Was Ross Ulbright framed by the FBI?

[S4VV4S]

OK, first I apologize for having this data in two threads, but the first thread (how it all started) concerns Variety Jones and not Ross, so......

In light of my discoveries:

Sooooooo,

According to the timeline: 05/02/2012 - Account Silk Road changed to Dread Pirate Roberts. Source: http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline




Can someone explain to me how comes Ross posted a thread as Silk Road and then exactly 45 minutes later as Dread Pirate Roberts on December 01 2011


Edit: Image Source: http://antilop.cc/sr/img/2011_12_01_shabang_guard_node.png

and:

Could be an error in the timeline, or do you have an idea?

NO. Definetely NOT.

And I 'll tell you why: http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/GX-226D.pdf

(2012-01-15 21:11) vj: You need to change your name from Admin, to Dread Pirate Roberts

(2012-01-15 21:11) vj: <-- isn't kidding - start the legend now

Once again, take a good look at the dates and usernames in the image below:




EDIT: Are these actual evidence from the trial?
And if it is, how comes Ross's attorney did not notice this?


EDIT 2: Wasn't Ross using "Silk Road" (instead of Admin mentioned above) as a username before DPR?

What do you think?

[Lauda]

Well the fact is that we can't really know what happened and the government will deny it. I for one think that he was framed nicely as the government wanted to make an example of Ross.
I'm not sure how that worked out for them as these sites have been popping up again.

[S4VV4S]

Well the fact is that we can't really know what happened and the government will deny it. I for one think that he was framed nicely as the government wanted to make an example of Ross.
I'm not sure how that worked out for them as these sites have been popping up again.

Not necessarily.....

If that is actual evidence/exhibitions then it has been tampered with.
Therefor ANYTHING coming from Ross's laptop is invalid as there is no way to prove that it is genuine data (unless he admits to it which I doubt).

So...... guess what happens!

[AGD]

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

Also another thing is, that IF the agents Force + Bridges planted the manipulated files on Ross' pc, why did they leave all the evidence about their fraud? Doesn't make sense. They would have erased everything about the "murder chats", entries in the (manipulated) journal and the insider information Force was giving to DPR as "frenchmaid" and "alpacino". No way they would've forgotten this!

This all leads to Variety Jones as the main suspect in my opinion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0

He gained a lot of trust from Ross and it was probably easy for him to hack his pc with a 0-day, plant a stealth backdoor with eternal access and do whatever he wants at later time. He could play a multi character game around Ross. He takes over the Silk Road site and at a certain time, when he feels unsafe, he puts Ross back in the spotlight and disappears with a lot of Bitcoins.
He does the same with SR2 and leaves Blake Benthall as the fall guy.

[saddambitcoin]

Interesting find on that timeline from 2006! (Plural of Mongoose = Variety Jones)

In an article from High Times magazine dated July 2006, the journalist Chris Bennett, who covered at the time the overgrow arrests, gives an interesting description of the "megabyte megalomaniac" Plural of Mongoose:

    PoM was like a puppet master, and it was eerily intriguing watching him pull the strings on the forums that made people dance in the real world: Business transactions fell apart, people retired nicknames and dropped from view, court dates came and went - but when the chance arose to interview PoM, I decided to pass. By that time, I had it from a reliable source that PoM deposited things on people's PCs via e-mail that gave him access to their personal desktops and files.

[GoldSeal]

It seems pretty likely that Ross actually is guilty. The Fed's story is also likely to have lot's of holes as well. So, the picture they spun may not be a 100% match to reality, but it would seem it was close enough to get him convicted.

Ross left a lot of material for them and law enforcement really are just used car salesmen. The Feds just needed to take the pieces they could use and fold them into a story which they could sell to a jury.

[S4VV4S]

Interesting find on that timeline from 2006! (Plural of Mongoose = Variety Jones)

In an article from High Times magazine dated July 2006, the journalist Chris Bennett, who covered at the time the overgrow arrests, gives an interesting description of the "megabyte megalomaniac" Plural of Mongoose:

    PoM was like a puppet master, and it was eerily intriguing watching him pull the strings on the forums that made people dance in the real world: Business transactions fell apart, people retired nicknames and dropped from view, court dates came and went - but when the chance arose to interview PoM, I decided to pass. By that time, I had it from a reliable source that PoM deposited things on people's PCs via e-mail that gave him access to their personal desktops and files.

