The government cares for no one but waits for you to get rich for taxes paying.

[justdimin]

Governments and the wealth that controls them don't really want you to become rich.  For the system to work most citizens need to remain in either the government dependent category (welfare) or in the wage / salary category where you shoulder the largest percentage of the cumulative tax burden.  There is a reason public education systems do not teach financial responsibility and society, corporations, and media instead push the traps of debt and consumerism upon the populace. 

I do not think that "they do not want you to get rich" is the right thing to say here, they just don't want general public to have a decent life, but they do not care about the individual. If you personally end up building a business and become a billionaire one day, they are not going to stand on your way, but if you want to make the minimum wage in the USA 20 dollars, they are going to do all they can to try and stop you, that's the most important part.

That is why there is a difference between "they do not want you to get rich" and "they do not want us to get rich", if you say one, then it's like they hate you personally, if you say the other it's mostly about them wanting more money and power at that moment and not really personal.

[EluguHcman]

Governments and the wealth that controls them don't really want you to become rich.  For the system to work most citizens need to remain in either the government dependent category (welfare) or in the wage / salary category where you shoulder the largest percentage of the cumulative tax burden.  There is a reason public education systems do not teach financial responsibility and society, corporations, and media instead push the traps of debt and consumerism upon the populace. 

I do not think that "they do not want you to get rich" is the right thing to say here, they just don't want general public to have a decent life, but they do not care about the individual. If you personally end up building a business and become a billionaire one day, they are not going to stand on your way, but if you want to make the minimum wage in the USA 20 dollars, they are going to do all they can to try and stop you, that's the most important part.

That is why there is a difference between "they do not want you to get rich" and "they do not want us to get rich", if you say one, then it's like they hate you personally, if you say the other it's mostly about them wanting more money and power at that moment and not really personal.

Well, I like your synonym but though they both conveys the same point rather, you made it been clear that the government is not just against one citizen but every citizens.

Without being doubted, the government do not want us to get rich but want the riches all by themselves so, whoever of us that gets riched without weighing on the wages and salaries but on investment and tradings strickly on personal entrepreneurship are like being taking the government unaware.

So before the government could realize your drift, you have already established your richness as an individual so, all they could do is to start extorting from you by taxations.

[doomloop]

Most governments function in this manner thanks to the human greed factor which is something that will most probably never change in my honest opinion. They tax the hell out of earning people in order to survive.

Very few governments don't unfairly tax everyone though, but they make sacrifices in some other places. This is reality sadly.

Each country has its own laws and each country's taxes are different. It is sad to say that in our country, the rich and the poor are all taxed, which I am not entitled to. Even if the government taxes everything from above, those poor people can never change their condition. Even essential commodities and foodstuffs are taxed.

The people are already grinding in the mill of inflation, everything will be charged from the top. Both the poor and the government would benefit in countries where the governments take care of their people and take care of their needs, those countries become developed, and countries in which the government only fills its own pockets never get out of poverty.

[oktana]

I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.

[Lantind]

I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.

Complaining will worsen the situation we are experiencing both now and in the future, paying taxes is an obligation for everyone but if the government cannot manage it well then everyone will choose to avoid paying it due to various reasons they have, I think those who have there is a lot of wealth and the taxes they have to pay are not large, of course they have done things that are contrary to the law and I am very sure they will falsify their tax documents and it is impossible for some people who have a lot of wealth but have a small amount of tax to pay.

[Sebas.tian]

I think, you know that government cannot make progress without collecting taxes from the citizens in a country, because that is their source of income which they can use to finance other projects that will bring development to the country. If the country is not developed, it will be the shame of the government and if the country is developed to be among the developed countries in the world it will bring good name to the government in power, government need to collect taxes from poor and wealthy in a country. I think, there are some government that are investing in their citizens to grow and bring progress to the country by giving citizens capital to start up a business, giving citizens scholarships to travel to any country of their choice to study.

[bitgolden]

To be fair, rich people do not pay that much tax anyway, it's us that carry the load and I believe that it should definitely not be an issue for us to pay these taxes, that's fine. What I believe is that everyone should pay their fair share of the taxes, I am fine with paying high amount of taxes that government charges me, that's just how governments stay afloat, one thing I am not happy about is companies avoiding tax, and rich people avoiding tax. So far, for the past 100 years, not many governments made it possible for rich people and companies to pay taxes, if you ever try to, they just move their headquarters somewhere else.

This is why I suggest revenue based taxes, for every sale made in that nation, even if you are a foreign company, your revenue will be taxed. That would work wonders, you can either stop selling or have to pay taxes, those would be only options.

[rhodelmabanal]

It is ok to pay taxes specially when the amount is depending on your status in life, because taxes is used by the government to improve the economy, building structures, hospital, road, schools, etc., if the government officials are not corrupt the country will not suffer from the different rising of daily needs price, and medicine, or in high tuition fee in public schools, they don't care for no one but they care about the taxes because the taxes will help a lot in the  monthly or yearly budget in the country.

[Maslate]

I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.

