"If you were the President of the DGC Foundation, what would be your next step?"

[seleme]

Sorry, but "we don't want to go DRK way" is absolute bullshit

You, me and everyone else involved with DGC in any way, and specially by holding it, would kill for going DRK way. Going DRK way is all that matters in this industry and it's the single way for coin to prospect and be in people's minds with 1000+ other coins around. Volume, pumps, volume, more pumps, volume, price rise is the only way for coins to get any following, do you think so many mainstream companies would adapt Bitcoin if it was still 5$ a piece? It would my ass, nobody but oldtimers from that pweiod would know about it and there would be no marketing purposes of adapting it.

"We're doing it our own way silently in the background" is just a nothing marketing line translating to we're where we are and don't have idea what to do to go up from here. I understand that, I don't have idea too. DGC had it's chance being in first group of alt revolution but unfortunately Baritus screwed it a lot when it mattered most and some significant stuff is required to bring it back to the spotlight. It's shame, really shame, it's name only should make it to top 10 alts out there.

[SimonTower]

Sorry, but "we don't want to go DRK way" is absolute bullshit

You, me and everyone else involved with DGC in any way, and specially by holding it, would kill for going DRK way. Going DRK way is all that matters in this industry and it's the single way for coin to prospect and be in people's minds with 1000+ other coins around. Volume, pumps, volume, more pumps, volume, price rise is the only way for coins to get any following, do you think so many mainstream companies would adapt Bitcoin if it was still 5$ a piece? It would my ass, nobody but oldtimers from that pweiod would know about it and there would be no marketing purposes of adapting it.

"We're doing it our own way silently in the background" is just a nothing marketing line translating to we're where we are and don't have idea what to do to go up from here. I understand that, I don't have idea too. DGC had it's chance being in first group of alt revolution but unfortunately Baritus screwed it a lot when it mattered most and some significant stuff is required to bring it back to the spotlight. It's shame, really shame, it's name only should make it to top 10 alts out there.

I think cosmo thought that we don't want to be the #1 altcoin with hundreds of tricks, market manipulations,etc. but I think we should be in top10 with clean conscience.
Yeah, Baritus screwed lot of things, but he wasn't the main reason. Look at the continually developed coins from 2013...everyone is "dying".

[kelsey]

agreed and hence why the various 'quit' replies sound like pretty sound advice to me  

Suppose I should pack it all up and move along because some devs of other coins told me to; Sounds like solid advice to me

you're question has always been what would be 'your' next move, and in reference to me that's exactly what I would do, tis not at all advice on what you should do.

and to quit sounds like sound advice, as you stated you can't change the past, so dgc will always be haunted by its past.

Fair enough. I appreciate your input!

and by a past that got on peoples bad side I wasn't talking just Baritus, a few core members of dgc earlier on took to ddos.......hint didn't make some of us so happy did my defence by building a dgc holding war chest

[mrbodz]

who took to ddos? I'm not aware of anyone myself?

Ahmed

[cosmoo]

That not even an achievement. What i have seen in all my time is that coins with no active development and advancement die. coins without purpose die. Coins without direction die.

DGC is dying because it has 70 nodes. When i mined it along with worldcoin and the rest from that period, they had THOUSANDS of nodes. Interest is fading and once interest in an existing coin fades beyond a point....it dies.

No, coins that lose their communities and have nobody running the network die. Right now DGC is very much alive, quiet, but alive. We still have plenty of people mining, and we've always kept a higher position on Cryptsy and BTC38, which is saying something for a coin that hasn't been as 'successfully manipulated' as coins like DRK.

I got the 70 nodes figure from here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dgc/#!network (click on 'Geo-location'), according to this there are more people running DGC than prominent pump-n-dump coins. As of right now:

130 DGC clients
36 DRK/DASH
54 Viacoin
51 Paycoin
83 BitBay
203 Blackcoin

Now if I'm misinterpreting this data someone please let me know, but looks to me like we're doing just fine.

Sorry, but "we don't want to go DRK way" is absolute bullshit

You, me and everyone else involved with DGC in any way, and specially by holding it, would kill for going DRK way. Going DRK way is all that matters in this industry and it's the single way for coin to prospect and be in people's minds with 1000+ other coins around. Volume, pumps, volume, more pumps, volume, price rise is the only way for coins to get any following, do you think so many mainstream companies would adapt Bitcoin if it was still 5$ a piece? It would my ass, nobody but oldtimers from that pweiod would know about it and there would be no marketing purposes of adapting it.

