Cryptsy Prime Controller Destroy or Distribute

[ladrx]

I am taking a poll to decide the fate of the Cryptsy Prime Controller. Why a poll? Because though a few outspoken forum members wish us to destroy it we would like to be sure that the majority feel this should be the fate.

Some members felt that we should also de-list the coin due to Mr Garza's involvement. At this point it is my opinion that the only people affected by such a move would be the current stakeholders who would lose a large amount of value in their holdings. So at this time a de-listing is unlikely.

To reiterate the only dealings Cryptsy has had with Mr Garza was as a customer. There was no formal relationship. I can assure you all legal steps taken in regard to that situation have been taken. Most of you realize we cannot release more information than that for legal reasons.

We will leave the poll up for a week or two. Thanks for your participation.

Click Here to vote

"No formal relationship" - You mean aside from the fact that Cryptsy CTO was apparently BFF's with Josh Garza and talked about "cupping his balls" all the time?

Ill have to look but I do not believe Marshall was the CTO at that time he has recently joined the company. Bryant was our CTO when we added XPY.

So it is not at all concerning to you that Marshall Long has a pre-existing close relationship with a known scammer/tax evader/money launderer???

Not really my lane as far as hiring though the "close" relationship aspect does not show collusion. Many in this community, and this forum spoke with MagicalTux (Knaples) only to later learn he was not a good person. If we knew at the time that XPY would turn into such a catastrophe we would not have carried it. At this point however the harm would be to the folks that he fleeced not the suspect himself. So who do you want punished?

Well, there's an easy way to help mitigate the damages that Cryptsy has played an integral part in: DELIST THE FUCKING COIN. If you do not do this, you might as well paint a big red fucking target on Cryptsy for all the alphabet agencies to fixate on, and as far as I'm concerned you will be complicit in any future criminal acts that Josh Garza commits (ignoring for the moment that Cryptsy has apparently aided and abetted money laundering for Josh's operation for quite some time). Why is this even a discussion for you? Can you not see how bad this makes your company look???

Again de-listing the coin only harms the current stakeholders not the individual you want to hurt. It is also listed at other exchanges. As far as the complicit I have already stated we took the appropriate and only legal action we are allowed to take in regards to that situation.

On another note: I have not spoken to the boss in regards to de-listing if it wins the poll we will have a serious discussion on that matter.

John, I appreciate the fact that you are responding. I hope that you will take these concerns very seriously. The ship has sailed for the XPY bagholders. They already lost like 90+% of their investments. This is about crippling Josh Garza's ongoing scam operations and ensuring that this disaster comes to a close. This coin will never lose the taint of Josh Garza, no matter how many hillbilly priests take over the coin and anoint it with holy water. If you want to do the right thing, the right thing is: delist (coin), destroy (prime controller), denounce (Josh and GAW). To do anything else is folly. 

You make some great points and I appreciate the candid discussion. Probably one of the better written responses I have seen I think you will get the majority if not all of those requests. I just want the folks to be able to get in their 2 cents before we make a unilateral move that may affect the bagholders.

One of the reasons we generally don't de-list coins is we feel that removing even a horribly performing coin is bad for the customer so we keep them. I think de-listing coins perpetuates the pump and dump mentality.

I can't speak for my other compadres on BTCtalk, but I will patiently await Cryptsy's decision. Please impress upon your colleagues that this is a monumental decision, and your company's reputation hangs in the balance. I'm not being hyperbolic. Past transgressions notwithstanding, it's time for Cryptsy to decide where they stand and make a very public, completely unequivocal announcement indicating this decision.  

[BitJohn]

Oh FFS, enough with the theatrics. Just do the right thing already.

Return the controller
Delist XPY
Try to salvage your reputation

This poll is just absolutely pathetic.

Well that is an unpleasant surprise, our fit friend "hey bud" is the CTO of Cryptsy. Having used them extensively in the past I cannot complain of any real issues, other than a few clearly sloppy technical annoyances e.g. daemons being down and withdrawals having to be manually effected causing delays, coins on deposit mysteriously vanishing for several days etc. etc. All makes sense now. Fit body equals a fit mind...

More importantly what about the MAT asic deal that was brokered? Someone came in here months ago detailing how "bud" maneuvered into MAT's first batch that was long pre-sold to the poor masses, and had them diverted to Gomero's operation. Thus effectively re-selling sold goods with is a no-no in the EU. The entire email dealings and contracts are on file in the dump, not clear the final outcome without digging them up again but crafty "bud" might have been too crafty, on top of his agreed commission for brokering the deal, tried to insist on an escrow being used, obviously to tap an additional margin on the cost of the goods...

