Anything sustainable worth of investing?

[EternalWingsofGod]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

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[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

[thy]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

Your investing in the bankroll of the site on just-dice and gets % of the earned profit  depending on your % of the total bankroll, i think the sites part of the profit is 20% so 80% of the profits goes to those staking the bankroll if it works the same as it did back when the site was btc based.

[Chef Ramsay]

CryptoVest Financial Services (CVFS) is a startup that has been paying divs the last 5 months in a row and they're still trying to close out their IPO. They have a live Q & A this Friday at 2p est if you're interested in asking any questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026880.0. Check out their website to see their prospectus and what not.

[EternalWingsofGod]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

Your investing in the bankroll of the site on just-dice and gets % of the earned profit  depending on your % of the total bankroll, i think the sites part of the profit is 20% so 80% of the profits goes to those staking the bankroll if it works the same as it did back when the site was btc based.

That's about right but since the coin in question is Clam Coin and it uses proof of stake coins are staked and investors also recieve a portion of the mining revenue from each block staked on the chain.

So two revenue streams one for mining/proof of ownership and one for gambling with a 1% set house edge meaning that while volatile total volume will result in a return on income by staking and through gambling.

In terms of clams about 0.1BTC at the 0.005 / Clam price using the free Clam coins I recieved for having an old Bitcoin address that had balance back in the day (It utilizes Proof Of Chain) then turned into Proof of Stake to clarify.

(Percentage wise 30% APR (But it's still less than a year since the site has been put back online. Before that Doog stored a heck of a lot more bitcoins) so far most of my return has been from staking revenues and some from the gambling side the balance does grow over time and the price has been stable explaining the growth that said the % and ROI varies based on the conversion rate back into Bitcoins)
https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_clam

JD is run by dooglus so you can check out their thread if your interested crazyivan (And have fun with all the pretty charts ha-ha)

[flyingplows]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

[EternalWingsofGod]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

[crazyivan]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

[flyingplows]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

They get a few things in one shot using clams. Yes, it increases the risk for you to invest, but at the same time they promote an altcoin of their choice and probably reduce the risk of catching any legal troubles. BTC gambling I would think is under closer attention by authorities than gambling with some relatively unknown asset... Especially having in mind the way they distributed that asset.
As I mentioned I really gonna try it. And might report any experiences or luck/unluck later

[crazyivan]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

They get a few things in one shot using clams. Yes, it increases the risk for you to invest, but at the same time they promote an altcoin of their choice and probably reduce the risk of catching any legal troubles. BTC gambling I would think is under closer attention by authorities than gambling with some relatively unknown asset... Especially having in mind the way they distributed that asset.
As I mentioned I really gonna try it. And might report any experiences or luck/unluck later

Pls do report back. I m also thinking of testing these waters but clams....
Even if I make some money, getting paid in such unknown alt makes me uncomfortable.

[DavidMc0]

As people here are looking for sustainable, low-risk, low-return crypto investment opportunities, what do you think of the concept I've posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1042591.0

It's basically enabling people to self-issue legally secured mortgage debt as crypto-bonds.  Interest payments are made periodically to bond holders, and the issuer re-pays the mortgage by re-purchasing the assets.

These assets would be readily exchangeable for Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

If there were demand for such assets, a huge supply of them could be established if we could find ways of minimising risks to acceptable levels.

I'd appreciate any thoughts.

[crazyivan]

As people here are looking for sustainable, low-risk, low-return crypto investment opportunities, what do you think of the concept I've posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1042591.0

It's basically enabling people to self-issue legally secured mortgage debt as crypto-bonds.  Interest payments are made periodically to bond holders, and the issuer re-pays the mortgage by re-purchasing the assets.

These assets would be readily exchangeable for Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

If there were demand for such assets, a huge supply of them could be established if we could find ways of minimising risks to acceptable levels.

I'd appreciate any thoughts.

Issuing secured mortgage debt? It does seem interesting, people would go for anything which is potentially profitable.

Wouldn't you need some form of permit to do this?

[Technomage]

Our company has a long term vision for Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and building profitable & sustainable services on top of them. This is the core idea behind our company. A "complete ecosystem" approach.

Lots of projects are attempts at get-rich-quick, we are not one of those. We have steady revenue growth for 3 years now.

More information can be found from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.0

[crazyivan]

Our company has a long term vision for Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and building profitable & sustainable services on top of them. This is the core idea behind our company. A "complete ecosystem" approach.

Lots of projects are attempts at get-rich-quick, we are not one of those. We have steady revenue growth for 3 years now.

More information can be found from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.0

Details pls. How does your payouts system works, I suppose dividends. How often, based on what, pls give us a short overview.

Thx

[flyingplows]

Seems like just buying some shares of a company doing various business in bitcoin.. Any guarantees? If not seems a bit risky and not very informative where you're putting your money in.. just sayin..

[Technomage]

Details pls. How does your payouts system works, I suppose dividends. How often, based on what, pls give us a short overview.

Thx

If you're looking for constant dividend payments, we're not the right investment. We are a startup company focusing on growth which means we have very little focus on dividends. Not at this stage, at least. Right now we're putting our money in investments that support our growth plan.

[Technomage]

Seems like just buying some shares of a company doing various business in bitcoin.. Any guarantees? If not seems a bit risky and not very informative where you're putting your money in.. just sayin..

No guarantees. However we're a solid, real company with a successful 3-year history behind us. So in that sense we're much less random than most Bitcoin investment opportunities.

[DavidMc0]

Issuing secured mortgage debt? It does seem interesting, people would go for anything which is potentially profitable.

Wouldn't you need some form of permit to do this?

Thanks for your feedback.  For now, I'm mostly asking to see if there would be demand for such assets.  The profit would be low, but reliable, and the assets would be a stable store of value relative to the fiat currency the mortgage is denominated in.

The concept I have is for people to arrange it as a person to person loan, involving no intermediaries who would be able to be regulated.  I don't know about in the US, but in the UK, the FCA only regulate businesses, and people are free to lend money to other individuals, and agreements in this context are legally binding & enforceable.  

If there seems to be demand, then I'll see if others are interested so we can look more deeply into mechanisms to enable this to work within legislation (hopefully in the US and EU at least, worldwide if possible), and so that interest & repayments are legally enforceable to give confidence to lenders / asset holders.

[ironman80]

It is very difficult to find good place to invest bitcoins online...Maybe bitcoin casinos,like just-dice,satoshi-dice,diggit.io...Maybe buying domain names for bitcoins,and then flipping them?

[crazyivan]

It is very difficult to find good place to invest bitcoins online...Maybe bitcoin casinos,like just-dice,satoshi-dice,diggit.io...Maybe buying domain names for bitcoins,and then flipping them?

Buying domains for BTC s not really BTC investment. You just use BTC to do so.

Your re wrong, there are several profitable BTC ventures.