The curious case of user 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰

[PaperWallet]

But the people whom you're talking to you just don't know how many scams they've promoted or how many people they've scammed themselves. So there's no case of defending yourself here.

I, personally, know how many scams I promoted and also how many people I scammed myself: 0 (zero).

Of course, what I am saying, you are not to be trusted no matter what. The idea that those old scams were gone does not mean that the scammers did, and they could have very well created new accounts such as yours (who knows) and now they say oh look at those old scams they should be all gone. And the proof is all of the scams we see with the "trusted" members.

Now definitely like everywhere else there is still some people who never scammed but most of the time it's a matter of chance to fall on someone who does/does not scam. It might be your case (for now), but there is nothing to brag about your trust score because it has very little meaning.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Of course, what I am saying, you are not to be trusted no matter what.

Everybody has the right to trust or distrust anybody else. I have no problem with that. However, the reason stated by you (below) for distrusting me is pure idiocy.

The idea that those old scams were gone does not mean that the scammers did, and they could have very well created new accounts such as yours (who knows) and now they say oh look at those old scams they should be all gone.

So you are implying that I may be an old scammer of the forum, which was blamed in the past and then, somehow, returned with a new account and spent years for building a good reputation, just to have the chance to meet such a bright mind as you are to expose me. Do I understand this correctly?

And the proof is all of the scams we see with the "trusted" members.

What are these scams "we see" (who is "we", anyway?) with the "trusted" members (and who are these "trusted" members?)? Can you be more specific, please?

Now definitely like everywhere else there is still some people who never scammed but most of the time it's a matter of chance to fall on someone who does/does not scam.

What you wrote above is outstanding wisdom. It's like saying that, when you go out of your house, you have 50% chances of having a rock falling on you. Your unbelievable words of wisdom remind me of an old story about a tribe of Gypsies, which elected an old Gypsy to rule them. And, in each morning, when the elder was going out of his tent, he was saying: "today may rain or may not rain". And everyday he was right! And all the Gypsies were stunned by his intelligence!

It might be your case (for now), but there is nothing to brag about your trust score because it has very little meaning.

Sadly, Trust score does not always reflect someone's trustworthiness, as many members are misusing Trust feedbacks. However, excepting that, you say that I am bragging about my Trust score. Where have I (ever) done that?

[PaperWallet]

The idea that those old scams were gone does not mean that the scammers did, and they could have very well created new accounts such as yours (who knows) and now they say oh look at those old scams they should be all gone.

So you are implying that I may be an old scammer of the forum, which was blamed in the past and then, somehow, returned with a new account and spent years for building a good reputation, just to have the chance to meet such a bright mind as you are to expose me?

Of course, you may be, that is totally possible, no need for a bright mind, even you must say it's possible.

And the proof is all of the scams we see with the "trusted" members.

What are these scams "we see" (who is "we", anyway?) with the "trusted" members (and who are these "trusted" members?)? Can you be more specific, please?

"we" is the average user who comes and reads some of the scam accusations and the reputation section in this forum. There are a lot of them, the latest one is the BitLucy scam perpetrated by "trusted" member Royse777.

Now definitely like everywhere else there is still some people who never scammed but most of the time it's a matter of chance to fall on someone who does/does not scam.

What you wrote above is outstanding wisdom. It's like saying that, when you go out of your house, you have 50% chances of having a rock falling on you. Your unbelievable words of wisdom remind me of an old story about a tribe of Gypsies, which elected an old Gypsy to rule them. And, in each morning, when the elder was going out of his tent, he was saying: "today may rain or may not rain". And everyday he was right! And all the Gypsies were stunned by his intelligence!

We perfectly agree, so obvious that it's only a matter of chance to fall for a scam here, the "trust" system does not help that much. Scams are as frequent as weather changes.

Sadly, Trust score does not always reflect someone's trustworthiness, as many members are misusing Trust feedbacks. However, excepting that, you say that I am bragging about my Trust score. Where have I (ever) done that?

Here, again, we agree. I just said there is nothing to brag about not that you are bragging.

[NeuroticFish]

So you are implying that I may be an old scammer of the forum, which was blamed in the past and then, somehow, returned with a new account and spent years for building a good reputation, just to have the chance to meet such a bright mind as you are to expose me?

Of course, you may be, that is totally possible, no need for a bright mind, even you must say it's possible.

While in theory everything is possible, in reality a scammer simply doesn't have the patience to build for so long for a pretty much uncertain result.
Scammers want easy money/easy results. So this behavior would not match with scammer's psychology.
Just my 2 satoshi.

[PrimeNumber7]

The idea that those old scams were gone does not mean that the scammers did, and they could have very well created new accounts such as yours (who knows) and now they say oh look at those old scams they should be all gone.