"We're doing it our own way silently in the background" is just a nothing marketing line translating to we're where we are and don't have idea what to do to go up from here. I understand that, I don't have idea too. DGC had it's chance being in first group of alt revolution but unfortunately Baritus screwed it a lot when it mattered most and some significant stuff is required to bring it back to the spotlight. It's shame, really shame, it's name only should make it to top 10 alts out there.

I don't want to base arguments on emotion alone but there's is a ton of negativity oozing from that post; I have no problem with DGC where it is, an honest, reliable market does not skyrocket, it is stable and predictable. DGC at a 100k market cap is absolutely fine, it allows anyone to buy in at an honest price point, which increases distribution and strengthens the economy. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we went lower, seeing as only 'little guys' make up the market currently. I'd imagine the coffers of the community run up to a market cap of about 30-40k or so. The rest of the market cap is probably coming from china.

If you want to pump the coin, we'd need to consolidate all our holdings, keep them in a trusted escrow address, then contact a whale. I've actually considered this before but the distribution has just been too good over time, so oh shit, i guess we're stuck being honest. fuck us, right?? I'll repeat, there's nothing wrong with where we are now so long as people don't actually abandon the coin. If you're not happy with it, dump your 200k, I guarantee you someone will be there to buy it. Look at coins like WhiteCoin and LitecoinDark. They're languishing around at 100 satoshi levels. That's where DGC would have to go for any whales interested in accumulating a majority of the supply. (XWC is actually looking kinda frothy after having spent about a year sitting at 100 sats, might be time to buy in)

Frankly I'd prefer it if we'd increase the mint rate along with user adoption, to inhibit manipulation attempts. Seeing as we're already a very friendly coin, might as well go the extra mile.. just my opinion.

I will say that our market cap probably isn't going to swell anytime soon, but if we do dip below 50k there will be buyers waiting. Saying DGC is dead is just hasty and somewhat ignorant. We're young and there's plenty of time for things to move.

Also, as far as I'm concerned about baritus, *assuming* he did maliciously dump his PERSONAL holdings of 560k on the market in an effort to exit (march 8th on cryptsy if you want to look yourself), DGC was already on a strong downward trend, and every other coin similar to our stature has followed the same fate. I just get the feeling people attack him for their own lack of understanding of how these markets work. I lost out on DGC to, I also lost out on BTC buying too early. Blaming baritus for DGC's 'death' is short-sighted and overly dramatic, network integrity and coin price are separate matters. Then again I shouldn't really expect anything else out of Bitcointalk. If you'll do me the favor, I really don't want to talk about or defend the guy, only on the potential behind DGC which I feel still exists.

[bitcreditscc]

who took to ddos? I'm not aware of anyone myself?

Ahmed

Ahmed Bodi?

[cosmoo]

Any more questions?
~BCX~

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

[GTO911]

Yes just for you I can conjecture a full on crusade against DGC you like.

Haha, you cant do shit. Did you succeed in breaking Monero?

[SimonTower]

Any more questions?
~BCX~

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

FYI I was sent a PM by kenel and asked to participate in this thread.

Yes just for you I can conjecture a full on crusade against DGC you like.


~BCX~

Why do You so angry to DGC? If You had some problem with Baritus, find him and tell him. But what is the main reason of Your frustration against DGC?
I don't accept anything what related to Baritus, because he vanished.
Do You have any problem with Kenel, AhmedBodi, Xawksow, CoHe, Cosmo, Techbytes, Samson, Vinje, Wolf, Trenal , CptSoloMiner, Joeyjones or with me?(sorry if I missed someone) Are You hate the single miners?the supporters?

[samson]

Any more questions?
~BCX~

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

FYI I was sent a PM by kenel and asked to participate in this thread.

Yes just for you I can conjecture a full on crusade against DGC you like.


~BCX~

Why do You so angry to DGC? If You had some problem with Baritus, find him and tell him. But what is the main reason of Your frustration against DGC?
I don't accept anything what related to Baritus, because he vanished.
Do You have any problem with Kenel, AhmedBodi, Xawksow, CoHe, Cosmo, Techbytes, Samson, Vinje, Wolf, Trenal , CptSoloMiner, Joeyjones or with me?(sorry if I missed someone) Are You hate the single miners?the supporters?

