[Serious] Avatar Rules Discussion

[hilariousandco]

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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working? I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.

[dogie]

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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working? I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.

Depends what they're being used for. I used to spent a lot of time trawling excel based forums while at work, to work out how to do certain advanced things. Although what use this forum has at work, I'm not sure.

[fonenumba]

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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working? I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.

most employers allow their employees to browse the internet while on breaks/downtime. Some even don't have an issue with browing the internet as long as certain other goals are met (most likely primarily productivity), although if someone were to spend large amounts of time on a forum then an employer would probably not be very happy

[shorena]

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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working?

Nope, thats fine. There is not always work to do. Id rather not hide all avatars, but I could e.g. ignore the user in question. Its currently only one. I could probably just block the specific image with adblock or something similar. There are enough ways around it, I was curious about what exactly is considered NSFW though. The linked profil in question is a bit borderline IMHO as there are similar ads out there.

I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.

I dont want go into too much detail, but I do a variety of tasks at work. Some have downtimes and we are allowed to use the Internet access freely as long as we remember where we are (at work) and when in doubt only do what a representative of the organisation would do. Thus browsing bitcointalk.org would be no problem for most parts, but as soon as tits or penises start poping up I would get my boss in an awkward situation. I know for a fact that they would not have a problem with this personally, but there are other employees who have and we might get visitors from higher up the food chain.

[hilariousandco]

Nope, thats fine. There is not always work to do. Id rather not hide all avatars, but I could e.g. ignore the user in question. Its currently only one. I could probably just block the specific image with adblock or something similar. There are enough ways around it, I was curious about what exactly is considered NSFW though. The linked profil in question is a bit borderline IMHO as there are similar ads out there.

I guess the ignore user works fine for this. But what is acceptable will have different parameters depending on each person so sometimes it's hard to say what is 'nsfw' as like you said that avatar is borderline. I had made a suggestion in the staff forum before for a 'hide a users signature' button but maybe there could be a hide an avatar as well for those that people find nsfw or too annoying etc.

[MegaFall]

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.

Nudity =/= Porn. I don't understand why people always make this connection. People shower nude is that pornographic? People are born nude, is that pornographic?

[dogie]

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.

Nudity =/= Porn. I don't understand why people always make this connection. People shower nude is that pornographic? People are born nude, is that pornographic?

Wut. If you made a video of you naked in the shower, is that pornographic? If someone recorded you being born, is that pornographic? No, but its still not something your employer would want you to be passively exposed to.

tldr, naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

[MegaFall]

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.

Nudity =/= Porn. I don't understand why people always make this connection. People shower nude is that pornographic? People are born nude, is that pornographic?

naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.


In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

[Muhammed Zakir]

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naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.

In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

Well, you may think like that but you can't make everybody think like you do. Different people see contents at different level and hence, what is not NSFW for you maybe NSFW for another person.

After all, you went away from basic: "Not suitable or safe for work".

[redsn0w]

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?

No.

2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]

No.

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This profile[1] looks NSFW to me.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121

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I am not sure what NSFL means, but I assume it is a typo.
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http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NSFL

I think the same, that avatar is at the limit of "decency" and it is not safe for work. Maybe theymos can contact him (that user) or remove the avatar and change it with another one. If my boss will see that image I am sure he will not be "so happy".

[Grand_Voyageur]

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naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.

In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

Well, you may think like that but you can't make everybody think like you do. Different people see contents at different level and hence, what is not NSFW for you maybe NSFW for another person.

After all, you went away from basic: "Not suitable or safe for work".

That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121) is IMO completely safe. If the girl was naked, sure, but she isn't, and on top of that she isn't real, it's just a drawing. You can stumble upon much more exposed ladies when googling for important stuff at work, why aren't you worried about that. Also, if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girl.   Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on.  

[Muhammed Zakir]

That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121) is IMO completely safe. If the girl was naked, sure, but she isn't, and on top of that she isn't real, it's just a drawing.

Cartoons are also included in NSFW and how do you know it isn't real? What if an artist drew by looking a woman? What if it was converted to a cartoon image using a software? IMHO it is an NSFW content.

You can stumble upon much more exposed ladies when googling for important stuff at work, why aren't you worried about that. Also, if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

You do realise there are a lot of types of swimsuits. Like I said, "NSFW" will be different for different persons.

I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girl.  Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on. 

+1. Probably right.

[maku]

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naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.

In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

Well, you may think like that but you can't make everybody think like you do. Different people see contents at different level and hence, what is not NSFW for you maybe NSFW for another person.

After all, you went away from basic: "Not suitable or safe for work".

That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121) is IMO completely safe. If the girl was naked, sure, but she isn't, and on top of that she isn't real, it's just a drawing. You can stumble upon much more exposed ladies when googling for important stuff at work, why aren't you worried about that. Also, if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girl.   Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on.  

I've seen mouse pad with this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121 picture, kind of mouse pad where boobs of this anime girl were made of silicon jelly and you can rest your wrist on them. And people in that shop commented that it is funny idea, nobody said anything about it is being pedo or NSFL related. So I think you guys are being paranoid here and this avatar hunt is starting to resemble with hunts. Just stop that. We will see a clear limit of stupid avatar someday - this is not the one.

[R2D221]

I've seen mouse pad with this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121 picture, kind of mouse pad where boobs of this anime girl were made of silicon jelly and you can rest your wrist on them.