Worse is is his fascination with this or "these"   

Subject:    Re: Booth for Hashers United
Date:    Fri, 03 Oct 2014 19:55:25 -0700
From:    Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com>
To:    Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>



Ok,

Calm your tits. If your team comes early, and commandeers an adjacent space, and sets up in time, Ill just pat your ass and cup your balls. Tell your team to plan better bro. We literally finalized the floor plan 1 hour before amber called. That is not on me. However, I love your balls and it is fine.

But you gotta give me an hj. Deal?

From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
Date: Friday, October 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM
To: Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com>
Subject: Fwd: Booth for Hashers United

You got to be kidding? We paid you 20k

Don't make this an issue you asshat

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Amber Messer" <amber@gawminers.com>
Date: Oct 3, 2014 9:46 PM
Subject: Booth for Hashers United
To: "Evan Jones" <ejones@gawminers.com>, "Josh Garza" <josh@btc.com>, "Rami Abramov" <rami@btc.com>, "Christian Gogol" <christian@gawminers.com>
Cc:

Hi guys,
Sorry for the late notice. I just spoke with Marshall from Final Hash. If we use the 20x10 structure Monica created for us, they are saying we will have to get an additional both, which will cost extra.

I spoke with Monica and she said we can use just 10ft of the booth if we want, its still functional that way.

So my question is, do we want to use the whole structure and pay for the extra space, use 10ft and stay at the same price, or i can try to get the extra space without extra cost(so far hasn't worked for me)

Thank you for your thoughts!

Subject: SMS from Marshall Long [(972) 658-8670]
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:04:31 +0000
From: Marshall Long (SMS) <18025798360.19726588670.jGP6392m7h@txt.voice.google.com>
To: josh@geniusesatwork.com

Its all good dude. Im just bustin your balls.

Subject:    Re: Let's Race Cars in Vegas
Date:    Wed, 01 Oct 2014 23:24:55 +0000 (GMT)
From:    marshall.long@me.com <marshall.long@me.com>
To:    josh@btc.com

Yo let me in on the live interview bro. Il cup your balls


Sent from my Sprint phone


------ Original message------

From: Josh Garza

Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 16:04

To: Marshall Long;

Cc: Marco Streng;Abram Kottmeier;Leo Iruke;

Subject:Re: Let's Race Cars in Vegas


hurry, or I am going to make them choose one of your questions for the live interview


Josh Garza
CEO- GAW Corp

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com> wrote:

    Hahaha. Its on the charger. Imma call u in 1 minute

    From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
    Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 5:59 PM
    To: Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com>
    Cc: Marco Streng <marco.streng@genesis-mining.com>, Abram Kottmeier <abramkottmeier@gmail.com>, Leo Iruke <leoslaw@gmail.com>

    Subject: Re: Let's Race Cars in Vegas

    i am reneging

    pick up your phone!


    Josh Garza
    CEO- GAW Corp

    On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com> wrote:

        Nobody cares. You picked the mclaren. Live with your choice rook

        From: Josh Garza <josh@btc.com>
        Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 5:56 PM
        To: Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com>
        Cc: Marco Streng <marco.streng@genesis-mining.com>, Abram Kottmeier <abramkottmeier@gmail.com>, <leoslaw@gmail.com>

        Subject: Re: Let's Race Cars in Vegas

        I want that one, thats the only one I don’t already have


        Josh Garza
        CEO- GAW Corp

        On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com> wrote:

            Give him the huracan… marco yu cant just say lambo dude…

            From: Marco Streng <marco.streng@genesis-mining.com>
            Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM
            To: Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com>, Abram Kottmeier <abramkottmeier@gmail.com>, <Josh@btc.com>, <leoslaw@gmail.com>

            Subject: Re: Let's Race Cars in Vegas

            Haha, then let's go with the lambo. Is that fine Abram?
            Thank you guys btw. this is really a great idea!