Someone told me he is Baritus 

[techbytes]

Any more questions?
~BCX~

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

FYI I was sent a PM by kenel and asked to participate in this thread.

Yes just for you I can conjecture a full on crusade against DGC you like.


~BCX~

I'm sure he meant stay on topic and don't digress.  And that goes for everybody who posts in here.  There are plenty of baritus threads that you guys can post in. 


-tb-

[mrbodz]

who took to ddos? I'm not aware of anyone myself?

Ahmed

Ahmed Bodi?

Yep im ahmedbodi. Still no one answered the question. who took to DDOS?

Ahmed

[EMIF]

There are 3 ages for altcoins ( According to me)

1) 2011 - March 2013                - Birth of Altcoins
2) March 2013 - November 2013 - Altcoin Settlement
3) November 2013 - Today        - Advanced altcoins

Since DGC was in age 2 , it didnt need antyhing except good dev and community. It had along a time both. Once dev screwed everthing with his projects ,  people lost their interest on it - including me. If everything was OK, maybe DGC was still one of the mainstream altcoins with its brand name and community. But it wasnt the case. Anyway , past is past. Below tells what was my plan for DGC

So, what are the criteria of being a successful cryptocoin. At this point I agree with coblee. 3 things - as all we know: Liquidity , merchants and users.

1) Liquidity: The most important part is liquidity. I know lots of altcoin has also very low volume. You should keep volume at certain level like 20 BTC. You dont need to pump just keep some BTC for DGC and buy and sell at certain levels. For ex:

Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2000 ; Sell @ 2050
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2051 ; Sell @ 2100
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2101 ; Sell @ 2150
.....

I used this schema for decreasing the average cost of my some old altcoins but it also helps to volume of that coin. Yes , there are some risks that some one can dump lots of coins. But someone should keep the volume as high as possible.

Also, there are some efforts for decentralised exchanges. For example, Mercury is one of them . Its on alpha stage and mappum -dev- doesnt want to add low volume coins but since  it can be forked , you can add DGC once its ready to use. And becoming first coins of that kind of exchanges also boost the volume -I think.


2) Merchants: I think I have different ideas for that issue. Lets accept , DGC is stuck in cryptocommunity. Its very hard to get new users and merchants from this forum. So , you should look from out of box.

You should concentrate on the brand. DIGITAL. So , you find digital community to use DGC for digital goods. I dont mean btt. Other options.

For ex:
1) Agree with some game operators. Try to accept them to use DGC in their games. Ogame, travian etc.
2) Find/Create a VPN service which only accepts DGC (or other than bitcoin) .
3) Agree with some billing payment service to use DGC. So people can use DGC for bill payments. (Or other prepaid services)
...
The list can be extended , its all upto your imagination. But you have to find a GAME CHANGER service/activity which does not exists here -btt and current crypto community.

And also , you need a very good liquidity (volume)  after one of the above service is realized.

3) Users : I believe this part will increase when 1 & 2 happens. Of course , you will need marketing.

But , I dont think you need intensive core development. However, service based development or service adoption is the key for success of DGC - if there is a chance.

I intentionally dont use , If I became ... because I wouldnt and even if I became , I quit. Its very hard to back good old days but not impossible. If you have dedication and some extra abilities to arrange some contract with people who are infamiliar to crypto but in digital world , then you have the chance. And I really hope , you can do this.

[kenel]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "eat us alive over time" ?

no credible institution is going to take a coin such as DRK seriously, since it's already been pumped and hyped, having the credibility squeezed out of it again and agian. By keeping DGC purely a grassroots crypto it is left open to interpretation. We can effectively go wherever we want.

lack of aggressive development in this environment is suicide

That's what people always say, yet here we are, two years later with over 70 active nodes across the globe. If by aggressive development you mean tacking on gimmick after gimmick in hopes of attracting dumb money.. that's stupid. The less you screw with a sound system the less you're likely to break it.

Not saying we should ignore DGC entirely, but real innovation occurs on its own, since this is an open source environment I think we're fine as we are. Whenever a real advancement in crypto is found (not gimmicks like InstantX or whateverthehell) then we can integrate that into DGC. All we need to worry about is keeping our network healthy and clean of fraud.

Now, aggressive PR, that's something else entirely. DGC needs wayyyy more PR than it currently has. Ya'll can yell at me for being lazy about that, cuz I am.

That not even an achievement. What i have seen in all my time is that coins with no active development and advancement die. coins without purpose die. Coins without direction die.

