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June 15, 2024, 09:23:22 AM
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Governments and the wealth that controls them don't really want you to become rich.  For the system to work most citizens need to remain in either the government dependent category (welfare) or in the wage / salary category where you shoulder the largest percentage of the cumulative tax burden.  There is a reason public education systems do not teach financial responsibility and society, corporations, and media instead push the traps of debt and consumerism upon the populace. 
I do not think that "they do not want you to get rich" is the right thing to say here, they just don't want general public to have a decent life, but they do not care about the individual. If you personally end up building a business and become a billionaire one day, they are not going to stand on your way, but if you want to make the minimum wage in the USA 20 dollars, they are going to do all they can to try and stop you, that's the most important part.

That is why there is a difference between "they do not want you to get rich" and "they do not want us to get rich", if you say one, then it's like they hate you personally, if you say the other it's mostly about them wanting more money and power at that moment and not really personal.

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June 15, 2024, 01:59:41 PM
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Governments and the wealth that controls them don't really want you to become rich.  For the system to work most citizens need to remain in either the government dependent category (welfare) or in the wage / salary category where you shoulder the largest percentage of the cumulative tax burden.  There is a reason public education systems do not teach financial responsibility and society, corporations, and media instead push the traps of debt and consumerism upon the populace. 
I do not think that "they do not want you to get rich" is the right thing to say here, they just don't want general public to have a decent life, but they do not care about the individual. If you personally end up building a business and become a billionaire one day, they are not going to stand on your way, but if you want to make the minimum wage in the USA 20 dollars, they are going to do all they can to try and stop you, that's the most important part.

That is why there is a difference between "they do not want you to get rich" and "they do not want us to get rich", if you say one, then it's like they hate you personally, if you say the other it's mostly about them wanting more money and power at that moment and not really personal.
Well, I like your synonym but though they both conveys the same point rather, you made it been clear that the government is not just against one citizen but every citizens.

Without being doubted, the government do not want us to get rich but want the riches all by themselves so, whoever of us that gets riched without weighing on the wages and salaries but on investment and tradings strickly on personal entrepreneurship are like being taking the government unaware.

So before the government could realize your drift, you have already established your richness as an individual so, all they could do is to start extorting from you by taxations.

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June 15, 2024, 05:22:02 PM
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Most governments function in this manner thanks to the human greed factor which is something that will most probably never change in my honest opinion. They tax the hell out of earning people in order to survive.

Very few governments don't unfairly tax everyone though, but they make sacrifices in some other places. This is reality sadly.
Each country has its own laws and each country's taxes are different. It is sad to say that in our country, the rich and the poor are all taxed, which I am not entitled to. Even if the government taxes everything from above, those poor people can never change their condition. Even essential commodities and foodstuffs are taxed.

The people are already grinding in the mill of inflation, everything will be charged from the top. Both the poor and the government would benefit in countries where the governments take care of their people and take care of their needs, those countries become developed, and countries in which the government only fills its own pockets never get out of poverty.

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June 15, 2024, 10:53:43 PM
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I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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June 16, 2024, 03:12:17 AM
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I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.
Complaining will worsen the situation we are experiencing both now and in the future, paying taxes is an obligation for everyone but if the government cannot manage it well then everyone will choose to avoid paying it due to various reasons they have, I think those who have there is a lot of wealth and the taxes they have to pay are not large, of course they have done things that are contrary to the law and I am very sure they will falsify their tax documents and it is impossible for some people who have a lot of wealth but have a small amount of tax to pay.

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June 16, 2024, 03:46:07 AM
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I think, you know that government cannot make progress without collecting taxes from the citizens in a country, because that is their source of income which they can use to finance other projects that will bring development to the country. If the country is not developed, it will be the shame of the government and if the country is developed to be among the developed countries in the world it will bring good name to the government in power, government need to collect taxes from poor and wealthy in a country. I think, there are some government that are investing in their citizens to grow and bring progress to the country by giving citizens capital to start up a business, giving citizens scholarships to travel to any country of their choice to study.

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June 18, 2024, 06:03:53 AM
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To be fair, rich people do not pay that much tax anyway, it's us that carry the load and I believe that it should definitely not be an issue for us to pay these taxes, that's fine. What I believe is that everyone should pay their fair share of the taxes, I am fine with paying high amount of taxes that government charges me, that's just how governments stay afloat, one thing I am not happy about is companies avoiding tax, and rich people avoiding tax. So far, for the past 100 years, not many governments made it possible for rich people and companies to pay taxes, if you ever try to, they just move their headquarters somewhere else.

This is why I suggest revenue based taxes, for every sale made in that nation, even if you are a foreign company, your revenue will be taxed. That would work wonders, you can either stop selling or have to pay taxes, those would be only options.