I don't know about that, but he definetly knows who VJ is and so does Shabang:

    Plural of Mongoose: In early 2004, a few weeks after leaving Seeds Direct, I left England to spend some time with a good friend of mine, Variety Jones. VJ was my editor for about two years, but so much more than just that in all the time I've known him. I met VJ when I was just a pup, and he had always been my counsel. If I started getting to big for my britches, I could always count on him to take me to task. There is nothing I knew that I didn't share with him, and he was a sounding board and confindante like no other. His beautiful house lay in a tranquil country setting, a perfect location to meet people and get to know them. My favorite memory of such events has to be an evening at VJ's house with Kif Richards and his lovely wife. You couldn't ask for a nicer group of people.

    While there, I flew ~S in to spend 24 hours with VJ and myself, and have a little meeting, face-to-face. First off, let me say ~Shabang~ was a joy to spend time with - we were all sorry it had to be such a short meeting, but needs must, eh. I hope that someday the three of us can get together and share another spliff. But enough of that sentimental crap.

[S4VV4S]

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

Also another thing is, that IF the agents Force + Bridges planted the manipulated files on Ross' pc, why did they leave all the evidence about their fraud? Doesn't make sense. They would have erased everything about the "murder chats", entries in the (manipulated) journal and the insider information Force was giving to DPR as "frenchmaid" and "alpacino". No way they would've forgotten this!

This all leads to Variety Jones as the main suspect in my opinion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0

He gained a lot of trust from Ross and it was probably easy for him to hack his pc with a 0-day, plant a stealth backdoor with eternal access and do whatever he wants at later time. He could play a multi character game around Ross. He takes over the Silk Road site and at a certain time, when he feels unsafe, he puts Ross back in the spotlight and disappears with a lot of Bitcoins.
He does the same with SR2 and leaves Blake Benthall as the fall guy.

If my findings in the OP are evidence from the trial it would be hard for the feds to prove that it wasn't manipulated 

[Lauda]

Not necessarily.....

If that is actual evidence/exhibitions then it has been tampered with.
Therefor ANYTHING coming from Ross's laptop is invalid as there is no way to prove that it is genuine data (unless he admits to it which I doubt).

So...... guess what happens!

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

There is your answer. Even if you try proving something the government will always deny it or ignore it.
The case is rather very complicated. I wonder though what kind of mastermind Variety Jones is?

[S4VV4S]

Not necessarily.....

If that is actual evidence/exhibitions then it has been tampered with.
Therefor ANYTHING coming from Ross's laptop is invalid as there is no way to prove that it is genuine data (unless he admits to it which I doubt).

So...... guess what happens!

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

There is your answer. Even if you try proving something the government will always deny it or ignore it.
The case is rather very complicated. I wonder though what kind of mastermind Variety Jones is?

Feel free to join the "hunt": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0
http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

[Lauda]

Feel free to join the "hunt": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0
http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

What's the second link about?
I'm getting this:

[S4VV4S]

Feel free to join the "hunt": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0
http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

What's the second link about?
I'm getting this:

I don't have any problems with it.
It is the Silk Road timeline.

Try this - same but with out the #timeline: http://antilop.cc/sr/


EDIT: ONLY BitDefender and WebSense claim Malware: https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1e98c9915053c5fd89623d5a4e45d3b8b561db2b1d0c13eb860111d7e1be4984/analysis/1430111764/

[Lauda]

I don't have any problems with it.
It is the Silk Road timeline.

Try this - same but with out the #timeline: http://antilop.cc/sr/


EDIT: ONLY BitDefender and WebSense claim Malware: https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1e98c9915053c5fd89623d5a4e45d3b8b561db2b1d0c13eb860111d7e1be4984/analysis/1430111764/

It was early in the morning and I didn't have time to test it. It's possible that some link on the website is just malicious to the AV so it shows the whole site.
The timeline looks great. Who made it?

I wonder if Variety Jones will stay a mystery like Satoshi? Although Satoshi should be left in peace, VJ should not.

[S4VV4S]

I don't have any problems with it.
It is the Silk Road timeline.