DGC is dying because it has 70 nodes. When i mined it along with worldcoin and the rest from that period, they had THOUSANDS of nodes. Interest is fading and once interest in an existing coin fades beyond a point....it dies.

Do you know tenebrix, fairbrix? Tonal bitcoin? those were the starter alts..lack of everything left them dead and buried.

cosmoo....starting from page 10 of the altcoin section.....i give you reality. And unless something happens sonn, DGc will average page 32 of the alt section

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. What basis do you have (or proof) to make your claim?

[kenel]

Sorry, but "we don't want to go DRK way" is absolute bullshit

You, me and everyone else involved with DGC in any way, and specially by holding it, would kill for going DRK way. Going DRK way is all that matters in this industry and it's the single way for coin to prospect and be in people's minds with 1000+ other coins around. Volume, pumps, volume, more pumps, volume, price rise is the only way for coins to get any following, do you think so many mainstream companies would adapt Bitcoin if it was still 5$ a piece? It would my ass, nobody but oldtimers from that pweiod would know about it and there would be no marketing purposes of adapting it.

"We're doing it our own way silently in the background" is just a nothing marketing line translating to we're where we are and don't have idea what to do to go up from here. I understand that, I don't have idea too. DGC had it's chance being in first group of alt revolution but unfortunately Baritus screwed it a lot when it mattered most and some significant stuff is required to bring it back to the spotlight. It's shame, really shame, it's name only should make it to top 10 alts out there.

Forget baritus. This isn't about baritus.

Talk to me. What do we do to make it right?

[kenel]

agreed and hence why the various 'quit' replies sound like pretty sound advice to me  

Suppose I should pack it all up and move along because some devs of other coins told me to; Sounds like solid advice to me

you're question has always been what would be 'your' next move, and in reference to me that's exactly what I would do, tis not at all advice on what you should do.

and to quit sounds like sound advice, as you stated you can't change the past, so dgc will always be haunted by its past.

Fair enough. I appreciate your input!

and by a past that got on peoples bad side I wasn't talking just Baritus, a few core members of dgc earlier on took to ddos.......hint didn't make some of us so happy did my defence by building a dgc holding war chest

kelsey, would you be willing to join our IRC channel and hash this out with me personally?

[kenel]

Any more questions?
~BCX~

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

FYI I was sent a PM by kenel and asked to participate in this thread.

Yes just for you I can conjecture a full on crusade against DGC you like.


~BCX~

I asked BCX to participate in this thread. I want everything, absolutely everything out in the open.

[SimonTower]

There are 3 ages for altcoins ( According to me)

1) 2011 - March 2013                - Birth of Altcoins
2) March 2013 - November 2013 - Altcoin Settlement
3) November 2013 - Today        - Advanced altcoins

Since DGC was in age 2 , it didnt need antyhing except good dev and community. It had along a time both. Once dev screwed everthing with his projects ,  people lost their interest on it - including me. If everything was OK, maybe DGC was still one of the mainstream altcoins with its brand name and community. But it wasnt the case. Anyway , past is past. Below tells what was my plan for DGC

So, what are the criteria of being a successful cryptocoin. At this point I agree with coblee. 3 things - as all we know: Liquidity , merchants and users.

1) Liquidity: The most important part is liquidity. I know lots of altcoin has also very low volume. You should keep volume at certain level like 20 BTC. You dont need to pump just keep some BTC for DGC and buy and sell at certain levels. For ex:

Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2000 ; Sell @ 2050
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2051 ; Sell @ 2100
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2101 ; Sell @ 2150
.....

I used this schema for decreasing the average cost of my some old altcoins but it also helps to volume of that coin. Yes , there are some risks that some one can dump lots of coins. But someone should keep the volume as high as possible.

Also, there are some efforts for decentralised exchanges. For example, Mercury is one of them . Its on alpha stage and mappum -dev- doesnt want to add low volume coins but since  it can be forked , you can add DGC once its ready to use. And becoming first coins of that kind of exchanges also boost the volume -I think.


2) Merchants: I think I have different ideas for that issue. Lets accept , DGC is stuck in cryptocommunity. Its very hard to get new users and merchants from this forum. So , you should look from out of box.

You should concentrate on the brand. DIGITAL. So , you find digital community to use DGC for digital goods. I dont mean btt. Other options.