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June 18, 2024, 08:21:28 AM
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It is ok to pay taxes specially when the amount is depending on your status in life, because taxes is used by the government to improve the economy, building structures, hospital, road, schools, etc., if the government officials are not corrupt the country will not suffer from the different rising of daily needs price, and medicine, or in high tuition fee in public schools, they don't care for no one but they care about the taxes because the taxes will help a lot in the  monthly or yearly budget in the country.

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I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.
While taxing people could be quite annoying, but yes you are right, if they are the one who also benefit or majority will benefit out from those projects made through taxes, then I don’t think complaining will still be reasonable. After all, the tax they have to paid is just a small percentage out from their whole one month salary.

However, poor citizens are not required to pay tax simply because they also lack the means to pay for it. But if ever they also land stable jobs in the future, surely they won’t be exempted as well paying their taxes.

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June 18, 2024, 11:03:28 PM
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I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.
While taxing people could be quite annoying, but yes you are right, if they are the one who also benefit or majority will benefit out from those projects made through taxes, then I don’t think complaining will still be reasonable. After all, the tax they have to paid is just a small percentage out from their whole one month salary.

However, poor citizens are not required to pay tax simply because they also lack the means to pay for it. But if ever they also land stable jobs in the future, surely they won’t be exempted as well paying their taxes.

Yes, it is just a small percent of the salary. But I think why people complain is when they aren’t seeing the result of the tax they are paying. And like I said, it depends on the country. There would be a country where citizens are discouraged from paying tax because all they have paid for years can’t be seeing. Meanwhile some top countries can visibly show you where your tax goes. I’m talking about countries where there’s good roads, government hospitals, proper water and power supply, and all of that.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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question[/b].... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
You should know that government help is limited. meaning they can't afford to train everyone in the society, government have their role to play but can't help everyone. It is the obligation of a parent to take full responsibility of their children while the government take care of the moral and legal right of a person. It is certain in every country that government will require tax from its citizens to make the economy great. Though where the government only play most role is when they employ you in any of the sector like agriculture, political, educational, industrial and judicial sector etc. after a person might have graduated from Higher institutions, the person will go in to labour market and may get employed or may be self-employed which as a full grown citizens of a country wether government employee or private/self employed, you have the right to pay tax to support your country. it has been like that for a very long time. If government want to train everyone in the society, am afraid the economy may go bankrupt.

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June 19, 2024, 12:59:24 PM
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I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.
While taxing people could be quite annoying, but yes you are right, if they are the one who also benefit or majority will benefit out from those projects made through taxes, then I don’t think complaining will still be reasonable. After all, the tax they have to paid is just a small percentage out from their whole one month salary.

However, poor citizens are not required to pay tax simply because they also lack the means to pay for it. But if ever they also land stable jobs in the future, surely they won’t be exempted as well paying their taxes.
I mean they are not "forced" to because they can't, but also we need to remember that even poor citizens do pay taxes. Well maybe not pay income tax, but when you buy something as simple as bread, you are getting taxed, you can buy water, beer, cheese, whatever you are buying, it is all costing you money to pay the tax for it as well, and remember those companies who built those, also pay taxes, so they put that in the price as well, so that means you are paying that too, in order to keep those companies profitable so they can continue.

All in all, even the poorest person will pay taxes, just not income tax, otherwise they are still somewhere along the chain and will be paying taxes without a trouble, so it should not be an issue at all.

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June 19, 2024, 01:38:38 PM
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question[/b].... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
You should know that government help is limited. meaning they can't afford to train everyone in the society, government have their role to play but can't help everyone. It is the obligation of a parent to take full responsibility of their children while the government take care of the moral and legal right of a person.
Government have the responsibility to create enabling environment for people to survive. There should provision of infastructure and job opportunities to enable people earn a living. How do you expect parents to take care of thier children when there are no means of making money..

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It is certain in every country that government will require tax from its citizens to make the economy great. Though where the government only play most role is when they employ you in any of the sector like agriculture, political, educational, industrial and judicial sector etc. after a person might have graduated from Higher institutions, the person will go in to labour market and may get employed or may be self-employed which as a full grown citizens of a country wether government employee or private/self employed, you have the right to pay tax to support your country. it has been like that for a very long time. If government want to train everyone in the society, am afraid the economy may go bankrupt.
It is mandatory to pay tax to the government if you are gainfully employed. But we all know that in most countries the government is corrupt which has led to the looting of the country's resources. I assume that OP is trying to state that if the government wants to get more revenue from tax, they should create more employment opportunities for citizens. His point is that a country without basic amenities and job opportunities will not be able to generate high revenue from taxes.

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