So you are implying that I may be an old scammer of the forum, which was blamed in the past and then, somehow, returned with a new account and spent years for building a good reputation, just to have the chance to meet such a bright mind as you are to expose me?

Of course, you may be, that is totally possible, no need for a bright mind, even you must say it's possible.

Anyone can be a scammer, but that does not mean that everyone should be treated like a scammer if there is no evidence they are a scammer.

Sure, it is possible that GazetaBitcoin is an alt of some scammer, but I am not aware of any evidence to suggest that is the case. Nor am I aware of any accusations of GazetaBitcoin scamming anyone, credible or otherwise.

I would compare this to TF, whose case has a set of facts that I do not believe are disputed (and that I understand are accepted by TF), which makes me believe that TF has not honored his obligations to certain members of the community. You can argue semantics as to what he should be called, but I think it is reasonable to not entrust him with your money.

[GazetaBitcoin]

While in theory everything is possible, in reality a scammer simply doesn't have the patience to build for so long for a pretty much uncertain result.
Scammers want easy money/easy results. So this behavior would not match with scammer's psychology.

Anyone can be a scammer, but that does not mean that everyone should be treated like a scammer if there is no evidence they are a scammer.

Sure, it is possible that GazetaBitcoin is an alt of some scammer, but I am not aware of any evidence to suggest that is the case. Nor am I aware of any accusations of GazetaBitcoin scamming anyone, credible or otherwise. [...]

You can argue semantics as to what he should be called [...]

Thank you both, NeuroticFish and PrimeNumber7, for your comments and involvement here.

And, speaking of semantics, thank you also for explaining to PaperWallet the difference between possible and probable. But, have no fear, he knows this difference, but he's just acting dumb. And he's acting dumb for a very specific reason, which I'll explain below. I hoped, up to this point, that he will stop being childish, but seeing that his tantrum continues, let's see what it's based of.

As you probably guessed yourselves, it has nothing to do with TF case It's just that PaperWallet is biased against me for a specific reason.

A while ago, he created a flag against FortuneJack, a flag which was, in my opinion (and not just mine), inappropriate, therefore I opposed it.

Excepting that, from his own will, PaperWallet stated that he is willing to give a small prize to all users which would either support or oppose his flag. That was his own will, without being coerced by anyone else.

Afterwards, seeing that users are opposing his flag, he started to be delusional, stating ridiculous things, such as he will curse the prizes he was going to award (facepalm moment), in a sore attempt to make users to ask him to not send that prize anymore lol.

The 1 mBTC you’ll receive has a curse associated with it for those who oppose it, so even a 99% atheist might want to return it afterwards to the wallet it came from, fees on me up to 0.02 mBTC. The curse is stronger when you lack integrity and less important if you’re stupid,  but in both cases well merited.

You don’t need this 1mBTC for your curse, you’ve just earned it

You are allowed to return it back to same wallet it came from, if you don’t want my second prediction above to come true.

Of course, to such allegation, replies like this one seem best approach:

Lol. You're a sore loser when you don't get your way

TL;DR: PaperWallet is a sore loser which has nothing to do with TF, nor he gives a damn about what TF did in the past All he cares about is that I opposed his flag and now, no matter what I would have said, he would have to say the opposite.

This topic could have been about other notorious scammers or other repugnant individuals, such as El Cabron, master-P, Butterfly Labs, pirateat40, cablepair, humanrightsfoundation etc. etc. etc. No matter the subject, PaperWallet's reaction would have been the same.

I hope that things are more clear now about his views

[PaperWallet]

TL;DR: PaperWallet is a sore loser

Amen, said the GodFather of the very much "trusted" system.

which has nothing to do with TF, nor he gives a damn about what TF did in the past All he cares about is that I opposed his flag and now, no matter what I would have said, he would have to say the opposite.

nah come on, do you think I have nothing else to do then follow those who opposed my flag and contradict them? Anyway I've done none of that to the other people who opposed my flag. You just happened to open up a very interesting subject (I'll give you that, at least you're not shitposting), and that's why I followed up. I just found the subject interesting. I don't really have to participate in any activity on the forum, I have nothing to gain here, except some interesting exchanges with some people, some fun, and reading some interesting stories.

[sciack]

Does anyone know definitively why TF stopped to refund the people he scammed?

[GazetaBitcoin]

TL;DR: PaperWallet is a sore loser

Amen, said the GodFather of the very much "trusted" system.

Thank you for the high consideration you have about me, but I am not involved in managing the Trust system. I am only assigned to cycle merits inside my gang. Fore more information, please see also my Personal Text.

All he cares about is that I opposed his flag and now, no matter what I would have said, he would have to say the opposite.

nah come on, do you think I have nothing else to do then follow those who opposed my flag and contradict them?

