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April 12, 2015, 11:30:59 AM
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Hey guys,

I don't want to argue badly (or make a sort of fight here) so please keep 'peaceful' the discussion. Yesterday in the advcash service discussion I have posted two messages in a row -- double posting (* and a mod merged them in one post , saying someone reported my posts). I didn't think it was against the forum rules, I have made only to make comfortable the reading of those posts.

Now I would like to ask what's wrong in make consecutive posts (not every quote= new post - but maybe 2-3 quotes in a post and other 1-2 quotes in other post)? Is it against the forum rules?


Thanks for the attention, and I want to reply again "please keep 'peaceful' this thread"


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April 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
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No, I don't think that amounts to spam or is against the rules.

I also find it difficult in some cases. Posting everything in a single post makes it very hard to read, and quotes get too long, while making one post for every quote is pretty too much.

I would say, find a balance. Wink
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April 12, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
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If you do it with a signature it can be seen as 'post padding' to raise your post count and get paid more.

I'd avoid if possible.

Please lock this thread once you get a few replies or else you'll get the entire forum posting different but similar opinions.

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April 12, 2015, 11:48:00 AM
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No, I don't think that amounts to spam or is against the rules.

I also find it difficult in some cases. Posting everything in a single post makes it very hard to read, and quotes get too long, while making one post for every quote is pretty too much.

I would say, find a balance. Wink


I know but (I think) this is the first time I have made two consecutive posts only to make comfortable the reading or legibility. There is not a second "fine".


If you do it with a signature it can be seen as 'post padding' to raise your post count and get paid more.

I'd avoid if possible.

So now I should report all the users are 'making double posting", do you know how much users I have seen do post in this way? I don't want to write their username here... I will report all their posts now and see if they will merged in one or not. If they will not merge in one unique post I think this is a sort of discrimination.

However I do not consider double posting (only two posts) in a row for the quotes question 'post padding'... I have seen users posted 3-4 posts in a row, and I don't consider it bump because the posts are close to each other in seconds.


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April 12, 2015, 11:53:25 AM
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Example (sorry ndnhc):

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063318#msg11063318
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063357#msg11063357

https://archive.today/o7Imu


Is this considered double posting? I don't think it is to be considered 'double posting' because here has replied to 3 posts and after for a question of legibility made another one.

Yesterday I have made the same thing, but someone reported me (well done) and the mod merged those two posts. However if it is against the forum rules I would like to know if it is really against the forum rules.
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April 12, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
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Example (sorry ndnhc):

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063318#msg11063318
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063357#msg11063357

https://archive.today/o7Imu


Is this considered double posting? I don't think it is to be considered 'double posting' because here has replied to 3 posts and after for a question of legibility made another one.

Yesterday I have made the same thing, but someone reported me (well done) and the mod merged those two posts. However if it is against the forum rules I would like to know if it is really against the forum rules.

If you want to quote other users' replies and want to avoid double posting but is hesitant to do so because it will make the thread "long" and difficult to read, why not cut the portion or the point that you want to reply and not the whole reply of the user per se? That might avoid the long reply because of quoting and can be a good way to avoid double posting.

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April 12, 2015, 12:33:52 PM
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Example (sorry ndnhc):

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063318#msg11063318
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063357#msg11063357

https://archive.today/o7Imu


Is this considered double posting? I don't think it is to be considered 'double posting' because here has replied to 3 posts and after for a question of legibility made another one.

Yesterday I have made the same thing, but someone reported me (well done) and the mod merged those two posts. However if it is against the forum rules I would like to know if it is really against the forum rules.

Well, even if I made 3 posts consecutively, I will be doing so only with the pure intention of making the reader understand it better especially since I don't get paid for any posts I make. Smiley
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April 12, 2015, 12:35:54 PM
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Actually if u are doing it when you are in a signature campaign it might be reported as post spam so as to increase post count but otherwise I guess it won't be against the rules as at times due to some glitches I also at times send double PMs.

A mod wud better answer you though.
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April 12, 2015, 12:39:28 PM
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It's not really necessary to be honest. I'm not really buying the whole length thing. I often quote many people I want to reply to in one post. Why would you need to double post? The only way I can see it being valid is if a thread hasn't been replied to and you need to bump it for whatever reason.

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April 12, 2015, 12:39:41 PM
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Example (sorry ndnhc):

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063318#msg11063318
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063357#msg11063357

https://archive.today/o7Imu


Is this considered double posting? I don't think it is to be considered 'double posting' because here has replied to 3 posts and after for a question of legibility made another one.

Yesterday I have made the same thing, but someone reported me (well done) and the mod merged those two posts. However if it is against the forum rules I would like to know if it is really against the forum rules.

If you want to quote other users' replies and want to avoid double posting but is hesitant to do so because it will make the thread "long" and difficult to read, why not cut the portion or the point that you want to reply and not the whole reply of the user per se? That might avoid the long reply because of quoting and can be a good way to avoid double posting.

I always post in this way, remove the unecessary post and replace it with '...' but yesterday I have separated the quotes.


