Bitmain Antminer S6 and S7 Speculation

[dmwardjr]

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No they haven't. All I've been told is S7 would be announced around July with the new "innovative and competetive chip" and that "right now we have no more info to the public". I would bet the comms are pretty similar to the BM1384, which was identical to the BM1382 as far as I can tell, but the pinouts and packages haven't yet been the same from one chip to the next so I don't expect them to do it again. Hopefully it wouldn't take long to adapt a functional BM1384 board to a BM1386 (or whatever) board if they don't change their IO protocols and voltages,  basically just redrawing footprints and rerouting some lines.

Then you can make some USB sticks, and make some return for the near future, I'm interested in the miners, but the questios is the cost of the unit.

If the numbering of rigs is consistent with past numbers of rigs by Bitmaintech, the S6 (even number) will be a large form factor with built-in PSU like the S2 and S4 models.  The S7 (odd number) will be a similar form factor to the S3 and S5 without PSU.

I would expect the S7 to be approximately 2 TH/s @ .37 watts per GH for a total of 740 watts to make it available for power from a 750 watt [preferably 850 watt] PSU. 

I would expect the S6 to be approximately 4 TH/s @ .35 watts per GH for a total of 1,400 watts from a built in PSU that is able to provide 1,600 to 1,800 watts for potential over clocking.

As for the pricing of each rig; only time will tell.  The price seems to fluctuate with the price of Bitcoin as of late.

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[Amph]

i would expect at least 22nm for one of the two, or you think it's still to early for that?

[dmwardjr]

i would expect at least 22nm for one of the two, or you think it's still to early for that?

Hard to say, Amph.  Most expect ASIC manufacturers to skip the 22nm.  However, they just might go with it at the right price.  Only time will tell.  I'm kind of leaning towards the 22nm.  Hence the .37 watts per GH for the S7 and .35 watts per GH for the S6.

[dmwardjr]

A part of me also has me believing manufacturers will not go with the 16nm until the price comes down.  Availability of the 14nm doesn't look too good either.

Also, the 14nm would be quite a big jump in power efficiency and would make the selling of such rigs skyrocket.  As such a rig would last a long time concerning its race with difficulty.  That's my opinion anyway.  I don't know that a rig with efficiency as low as .17 watts per GH is good for bitcoin mining right now or not.  If it was made available, only the big boys could afford it.  As it would be quite expensive due to the present costs of the 14nm chips.

I do know this will be a very interesting year in bitcoin mining rigs.  That's for sure.

[alani123]

BITMAIN Earth S1, the beginning.


First of all, s6 will not operate on SHA-256 ASICS.

S6 will operate on 10mm supercomputers made from mutated, hyperintelligent human brain cells. Bitmain estimates that those miners are going to be so efficient and effective that about 1/5 of the world's population will in some way invest in bitcoin. The demand is going to be so high that the bubble that's going to be created will make Bitmain the largest company in terms of revenue and reserves on earth.

Bitmain creates its own state and decentral bank. Shortly after they announce that there's not going to be a s7 miner since s6 turned out to be so efficient that it will remain profitable until the day only transaction fees are mined.

That's when Bitmain decides to invest into spacecrafts. In record time, they successfully launch a manned mission to Europa, the frozen moon. They establish a base there, this way it's easier for them to satisfy demand for miners from outer space. They also cover the planet's surface with self-sufficient S6s and since the planet itself is so cold, they manage to overclock them at a stable +40% hashrate.



Hashnest.com is now the main source of income of every state, human being and company worldwide. The planet is renamed to Bitmain Earth s1.

[dmwardjr]

 

Sounds like they have a plan indeed.  Welcome to planet S1...

Quite the imagination you have there...

[dmwardjr]

It's actually quite possible the S6 has the same chip as the S5 and comes out in April at .49 watts per GH and powered by a 2,200 watt PSU but running at 1,960 watts at 4,000 GH/s.  This would make it within the wattage available for a 120 volt/20 amp circuit @ 2400 watts.  They may recommend it for a 240 volt circuit and insist the 120 volt circuit have 12 gauge wiring and a 20 amp outlet.  Most outlets wired to a 20 amp circuit in the home are rated at 15 amps (1,800 watts).  One would need to go to the local hardware store to purchase a 20 amp outlet while making sure the wiring for the outlet is in fact 12 AWG and not 14 AWG.