Yes, I actually believe that. And it seems I am not the only one:

OP is pissed he didn't get the supported he hoped for in his many posts about FortuneJack.

Anyway I've done none of that to the other people who opposed my flag.

Oh, how sweet of you! You haven't cursed those coins? Are we safe then?

I'll give you that, at least you're not shitposting

Oh, this is so kind, now I can rest in peace. I was really worried that I am a shit-poster but now I feel so relieved...

I don't really have to participate in any activity on the forum, I have nothing to gain here

True, there is nothing to gain here. Furthermore, from what I saw, you mostly lose something, rather than gaining. Therefore, why the effort to be here?

except some interesting exchanges with some people, some fun, and reading some interesting stories.

Aww, come on... Be here for fun and stories and risk losing so many other things...? Better be safe than sorry!

[PaperWallet]

TL;DR: PaperWallet is a sore loser

Amen, said the GodFather of the very much "trusted" system.

Thank you for the high consideration you have about me, but I am not involved in managing the Trust system. I am only assigned to cycle merits inside my gang. Fore more information, please see also my Personal Text.

Lol you just seem to have forgotten that it wasn't you who said that sentence, but it was LoyceV. If you haven't, of course I am referring to the person who wrote that sentence not to the one quoting it. Funny somehow you're taking credit for it.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I noticed, a few days ago, that someone made a post in this topic. I noticed it as the topic was highlighted when selecting "Show new replies to your posts". However, I did not see who made the post and I also did not read the post at the respective moment. A few days later I remember about it and I come to check the topic, but it seems that whoever made the post, deleted it, as now the last post of the topic (excepting this one) is from July 24th.

Is there any way to see the deleted post? Maybe LoyceV can help somehow...? I am curious what the post was about (also why it was deleted).

[LoyceMobile]

See https://loyce.club/archive/topics/537/5377727.html

[PrimeNumber7]

I noticed, a few days ago, that someone made a post in this topic. I noticed it as the topic was highlighted when selecting "Show new replies to your posts". However, I did not see who made the post and I also did not read the post at the respective moment. A few days later I remember about it and I come to check the topic, but it seems that whoever made the post, deleted it, as now the last post of the topic (excepting this one) is from July 24th.

Is there any way to see the deleted post? Maybe LoyceV can help somehow...? I am curious what the post was about (also why it was deleted).

See https://loyce.club/archive/topics/537/5377727.html

More specifically: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6135/61354460.html

Great post.
Please make a thread on how Erik Voheeres built his wealth by stealing bitcoins early with Feed Ze Birds.


Also potentially Roger Ver involvment in schemes that made people lose money and potentially lined his pockets (BitInstant, MtGox)...

[GazetaBitcoin]

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Thank you both! Much appreciated

Great post.
Please make a thread on how Erik Voheeres built his wealth by stealing bitcoins early with Feed Ze Birds.


Also potentially Roger Ver involvment in schemes that made people lose money and potentially lined his pockets (BitInstant, MtGox)...

My dear Bluto,

First of all, I am curious why you made that post, only to delete it afterwards...  

About Roger, I think there is enough evidence mentioned as feedback on his Trust page, where multiple users exposed his scheme:



Don't you think he is red enough? Furthermore, he also has a flag open on his name, for defrauding people. The topic mentioned as reference is this one: Roger Ver/Memorydealers is intentionally defrauding people.

But what's the connection, from your pespective, between "Bitcoin Jesus" and 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰?

I started this topic to point out that 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 acts like nothing happened in the past and is still present on the forum, instead of having, at least, the decency to make himself gone from here. But Roger Ver is not present on the forum anymore. So what's the connection?

About what you said about Erik Vorhees I don't know what to say, I did not study this subject.

And, once again: why did you delete your post?

[LoyceV]

My dear Bluto,

First of all, I am curious why you made that post, only to delete it afterwards... 

He didn't delete it, Mods did:

Delete reply: Re: The curious case of user 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 in topic #5377727 by member #558169

That's probably because it's off-topic.

[C10H15N]

So thats basically my opinion on how things went. He was a very young lonely dude, talented for his age but wayyy too cocky, he launched 3 websites. They got a lot of users, he made a lot of friends and enjoyed the online reputation he had. But the businesses never made any profit. So once his websites bled too much money, he faked the hack and ran away with the rest of the funds, got into altcoin trading and made bank, then decided his best move was to pay back the people he scammed.

Not everyone.  Still waiting for TF to repay my 6 BTC from 2013. Not forgotten, not forgiven.

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/183c1ab1b36608b27d86e08cfe4ec9110b2c2168947c75934edc99a631b3b41b