Example (sorry ndnhc):

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063318#msg11063318
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022171.msg11063357#msg11063357

https://archive.today/o7Imu


Is this considered double posting? I don't think it is to be considered 'double posting' because here has replied to 3 posts and after for a question of legibility made another one.

Yesterday I have made the same thing, but someone reported me (well done) and the mod merged those two posts. However if it is against the forum rules I would like to know if it is really against the forum rules.

Well, even if I made 3 posts consecutively, I will be doing so only with the pure intention of making the reader understand it better especially since I don't get paid for any posts I make. Smiley

But you are wearing a sig ad (like me and all the other users that posted in this thread). Me too, yesterday I have "splitted or better cut" the 3 quotes in : 2 quotes: 1 post | and other quote in another post, only to make comfortable the reading (as you said).


All this situation make me really "weirded" and really I can't understand what is the purpose.
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Actually if u are doing it when you are in a signature campaign it might be reported as post spam so as to increase post count but otherwise I guess it won't be against the rules as at times due to some glitches I also at times send double PMs.

A mod wud better answer you though.

Spam? Hmm I don't think this is the real reason. Thanks also to you, for the reply.


It's not really necessary to be honest. I'm not really buying the whole length thing. I often quote many people I want to reply to in one post. Why would you need to double post? The only way I can see it being valid is if a thread hasn't been replied to and you need to bump it for whatever reason.

Thanks for your reply, this is mine:

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However I do not consider double posting (only two posts) in a row for the quotes question 'post padding'... I have seen users posted 3-4 posts in a row, and I don't consider it bump because the posts are close to each other in seconds.

I have replied to those users in a few second, so it is not a bump to that thread. Have a nice day guys, it is not a problem for me but if all the other users can do/make double posting and their thread were not merged then this is the problem.
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April 12, 2015, 12:47:02 PM
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I don't find it wrong in anyway as once even I did it to post comments in a Signature campaign I was a part of but my second post was deleted even though it was not off topic and it wasn't merged. I don't get paid to post in my signature campaign but well it is considered as bumping a thread twice and so one needs to clutter up their post to avoid double posting or wait for another person to reply and then post another comment.

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April 12, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
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I usually double post only to return to the thread some minute later and replying it. I am doing a couple of things sometimes, so it is really difficult to click and edit the existing post, only to find it has already been replied to without the new thing added. Obviously, it gets overlooked.

I had plenty of experiences getting quoted without the edited part.  Undecided
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I don't find it wrong in anyway as once even I did it to post comments in a Signature campaign I was a part of but my second post was deleted even though it was not off topic and it wasn't merged. I don't get paid to post in my signature campaign but well it is considered as bumping a thread twice and so one needs to clutter up their post to avoid double posting or wait for another person to reply and then post another comment.

So there isn't a clear rule and each mod. "moderate" thanks to hi judgement (not a problem) but I will see if that mod will merge those posts from those users or not. This is why I have opened that thread (but first I sent a pm to that mod).

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It's not really necessary to be honest. I'm not really buying the whole length thing. I often quote many people I want to reply to in one post. Why would you need to double post? The only way I can see it being valid is if a thread hasn't been replied to and you need to bump it for whatever reason.

Thanks for your reply, this is mine:

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However I do not consider double posting (only two posts) in a row for the quotes question 'post padding'... I have seen users posted 3-4 posts in a row, and I don't consider it bump because the posts are close to each other in seconds.

I have replied to those users in a few second, so it is not a bump to that thread. Have a nice day guys, it is not a problem for me but if all the other users can do/make double posting and their thread were not merged then this is the problem.

That's not really an excuse. You can still edit them all into one post or just make the post with multiple replies in the first place.

I don't find it wrong in anyway as once even I did it to post comments in a Signature campaign I was a part of but my second post was deleted even though it was not off topic and it wasn't merged. I don't get paid to post in my signature campaign but well it is considered as bumping a thread twice and so one needs to clutter up their post to avoid double posting or wait for another person to reply and then post another comment.

So there isn't a clear rule and each mod. "moderate" thanks to hi judgement (not a problem) but I will see if that mod will merge those posts from those users or not. This is why I have opened that thread (but first I sent a pm to that mod).

I don't think there's any rule on it but it's never going to be looked upon favourably when you have a signature as it's unnecessary, but I honestly don't know why you felt the need to double post in this thread. Looks like you're pushing your luck to me.

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I don't think there's any rule on it but it's never going to be looked upon favourably when you have a signature as it's unnecessary, but I honestly don't know why you felt the need to double post in this thread. Looks like you're pushing your luck to me.

Ok but if I report an user (who wear a sig ad) and made a couple of  posts in a row the staff should merge them or am I wrong? Because if there is not a rule and then is not against the forum rules I can write two posts in a row for make comfortable the reading/legibility (as the other users did, but their posts are not merged - not a problem).