For ex:
1) Agree with some game operators. Try to accept them to use DGC in their games. Ogame, travian etc.
2) Find/Create a VPN service which only accepts DGC (or other than bitcoin) .
3) Agree with some billing payment service to use DGC. So people can use DGC for bill payments. (Or other prepaid services)
...
The list can be extended , its all upto your imagination. But you have to find a GAME CHANGER service/activity which does not exists here -btt and current crypto community.

And also , you need a very good liquidity (volume)  after one of the above service is realized.

3) Users : I believe this part will increase when 1 & 2 happens. Of course , you will need marketing.

But , I dont think you need intensive core development. However, service based development or service adoption is the key for success of DGC - if there is a chance.

I intentionally dont use , If I became ... because I wouldnt and even if I became , I quit. Its very hard to back good old days but not impossible. If you have dedication and some extra abilities to arrange some contract with people who are infamiliar to crypto but in digital world , then you have the chance. And I really hope , you can do this.

I completly agree with You. Our volume is rising now day by day at Bittrex and Cryptsy, we have list with 50 merchants now with many VPN services, BitBill on the way.

[kenel]

Any more questions?
~BCX~

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

FYI I was sent a PM by kenel and asked to participate in this thread.

Yes just for you I can conjecture a full on crusade against DGC you like.


~BCX~

I'm sure he meant stay on topic and don't digress.  And that goes for everybody who posts in here.  There are plenty of baritus threads that you guys can post in. 


-tb-

I want it out in the open. Post it here.

For every "baritus did XYZ" and "I don't trust baritus because XYZ".....I challenge you to a debate on our IRC channel or on this forum. I want it out in the open.

[kenel]

There are 3 ages for altcoins ( According to me)

1) 2011 - March 2013                - Birth of Altcoins
2) March 2013 - November 2013 - Altcoin Settlement
3) November 2013 - Today        - Advanced altcoins

Since DGC was in age 2 , it didnt need antyhing except good dev and community. It had along a time both. Once dev screwed everthing with his projects ,  people lost their interest on it - including me. If everything was OK, maybe DGC was still one of the mainstream altcoins with its brand name and community. But it wasnt the case. Anyway , past is past. Below tells what was my plan for DGC

So, what are the criteria of being a successful cryptocoin. At this point I agree with coblee. 3 things - as all we know: Liquidity , merchants and users.

1) Liquidity: The most important part is liquidity. I know lots of altcoin has also very low volume. You should keep volume at certain level like 20 BTC. You dont need to pump just keep some BTC for DGC and buy and sell at certain levels. For ex:

Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2000 ; Sell @ 2050
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2051 ; Sell @ 2100
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2101 ; Sell @ 2150
.....

I used this schema for decreasing the average cost of my some old altcoins but it also helps to volume of that coin. Yes , there are some risks that some one can dump lots of coins. But someone should keep the volume as high as possible.

Also, there are some efforts for decentralised exchanges. For example, Mercury is one of them . Its on alpha stage and mappum -dev- doesnt want to add low volume coins but since  it can be forked , you can add DGC once its ready to use. And becoming first coins of that kind of exchanges also boost the volume -I think.


2) Merchants: I think I have different ideas for that issue. Lets accept , DGC is stuck in cryptocommunity. Its very hard to get new users and merchants from this forum. So , you should look from out of box.

You should concentrate on the brand. DIGITAL. So , you find digital community to use DGC for digital goods. I dont mean btt. Other options.

For ex:
1) Agree with some game operators. Try to accept them to use DGC in their games. Ogame, travian etc.
2) Find/Create a VPN service which only accepts DGC (or other than bitcoin) .
3) Agree with some billing payment service to use DGC. So people can use DGC for bill payments. (Or other prepaid services)
...
The list can be extended , its all upto your imagination. But you have to find a GAME CHANGER service/activity which does not exists here -btt and current crypto community.

And also , you need a very good liquidity (volume)  after one of the above service is realized.

3) Users : I believe this part will increase when 1 & 2 happens. Of course , you will need marketing.

But , I dont think you need intensive core development. However, service based development or service adoption is the key for success of DGC - if there is a chance.

I intentionally dont use , If I became ... because I wouldnt and even if I became , I quit. Its very hard to back good old days but not impossible. If you have dedication and some extra abilities to arrange some contract with people who are infamiliar to crypto but in digital world , then you have the chance. And I really hope , you can do this.

I appreciate your input and agree with you on 2 & 3.

In regard to #1 ---......

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