Then we see the new chips in the S7 in July.

I think this will more than likely be the case after further thought.

[notlist3d]

It's actually quite possible the S6 has the same chip as the S5 and comes out in April at .49 watts per GH and powered by a 2,200 watt PSU but running at 1,960 watts at 4,000 GH/s.  This would make it within the wattage available for a 120 volt/20 amp circuit @ 2400 watts.  They may recommend it for a 240 volt circuit and insist the 120 volt circuit have 12 gauge wiring and a 20 amp outlet.  Most outlets wired to a 20 amp circuit in the home are rated at 15 amps (1,800 watts).  One would need to go to the local hardware store to purchase a 20 amp outlet while making sure the wiring for the outlet is in fact 12 AWG and not 14 AWG.

Then we see the new chips in the S7 in July.

I think this will more than likely be the case after further thought.

That would be a big jump if they go from 110 to 220.  I think they would stay with 110 since use it so many models.  But who knows.

[dmwardjr]

It's actually quite possible the S6 has the same chip as the S5 and comes out in April at .49 watts per GH and powered by a 2,200 watt PSU but running at 1,960 watts at 4,000 GH/s.  This would make it within the wattage available for a 120 volt/20 amp circuit @ 2400 watts.  They may recommend it for a 240 volt circuit and insist the 120 volt circuit have 12 gauge wiring and a 20 amp outlet.  Most outlets wired to a 20 amp circuit in the home are rated at 15 amps (1,800 watts).  One would need to go to the local hardware store to purchase a 20 amp outlet while making sure the wiring for the outlet is in fact 12 AWG and not 14 AWG.

Then we see the new chips in the S7 in July.

I think this will more than likely be the case after further thought.

That would be a big jump if they go from 110 to 220.  I think they would stay with 110 since use it so many models.  But who knows.

Yes, it would be a big jump.  I can still see them saying this could be used on 120 volt but with stipulations like I mentioned.  They would probably say if on 120 volt, it needs to be dedicated to this rig; having 12 AWG wiring feeding a 20 AMP outlet; not a 15 AMP outlet.

[desertfox470]

Speculation? Well I have some insider information.


First of all, s6 will not operate on SHA-256 ASICS.

S6 will operate on 10mm supercomputers made from mutated, hyperintelligent human brain cells. Bitmain estimates that those miners are going to be so efficient and effective that about 1/5 of the world's population will in some way invest in bitcoin. The demand is going to be so high that the bubble that's going to be created will make Bitmain the largest company in terms of revenue and reserves on earth.

Bitmain creates its own state and decentral bank. Shortly after they announce that there's not going to be a s7 miner since s6 turned out to be so efficient that it will remain profitable until the day only transaction fees are mined.

That's when Bitmain decides to invest into spacecrafts. In record time, they successfully launch a manned mission to Europa, the frozen moon. They establish a base there, this way it's easier for them to satisfy demand for miners from outer space. They also cover the planet's surface with self-sufficient S6s and since the planet itself is so cold, they manage to overclock them at a stable +40% hashrate.



Hashnest.com is now the main source of income of every state, human being and company worldwide. The planet is renamed to Bitmain Earth s1.

Sounds like a plan to me It is predicted though there may be planet size computers in the future. It would be truly amazing to see.

[Minerjoe]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

[dmwardjr]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

I'm still thinking mid to late April.

[Minerjoe]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

I'm still thinking mid to late April.

Well, with the current BTC price, I m really not sure how profitable for them is to develop new miners. The profit margin s really, really low.

[notlist3d]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

I'm still thinking mid to late April.

Well, with the current BTC price, I m really not sure how profitable for them is to develop new miners. The profit margin s really, really low.

I think this is part of why it's taking so long.  These big mining outfits did not get big by being stupid.  If they can run this gen gear a while longer and not rush to a new generation it makes sense to a point.