While taxing people could be quite annoying, but yes you are right, if they are the one who also benefit or majority will benefit out from those projects made through taxes, then I don’t think complaining will still be reasonable. After all, the tax they have to paid is just a small percentage out from their whole one month salary.

However, poor citizens are not required to pay tax simply because they also lack the means to pay for it. But if ever they also land stable jobs in the future, surely they won’t be exempted as well paying their taxes.

[oktana]

I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.

While taxing people could be quite annoying, but yes you are right, if they are the one who also benefit or majority will benefit out from those projects made through taxes, then I don’t think complaining will still be reasonable. After all, the tax they have to paid is just a small percentage out from their whole one month salary.

However, poor citizens are not required to pay tax simply because they also lack the means to pay for it. But if ever they also land stable jobs in the future, surely they won’t be exempted as well paying their taxes.

Yes, it is just a small percent of the salary. But I think why people complain is when they aren’t seeing the result of the tax they are paying. And like I said, it depends on the country. There would be a country where citizens are discouraged from paying tax because all they have paid for years can’t be seeing. Meanwhile some top countries can visibly show you where your tax goes. I’m talking about countries where there’s good roads, government hospitals, proper water and power supply, and all of that.

[Pi-network314159]

question[/b].... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?

You should know that government help is limited. meaning they can't afford to train everyone in the society, government have their role to play but can't help everyone. It is the obligation of a parent to take full responsibility of their children while the government take care of the moral and legal right of a person. It is certain in every country that government will require tax from its citizens to make the economy great. Though where the government only play most role is when they employ you in any of the sector like agriculture, political, educational, industrial and judicial sector etc. after a person might have graduated from Higher institutions, the person will go in to labour market and may get employed or may be self-employed which as a full grown citizens of a country wether government employee or private/self employed, you have the right to pay tax to support your country. it has been like that for a very long time. If government want to train everyone in the society, am afraid the economy may go bankrupt.

[beerlover]

I wish to remind you that complaining would depend on the country. In top countries, the tax is duly used that it makes sense to pay it as required. If you’re in a country where the tax isn’t used properly maybe due to bad politicians in power then I understand your why. I think the reason why tax isn’t asked from people with lower earning is because it’s not so much to get from them, and yet they’d keep struggling. As we can tell, wealthy people have more and the tax isn’t a lot for them to pay.

While taxing people could be quite annoying, but yes you are right, if they are the one who also benefit or majority will benefit out from those projects made through taxes, then I don’t think complaining will still be reasonable. After all, the tax they have to paid is just a small percentage out from their whole one month salary.

However, poor citizens are not required to pay tax simply because they also lack the means to pay for it. But if ever they also land stable jobs in the future, surely they won’t be exempted as well paying their taxes.

I mean they are not "forced" to because they can't, but also we need to remember that even poor citizens do pay taxes. Well maybe not pay income tax, but when you buy something as simple as bread, you are getting taxed, you can buy water, beer, cheese, whatever you are buying, it is all costing you money to pay the tax for it as well, and remember those companies who built those, also pay taxes, so they put that in the price as well, so that means you are paying that too, in order to keep those companies profitable so they can continue.

All in all, even the poorest person will pay taxes, just not income tax, otherwise they are still somewhere along the chain and will be paying taxes without a trouble, so it should not be an issue at all.

[Die_empty]

question[/b].... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?

You should know that government help is limited. meaning they can't afford to train everyone in the society, government have their role to play but can't help everyone. It is the obligation of a parent to take full responsibility of their children while the government take care of the moral and legal right of a person.

Government have the responsibility to create enabling environment for people to survive. There should provision of infastructure and job opportunities to enable people earn a living. How do you expect parents to take care of thier children when there are no means of making money..

It is certain in every country that government will require tax from its citizens to make the economy great. Though where the government only play most role is when they employ you in any of the sector like agriculture, political, educational, industrial and judicial sector etc. after a person might have graduated from Higher institutions, the person will go in to labour market and may get employed or may be self-employed which as a full grown citizens of a country wether government employee or private/self employed, you have the right to pay tax to support your country. it has been like that for a very long time. If government want to train everyone in the society, am afraid the economy may go bankrupt.

It is mandatory to pay tax to the government if you are gainfully employed. But we all know that in most countries the government is corrupt which has led to the looting of the country's resources. I assume that OP is trying to state that if the government wants to get more revenue from tax, they should create more employment opportunities for citizens. His point is that a country without basic amenities and job opportunities will not be able to generate high revenue from taxes.

[MissNonFall9]

A country's government uses all sources of domestic revenue to run the country. These include foreign earnings export earnings direct and indirect taxes etc. Many of us may not know that we pay taxes without our knowledge because those who are not eligible to pay direct taxes indirectly pay taxes to the government by purchasing daily necessities. Again many rich people take all measures to evade their taxes which is a big obstacle to the development of the country and nation.

It's even more insidious than that.  Governments spend far more than they steal in taxes.  They must borrow the remainder.  The treasury bills that I invest in when the interest rates are high enough are nothing more than loans to the US Government that they must pay back with interest.   