And you seriously think there's nothing wrong with that? That certainly is a shop I won't visit again. They just lost a customer.

[shorena]

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That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121) is IMO completely safe
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Thanks for your input.

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if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

Your personal opinion is certainly no the norm for everyone else. What makes you think there is something wrong with someone because of their opinion of a picture? Dont answer, its derailing the topic.

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I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girl.  Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on. 

Pictures of girls (real or not) flaunting their breast esp. in this manner[1] can certainly make other girls uncomfortable. This is exactly what my problem with the example in question is. I personally dont care. I think it makes the person wearing the avatar immature, but thats just me. My boss personally probably does not care for every similar reasons. Some of my less mature male colleagues however might feel the need to comment on the picture in a vulgar way. Some insecure female colleagues might feel offended by the picture. Essentially this can turn from a pubescent fantasy into an pseudo[2] feminist workplace nightmare. Id like to avoid the later one. I might very well be alone with this, but thats fine with me, I know how to make the avatar disappear.

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I've seen mouse pad with this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121 picture, kind of mouse pad where boobs of this anime girl were made of silicon jelly and you can rest your wrist on them. And people in that shop commented that it is funny idea, nobody said anything about it is being pedo or NSFL related.

Id call that tacky, but its probably a question of maturity and/or age.

So I think you guys are being paranoid here and this avatar hunt is starting to resemble with hunts. Just stop that. We will see a clear limit of stupid avatar someday - this is not the one.

I was never asking for it to be banned, I merely state that the avatar in question looks NSFW for me. This certainly depends on my workplace and my personal opinion as well as views. There is no hunt. This is just a discussion about avatars or at least that was my intention.

Yes, there are NSFW topics here, but they are typically labeled as such. E.g. I just stoped posting in the "free hugs" thread a while back for a similar reason. An avatar is not limited to a certain area I can just avoid, it can pop up in the tech support section as well as in off topic or in meta. Disabling all avatars is certainly an option, but I guess Ill take the risk and block the specific picture for now. Thank you all for your input apparently the majority of you has no problem with pictures like this at work.

[1] essential in an available for sex or aroused pose
[2] IMHO the picture in question is essentially a sexual fantasy and has very little to do with equality.

[erikalui]

I believe an Avatar is an image that either represents the person or his belief/likes (in a DECENT way). It is also the matter of decency when it comes to an open forum like this and so that user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121) should upload an image that is decent enough and not an image that makes other members uncomfortable. I also don't like the Avatar of VOD as well and some users too add Signatures which are so indecent. This is a bitcoin forum and not an adult forum where such images should be allowed.

[redsn0w]

I believe an Avatar is an image that either represents the person or his belief/likes (in a DECENT way). It is also the matter of decency when it comes to an open forum like this and so that user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121) should upload an image that is decent enough and not an image that makes other members uncomfortable. I also don't like the Avatar of VOD as well and some users too add Signatures which are so indecent. This is a bitcoin forum and not an adult forum where such images should be allowed.

Can I ask you one thing:  have you contacted that user (bigbitmine)? To try convince him to remove that avatar, or better change it to another one. Maybe he will agree and we can close this discussion here. Try and let us know if he will agree or not. 


PS: the vod avatar is "normal"...

[bigbitmine]

Hello everyone,

Someone made me aware of this thread via PM.  I have seen someone devoid of any sense of humour (Yes I'm British so it's spelled in the queens English) has moaned about my avatar.

Big kudos to all those that have spoken out in the contrary.  It's really appreciated.

Can I just say:

A:  It's a cartoon

B:  The CARTOON is not showing any nudity, I could have an avatar of a REAL woman wearing the same CLOTHES!!!

C:  If you consider this clothed cartoon female NSFW you must work in a monastery or similar!

D:  If this avatar offends, scares or worries you then you need to turn off your computer, go out and meet females.  Honestly, they won't kill you (Mostly!)

If this avatar really does break some kind of rule I expect the boards admins (Properly identified) to request that it is removed and I shall happily comply.

Personally, a Bitcoin forum where a user has gone to the originality to NOT create a Bitcoin avatar is refreshing.  And if you want to get really pissy I find the avatar of Peter Griffin licking his nipple FAR more offensive.

Thank you for your time.

[R2D221]

A:  It's a cartoon

B:  The CARTOON is not showing any nudity, I could have an avatar of a REAL woman wearing the same CLOTHES!!!

Irrelevant, in my opinion.

C:  If you consider this clothed cartoon female NSFW you must work in a monastery or similar!

It's not naked, but she's in an obviously sexual pose. Yes, that can be considered not safe for work.

D:  If this avatar offends, scares or worries you then you need to turn off your computer, go out and meet females.  Honestly, they won't kill you (Mostly!)

This is sexist. What about women who complain? Do you recommend them to go meet women too, because they don't know what breasts look like?

If this avatar really does break some kind of rule I expect the boards admins (Properly identified) to request that it is removed and I shall happily comply.

I'm not an admin or anything. I'm just a common user, who is giving an opinion on the subject.

And if you want to get really pissy I find the avatar of Peter Griffin licking his nipple FAR more offensive.

You're right on this one. Either we allow both or we forbid both.

[(oYo)]

If those with delicate principles and fascist bosses, can't handle bigbitmine's cartoon girl avatar, then wait 'til they get a load of me.

Is my username or avatar NSFW?