Try this - same but with out the #timeline: http://antilop.cc/sr/


EDIT: ONLY BitDefender and WebSense claim Malware: https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1e98c9915053c5fd89623d5a4e45d3b8b561db2b1d0c13eb860111d7e1be4984/analysis/1430111764/

It was early in the morning and I didn't have time to test it. It's possible that some link on the website is just malicious to the AV so it shows the whole site.
The timeline looks great. Who made it?

I wonder if Variety Jones will stay a mystery like Satoshi? Although Satoshi should be left in peace, VJ should not.

I have no clue who made it, it was pointed out to me recently by AGD.
Variety Jones did meet in person with PoM and Shabang, so they know who he is since they met at VJs house: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1038833.msg11208170#msg11208170

I think it's only a matter of time.

[S4VV4S]

I don't think he was framed, I think if he was framed this whole thing would have gone a lot faster and the silk road wouldn't have been online for some long.

So how do you explain my finds?

[S4VV4S]

I don't think he was framed, I think if he was framed this whole thing would have gone a lot faster and the silk road wouldn't have been online for some long.

So how do you explain my finds?

I seem to be missing something, how is Ross changing from Silk Road to DPR anything substantial? Seems like he wanted an identity instead of just silkroad.

You are.
Read my OP again carefully.
If you still have trouble understanding what happened (or more like what they did), let me know and I 'll break it down to you 

[S4VV4S]

I don't think he was framed, I think if he was framed this whole thing would have gone a lot faster and the silk road wouldn't have been online for some long.

So how do you explain my finds?

I seem to be missing something, how is Ross changing from Silk Road to DPR anything substantial? Seems like he wanted an identity instead of just silkroad.

You are.
Read my OP again carefully.
If you still have trouble understanding what happened (or more like what they did), let me know and I 'll break it down to you  

Okay I see what is the issue, he by the timeline changed it six months later but the first post of him as DPR was in december 2011.
15 days after he posted as him someone told him to change it from admin to DPR.
Couldn't it just be that he was jokingly suggesting that the head of silk road would dpr and the post 15 days later is someone saying do it for real and commit?

Crap....
You are asking me to go back through all the logs to find the chat of Ross with VJ which says that it was him/her that inspired him to change his username from Silk Road ([1] Admin) to Dread Pirate Roberts.
Just go through the timeline and you will find many flaws on this "story"

[1] Why did VJ tell him to change it from 'Admin' to Dread Pirate Roberts when Ross was registered as Silk Road?
There are many flaws in this story man.
I am not saying Ross is innocent but looking at the bullshit finds/evidence makes me wonder if he is a scapegoat....

That brings us to one question: Who the f*ck is Variety Jones : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0

[Lauda]

I have no clue who made it, it was pointed out to me recently by AGD.
Variety Jones did meet in person with PoM and Shabang, so they know who he is since they met at VJs house: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1038833.msg11208170#msg11208170

I think it's only a matter of time.

The site is definitely something. Yes, I've read that. Who are PoM and Shabang? Well I hope that this mystery person gets found. One must say that this is quite exciting when thinking about it.

Crap....
You are asking me to go back through all the logs to find the chat of Ross with VJ which says that it was him/her that inspired him to change his username from Silk Road ([1] Admin) to Dread Pirate Roberts.
Just go through the timeline and you will find many flaws on this "story"

[1] Why did VJ tell him to change it from 'Admin' to Dread Pirate Roberts when Ross was registered as Silk Road?
There are many flaws in this story man.
I am not saying Ross is innocent but looking at the bullshit finds/evidence makes me wonder if he is a scapegoat....

That brings us to one question: Who the f*ck is Variety Jones : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0

Well it does not make sense. I guess either Ross was framed by the FBI or he was tricked by VJ or another person.
I don't believe he's on it alone (if he's guilty of almost anything that is).

[RodeoX]

Is his lawyer claiming this?
It seems only people here are saying he was framed. How did you arrive at that conclusion even when his own defense is not making such a claim? If he was framed you would think he would mention it.

[AGD]

Latest news from today:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/04/27/ulbrichts-defense-calls-for-delayed-sentencing-after-feds-reveal-six-alleged-silk-road-drug-overdose-deaths/