The means of financing the government of every country are taxes and other sources that are used for the welfare of the people. Again if the money is not collected the country has to resort to loans. But what the government collects from us again creates various opportunities for our work so that our work productivity increases and can contribute to the domestic economy. Again there are many countries that are corrupt and there is no accountability in their activities and economic development does not accelerate in those countries.

[shinratensei_]

Generally i really have no problem with taxation, most of the time, the more questionable thing is how good they put those taxes to use, you know through providing public facilities and giving healthcare for their citizen, I think that's what matters to judge whether the taxes really put to good use or not.

Can't deny that country won't run without taxes and most of government that are good already investing in their citizens through scholarships and low interest loan, the reason why government don't taxes the poor because the poor is the one that needs welfare, taxing them kinda defeats the point isn't it.

Honestly, if any, it'd be great if the government can somewhat adopt better approach on disclosing the use of their taxes to the public sort of increasing the transparency. so, the public like us could know that there's no leakage of money that doesn't benefit the taxpayers at all.

[Fortify]

I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

Very few people suddenly "become rich", they have either developed a company over many years or worked their way up through company ranks to ever higher salaries. During that time you have progressively paying more tax as you move through the different tax bands based on earnings. At the lowest rungs of salaries, you might pay 20% on your earnings and at the highest you might start paying 40%+ on earnings but the change happens gradually. You seem to think that taxes are inherently bad and is just a one way street, you pay money for nothing in return. However, unless you have a completely corrupt and/or incompetent government you are paying for things that are used throughout society and many things that you may never encounter, like prisons.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

Do you think it is the rich that are paying for your taxes, the poor are those paying more taxes, you're paying for yours and that if the rich. You get taxed more when you buy things in retails because all the business are adding their taxes and they add prices to the goods being sold and when you buy things, you're paying more but the rich buy in whole sales, the discount you get would make your expenses to be reduced.  The rich has ways they use to avoid taxes but the poor man aren't allowed such privileges so they are the only ones the government can suck dry for their taxes.

The government will make it to look like everybody is receiving equal taxes but in reality the poorer you are the more taxes you pay. The money might be small in your eyes but lookout the percentage you're paying in comparison to the money you have but the rich is paying less and left with more wealth. The government doesn't pray for you to be rich because when you do you'll be out of their trap and with your connections you'll be able to get out of taxes but the poorer the citizens remain the more the government gets to fund their budget without improving the economy.

[Silberman]

Very few people suddenly "become rich", they have either developed a company over many years or worked their way up through company ranks to ever higher salaries. During that time you have progressively paying more tax as you move through the different tax bands based on earnings. At the lowest rungs of salaries, you might pay 20% on your earnings and at the highest you might start paying 40%+ on earnings but the change happens gradually. You seem to think that taxes are inherently bad and is just a one way street, you pay money for nothing in return. However, unless you have a completely corrupt and/or incompetent government you are paying for things that are used throughout society and many things that you may never encounter, like prisons.

Taxes follow a curve similar to a bell in which those at the opposite sides, those that are incredibly rich and those that are very poor, do not pay much in terms of taxes, but as you begin to move to the center, the taxes you need to pay grow significantly, as we must remember that we pay taxes not only when we do so explicit to the government, but we do so when we make almost any transaction, the issue is that while I can understand those that have nothing to pay a low amount of taxes too, it is a problem when the rich do it, as there are people out there which are billionaires and that pay less taxes than we do, and this is clearly unfair.

[uneng]

Taxes follow a curve similar to a bell in which those at the opposite sides, those that are incredibly rich and those that are very poor, do not pay much in terms of taxes, but as you begin to move to the center, the taxes you need to pay grow significantly, as we must remember that we pay taxes not only when we do so explicit to the government, but we do so when we make almost any transaction, the issue is that while I can understand those that have nothing to pay a low amount of taxes too, it is a problem when the rich do it, as there are people out there which are billionaires and that pay less taxes than we do, and this is clearly unfair.

That is right. The ones at the top and at the bottom aren't heavily impacted by taxes. The middle classes are. The government protects the richest, because if regulators introduce tax policy against them, their wealth leaves the country immediately to a more friendly country which won't charge them at all... Meanwhile, the poors don't have much to contribute and heavily rely on welfare programs to survive, so the final burden is carried by the middle classes, who are the most prejudiced ones, since they want to work and thrive, but find many obstacles on the way, because the government sabotages them all the time through abusive taxes.

As far as I've seen, countries haven't managed to get rid of this vicious cycle yet. Here in my country, officially, around 40% of the yearly income of an average citizen returns to the government through taxes. That is insane, and for much less we already had armed revolts in a far historical past against the imperial government.

[Kakmakr]

It is not really a situation where the government is waiting for people to become rich, before they are taxed.. they simply tax rich people more to help them to pay their salaries and also to help them to pay for services that they need to render to the community.

Who will fund these services, if the rich are not helping to pay for these services?