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May 08, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
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Hey, any news about that funny swampland? Got to say of all micronations they seem to have the best chances, maybe after Sealand


The best way for those nations to survive is to create a blockchain of micro nations across the globe. A decentralized country with bits of lands everywhere.


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May 09, 2015, 04:54:39 PM
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Microstate tax haven in the Balkans? Not that easy





Vit Jedlicka, self-declared president of Liberland, looks at his phones in a private compound in Backi Monostor, Serbia, Friday, May 1, 2015. The inauguration of world's new mini-state in the war-torn Balkans may sound as an elaborate joke by international organizers, but Croats and Serbs aren't laughing. The so-called Free Republic of Liberland, a 7-square-kilometer swampy patch of isolated land on the banks of the Danube river border between Serbia and Croatia _ which fought a war in the 1990s _ has been blocked by police in both states. (AP Photo/Darko Vojinovic)


BATINA, Croatia (AP) — The inauguration of a new libertarian mini-state in the war-ravaged Balkans may sound like an elaborate joke. But Croatian and Serbian authorities aren't laughing.

The so-called Free Republic of Liberland, a 7-square-kilometer (3 sq. mile) patch of swampland on the banks of the Danube, between Serbia and Croatia, has been blocked for over a week by police in both states.

The heavily forested area where deer and wild boar roam has been claimed by a group of Czech, Swiss, Danish and others who have announced they are forming of a tax haven — like Monaco or Liechtenstein — in the heart of the Balkans.

Things aren't going that smoothly for the new "nation," where self-declared President Vit Jedlicka planned to start inhabiting the land this week.

Croatia deployed border police units and patrol boats to prevent repeated attempts by dozens of Liberland organizers and their followers to reach the uninhabited area, whose only building is a run-down abandoned hunter lodge. Serbian police prevented them from crossing the border from their side.

"The police did their job maybe even better than expected," said Jedlicka, a member of a small libertarian Czech party. "Even the people who wanted to give us the boats were searched and were told that they are not allowed to give us the boats.
"But we won't give up that easy," he said. "We'll keep on trying."

Jedlicka in April planted Liberland's yellow-and-black flag on muddy land a little bigger than The Vatican. He says that the particular area was chosen because it is a rare "unclaimed" territory in Europe. The truth is that both Serbia and Croatia claim that land and still need to settle their border dispute stemming from the 1990s Balkan wars.

Legal experts in both Serbia and Croatia say that the territory is not a no-man's land, and that Jedlicka has no legal right under international law to claim it.


"It is legally senseless that someone sticks a flag on a disputed territory and declares it an independent state," said Bojan Milisavljevic, a law professor at Belgrade University.

This is not the first time enthusiasts have sought to create their own micro-states. Several attempts, including claiming abandoned British anti-aircraft platforms in the North Sea, have foundered in past decades.

Croatia called the Liberland "a virtual caricature" and Serbia said it is an "entertaining act which needs no further comment."
But the Liberland supporters, whose motto is "To Live and Let Live," claim they are serious.

Jedlicka said that over 300,000 people have signed up for citizenship over social media and investors have pledged billions of dollars in investment since the idea was advertised earlier this year. He has offered no proof for the financing claim. The micro-state's constitution says residency is open to anyone who does not have a criminal record or "Communist, Nazi or any other extremist past."

"The idea is of Liberland is to create a minimal state, a free state in the middle of Europe, on the Danube, and to experiment with creating a society the way we want it to be," said Niklas Nikolajsen, CEO of Bitcoin Suisse AG, the Swiss outcrop for the virtual currency Bitcoin — which Liberlanders vow to use.

Jedlicka said the state will have "a voluntary taxing system" where inhabitants will pay as much as they want, or nothing.
But locals are skeptical that such a country could ever be formed in the Balkans.

"I can understand that some people are supportive of what's happening," said Dominik Galinec, who lives in a nearby Croatian village. "But realistically, you can't just go somewhere and say 'this is my country.'"


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150509/eu--balkans-liberland-124676cd43.html


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May 09, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
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^^^

So this is how it ends. Not really surprised. Or maybe they'll just carry on purely as 'internet nation'...

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May 09, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
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^^^

So this is how it ends. Not really surprised. Or maybe they'll just carry on purely as 'internet nation'...
a second Wirtland ?

