steam Desktop and World of Warplanes clients.  Its not just a reskin of the old QWidgets based wallet.  Its all new and makes doing some more complex UI things easier, touch support on everything, etc.

edit: I know I'm talking about it vaguely etc., just hold onto your hats and it'll be in your hands soon enough.  It'll give us something that really sets us apart and can be marketed etc. and is kind of like a little portfolio item for me.

We are currently implementing ShockTrader into the wallet, once that is complete we need to check, check & recheck all of our implementations & functionalities of ShockTrader.

Our goal is to have the smoothest beta release possible & to do so we are working diligently to meet our goal.

We appreciate your patience & understanding during this exciting time.

Another in-process sneak peak will be available today, please stay tuned for further updates!