Also at a point when electricity vs hash is to low then there will be more of a incentive to go develop next gen gear.

[dmwardjr]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

I'm still thinking mid to late April.

Well, with the current BTC price, I m really not sure how profitable for them is to develop new miners. The profit margin s really, really low.

I think this is part of why it's taking so long.  These big mining outfits did not get big by being stupid.  If they can run this gen gear a while longer and not rush to a new generation it makes sense to a point.

Also at a point when electricity vs hash is to low then there will be more of a incentive to go develop next gen gear.

I would have to agree with you there.

[crazyivan]

We might see S6 somewhere in the second part of this year. S7, I highly doubt, not with these BTC prices.

[Amph]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

I'm still thinking mid to late April.

Well, with the current BTC price, I m really not sure how profitable for them is to develop new miners. The profit margin s really, really low.

at least those new miner are better than s5

ratio is 2.37 for wattage ( 1400 vs 590) but hash power is 3.46 in ratio ( 4000 vs 1155), they are 1.45 times better if they would have the same wattage

[dmwardjr]

Any ETA on S6? At least speculative?

I'm still thinking mid to late April.

Well, with the current BTC price, I m really not sure how profitable for them is to develop new miners. The profit margin s really, really low.

at least those new miner are better than s5

ratio is 2.37 for wattage ( 1400 vs 590) but hash power is 3.46 in ratio ( 4000 vs 1155), they are 1.45 times better if they would have the same wattage

Agreed.  I plan on buying some.  Not sure how many though.

[dmwardjr]

We might see S6 somewhere in the second part of this year. S7, I highly doubt, not with these BTC prices.

I can see your estimate of S6 not coming out till Q3 or Q4 of this year IF NO S7 were to come out.  However, an S7 has to be on the way for THIS year.  Why?  Because the competition will have a 3rd generation rig out by Q3 or Q4 of THIS year.  Do you honestly think Spondooliestech would go an entire year without new equipment on the market and that new equipment being a 3rd generation rig?

Bitmain, would come out with an S7 THIS year as well to compete.  IF my speculation holds out for an S7 in Q3 or Q4, it only makes sense for an S6 to come out this year and soon.  Why soon?  Look at how short lived the S4 was...  Because the S5 came out shortly afterwards.  To make the S6 less short lived like the S4, it would behove Bitmain to come out with it sooner [say... April or May].  Then they would come out with an S7 (3rd Gen.) in Q4 of this year more than likely.

It actually makes more sense for a 3rd generation S7 rig to come out with low prices of BTC.  It would actually get more sells to offset the low price of BTC by paying for less power.

[philipma1957]

We might see S6 somewhere in the second part of this year. S7, I highly doubt, not with these BTC prices.

I can see your estimate of S6 not coming out till Q3 or Q4 of this year IF NO S7 were to come out.  However, an S7 has to be on the way for THIS year.  Why?  Because the competition will have a 3rd generation rig out by Q3 or Q4 of THIS year.  Do you honestly think Spondooliestech would go an entire year without new equipment on the market and that new equipment being a 3rd generation rig?

Bitmain, would come out with an S7 THIS year as well to compete.  IF my speculation holds out for an S7 in Q3 or Q4, it only makes sense for an S6 to come out this year and soon.  Why soon?  Look at how short lived the S4 was...  Because the S5 came out shortly afterwards.  To make the S6 less short lived like the S4, it would behove Bitmain to come out with it sooner [say... April or May].  Then they would come out with an S7 (3rd Gen.) in Q4 of this year more than likely.

It actually makes more sense for a 3rd generation S7 rig to come out with low prices of BTC.  It would actually get more sells to offset the low price of BTC by paying for less power.

huge risk to build the s-7 with a tape out of 22 16 or 14 sized chips as a full sized  tape out of 1000's of chips = $$

The s-6 would be the same chips.  I see the s-6 sooner then June 1 .

 I see the s-7 in Sept or Oct

All of the above is based on coins running 200 to 300 usd each.