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May 09, 2015, 08:42:07 PM
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Exactly what I said would happen, if he wasn't landlocked he could have brought in mercenaries and supporters along with arms and supplies from other countries, the guy just hadn't thought ahead at all.
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May 09, 2015, 09:43:32 PM
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Exactly what I thought in my first post... Europe just isn't a good place to create a new country from scratch.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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May 10, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
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President has been arrested
http://www.bosniatoday.ba/liberland-vit-jedlicka-arrested-on-croatian-territory/

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May 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
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Props to the President. I expected him to just let it go and let the project die, but he did dare to go back there after all.

It's going to be interesting from the legal point of view whether 'illegal crossing' charges are justified:

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It is also not true, as some media have reported, that the Liberland territory is not no man’s land as it is allegedly claimed by both neighboring countries, Croatia and Serbia. If the land was claimed by Croatia, their police could not arrest people for any illegal border crossing.

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May 11, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
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Exactly what I said would happen, if he wasn't landlocked he could have brought in mercenaries and supporters along with arms and supplies from other countries, the guy just hadn't thought ahead at all.

Or pre-populate with mercenaries before you declare your independence? In any event, it ends the same way. Doubtful they would ever find enough people willing to risk their lives to enforce such an infantile effort at creating a nation.

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Criminal organizations don't like competition from beneficent organizations, of course.  Embarrassed

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"The Kingdom of North Sudan recognizes the Liberland"

- 19th April 2015 - Liberland - Proclamation: https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf

- The Kingdom of North Sudan: https://kingdomsudan.org/

 

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If you purchased a map of Europe before April 13, it may already be out of date. This past Monday, Europe’s newest country was unveiled: the Free Republic of Liberland.





The tiny country sits on about seven square kilometers (less than 3 square miles) of land along the Danube River, between the official borders of Croatia and Serbia. According to Liberland’s President Vit Jedlicka, the land was considered “terra nullis” or nobody’s land.

Despite being just under three square miles in area, Liberland is not the smallest country on the planet. In fact, it is larger than the Vatican and Monaco.

According to a news release posted on the Liberland site, the founders are Czech citizens who formed something called a “Preparatory Committee,” elected a president (Jedlicka) and decided to declare their new state and planted a flag.




President Jedlicka (second from right) and other Liberland founders at flag raising. Image source: Liberland.org




Those interested in becoming a citizen of the fledgling nation need to file an application. However, there is no official time frame attached to the process. According to the site, applications will be dealt with “in due time.”

What does it take to qualify to be a Liberland-ian? According the web site, potential citizens must:

- have respect for other people and respect the opinions of others, regardless of their race, ethnicity, orientation, or religion

- have respect for private ownership which is untouchable

- do not have communist, nazi or other extremist past

- were not punished for past criminal offenses

If you meet all of above criteria and have an interest in joining Liberland, you will need to fill out the citizenship application and file it electronically. (There is no place to send “snail mail” in the new country.)

Liberland does have a Facebook page which has already gotten more than 28,000 “likes.”



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/17/taxes-are-optional-and-there-is-no-military-welcome-to-liberland-europes-brand-new-country/


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Yeah, I'm from Serbia, so I know about it. It sounds like an interesting concept, especially if they'll accept bitcoin as official currency; but if you look at it, it is just a normal country with normal principles, which are completely forgotten in modern day society (respect etc.). So, kudos to the newly elected president of Liberland.
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June 16, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
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"The Kingdom of North Sudan recognizes the Liberland"

- 19th April 2015 - Liberland - Proclamation: https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf

- The Kingdom of North Sudan: https://kingdomsudan.org/

The so called "Kingdom" of North Sudan is not a sovereign nation, and unlike Liberland, it does not control any territory on its own. And there are multiple micronations which are claiming sovereignty over the Bir Tawil region. "The Kingdom of North Sudan" is just one of those micronations, which exists only on webpages.
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"The Kingdom of North Sudan recognizes the Liberland"

- 19th April 2015 - Liberland - Proclamation: https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf

- The Kingdom of North Sudan: https://kingdomsudan.org/

The so called "Kingdom" of North Sudan is not a sovereign nation, and unlike Liberland, it does not control any territory on its own. And there are multiple micronations which are claiming sovereignty over the Bir Tawil region. "The Kingdom of North Sudan" is just one of those micronations, which exists only on webpages.

Maybe micronations, which exist only on webpages, are a thing of the future.
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