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Edit: as I said previously,  I usually reply 2-3 also 4 quotes in one post but yesterday I tried to post in a row.
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Ok but if I report an user (who wear a sig ad) and made a couple of  posts in a row the staff should merge them or am I wrong? Because if there is not a rule and then is not against the forum rules I can write two posts in a row for make comfortable the reading/legibility (as the other users did, but their posts are not merged - not a problem).

Thanks again.

Well we'll probably have to wait for clarification from the admins on that. It's the first situation I've heard of a mod editing and merging double posts but maybe it should be taken on a case-by-case basis. I think people should make the habit of not doing double posts though.

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There is no rule against "double posting" as you are describing. Who was the moderator that did this and what was the post?

By making two posts, it makes it easier to read, especially when you are quoting multiple responses. If you make one post that responded to 5 or 6 different people then more likely then not the people you are responding to will either not see that you responded to them or will otherwise ignore your post.

This practice may or may not be post padding, however post padding is not against the rules, making insubstantial posts however is, so as long as each of your posts are not insubstantial and contributes to the conversation then you should be fine.

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Ok but if I report an user (who wear a sig ad) and made a couple of  posts in a row the staff should merge them or am I wrong? Because if there is not a rule and then is not against the forum rules I can write two posts in a row for make comfortable the reading/legibility (as the other users did, but their posts are not merged - not a problem).

Thanks again.

Well we'll probably have to wait for clarification from the admins on that. It's the first situation I've heard of a mod editing and merging double posts but maybe it should be taken on a case-by-case basis. I think people should make the habit of not doing double posts though.

If I can, this is the post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011381.msg11053831#msg11053831  edited - merged by grue (I have already contacted him and I don't have anything against his action, I only want a clarification because I do not think it is against the forum rules and no one of the various posts of other users were merged in a one).



There is no rule against "double posting" as you are describing. Who was the moderator that did this and what was the post?

By making two posts, it makes it easier to read, especially when you are quoting multiple responses. If you make one post that responded to 5 or 6 different people then more likely then not the people you are responding to will either not see that you responded to them or will otherwise ignore your post.

This practice may or may not be post padding, however post padding is not against the rules, making insubstantial posts however is, so as long as each of your posts are not insubstantial and contributes to the conversation then you should be fine.

read my reply above the quote, it was not insubstantial posts. Wait, I have received this PM (before see the post merged):

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My deposit has 3 confirmations but is still "pending". I'm guessing it needs 6.

Hi,

when you send bitcoin you should wait the "standard" irreversible 6 confirm, and after your coin will appear in your balance. Let me know if you will find other problems Wink (or simply want an help).
Yeah, it's all good now. I'll give some feedback after I try it out for a bit. I don't quite understand all of the limits, though. What does a one-time limit mean? Is it overall for the card or for just one transaction?

Have you tried the card with some purchases? For the moment I also don't understand what mean "one-time limit" but I can't see it in the site (http://advcash.com/en/solutions/card/):




Also this site DOESN'T Allow member from Pakistan, I have More then 15 ref so what should I do Now?

Maybe mastercard has some trouble with the pakistan laws, however  I don't know how the ref systema works so I cannot help you.


I have replied to the messages #28 - #30  in a separated post , for make understable and comfortable all the content; and replied to #29 in another one.
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April 12, 2015, 05:06:43 PM
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There is no rule against "double posting" as you are describing. Who was the moderator that did this and what was the post?

By making two posts, it makes it easier to read, especially when you are quoting multiple responses. If you make one post that responded to 5 or 6 different people then more likely then not the people you are responding to will either not see that you responded to them or will otherwise ignore your post.

This practice may or may not be post padding, however post padding is not against the rules, making insubstantial posts however is, so as long as each of your posts are not insubstantial and contributes to the conversation then you should be fine.

read my reply above the quote, it was not insubstantial posts. Wait, I have received this PM (before see the post merged):
I was not saying that your post was insubstantial, I was just making a general statement.

The way that your two posts were merged make it very difficult to read/follow. This is exaggerated by the fact that your references are now in the middle of your posts. I would even go as far to say that your posts went from being two constructive posts to being one incoherent post.

I am not surprised that grue was the one who merged the posts and good luck getting an explanation from him. I have only received invalid actions by him. He once told me to stop reporting duplicate/undeleted old bumps because there is no rule against leaving them in the thread, however once I pointed him to the specific rule allowing them he acknowledged that he was wrong (however I was left with a good number of reports that were incarcerated marked as invalid). More recently he deleted a bump because I had bumped my thread less then 24 hours after the previous bump, however after proving that it had been more then 24 hours since my last bump he responded with a screenshot of his browser history (Huh) and when I followed up with him asking him why he thought that I had bumped my thread less then 24 hours prior to my most recent bump along with the times each post was made I did not receive a response.

I have long speculated that he has figured out the formula that theymos uses to calculate how much each moderator gets from the forum ad sales, and that grue pads his moderator activity to increase his payout. If you exclude the amount that BadBear gets, then grue makes well over 2x the amount that the next highest paid moderator gets on a consistent basis. The problem is that this is very difficult to prove as most of the information needed to prove this is unavailable to me.

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