            Greetings,
            Marco

            Am 01.10.2014 22:23, schrieb Marshall Long:
>             Marco,
>
>             Here are your options.
>
>             Www.exoticsracing.com
>             No bugatti’s. Don’t be greedy bud
>
>             From: Marco Streng <marco.streng@genesis-mining.com>
>             Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 5:20 PM
>             To: Abram Kottmeier <abramkottmeier@gmail.com>, <Josh@btc.com>, <leoslaw@gmail.com>, Marshall Long <marshall.long@me.com>, Dave Carlson <dave@megabigpower.com>
>             Subject: Re: Let's Race Cars in Vegas
>
>             Haha, that sounds fantastic! Let's get it rolling
>
>             Wednesday noon is perfect!
>
>             Is bugatti veyron also an option?
>
>             Greetings from Munich,
>             Marco
>
>             Am 01.10.2014 22:31, schrieb Abram Kottmeier:
>>             Hope everyone's Wednesday is rocking!
>>
>>             I've been working with Dave Carlson and Mega Big Power for a few months now. He suggested we get a group of guys together and go race exotic cars out the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. If we do it on Wednesday it could be a perfect break in between shows and a whole lot of fun. We can race Ferrari's, Lambo's, they've even got a McLaren.
>>
>>             Dave's been gracious enough to cover a 5-lap sessi

I respect your opinion though the poll so far trends in your direction so not sure why you don't like it.

[Xian01]

I respect your opinion though the poll so far trends in your direction so not sure why you don't like it.

I don't like it because you don't need a poll if your moral compass was properly calibrated to begin with.

[Franz_Huber]

The issue at hand now is that the XPY blockchain is in the wild and there are other folks "bagholders" if you will who will be adversely affected. These folk are our primary consideration at this time.

No, John, the issue at hand now for you is that Cryptsy can not be trusted - as long as you are supporting this scamcoin. You got the stink of Josh Garza all over you and it will be hard enough to get off already even if you delist the coin now. As for the XPY bagholders: Are you one of those, too? Did Garza pay you in XPY? Or why are you so worried about them? Pro tip: If Cryptsy delists Paycoin, the bagholders can still buy cool stuff on Coinstand or trade on Mineral - I hear they are both growing extremely fast, like all the amazing projects in the paycoin universe.

[dogetime]

Destroy the controller, delist XPY, sever all ties to GAW (make this clear publicly as it looks like cryptsy and GAW are in bed with each other at the moment even if that's not true) and apologize to the cryptocurrency community for giving legitimacy to this pile of shit. If you're lucky you may be able to save your position in the community but I'm certainly never going to trade on cryptsy ever again. I suggest doing this soon because the longer you let it drag on the more damage is being done to your image, it's not like there isn't other good exchanges who could fill your position in a heartbeat.

TL;DR Don't attach a toxic brand and coin to your business and alienate your customer base, it's not good for business.

[BitJohn]

I respect your opinion though the poll so far trends in your direction so not sure why you don't like it.

I don't like it because you don't need a poll if your moral compass was properly calibrated to begin with.

Fair enough still its likely to trend in the direction your suggesting so not worth arguing over.

[Franz_Huber]

I respect your opinion though the poll so far trends in your direction so not sure why you don't like it.

I don't like it because you don't need a poll if your moral compass was properly calibrated to begin with.

Fair enough still its likely to trend in the direction your suggesting so not worth arguing over.

It's worth arguing over as long as you don't delist paycoin.
Maybe you can also answer this question, John: Why was XPY listed in the USD market in the first place? Did cryptsy get paid for that?

[BitJohn]

Destroy the controller, delist XPY, sever all ties to GAW (make this clear publicly as it looks like cryptsy and GAW are in bed with each other at the moment even if that's not true) and apologize to the cryptocurrency community for giving legitimacy to this pile of shit. If you're lucky you may be able to save your position in the community but I'm certainly never going to trade on cryptsy ever again. I suggest doing this soon also because the longer you let it drag on the more damage is being done to your image, it's not like there isn't other good exchanges who could fill your position in a heartbeat.

TL;DR Don't attach a toxic brand and coin to your business and alienate your customer base, it's not good for business.

It is very likely the coins will be destroyed, I am leaning towards the delisting though not my decision, I absolutely denounce the actions that Garza and any compatriots are accused of. Like I have stated my only intention at this point is to make sure Cryptsy customers interests are supported since that is my #1 job.

[bitpop]

Look, you end things before MORE people get hurt
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html

[WigitGetIt]

Cryptsy doesn't have to do any of this, but they are.  They are asking people voice there opinion with the vote.  They could just as easily say FU, we run our business our way.  I don't have any reason to believe that Cryptsy would be engaged with Homero in a scam.  How about voting and letting it play out.  If you don't want to trade there due to this, then go trade somewhere else.  

[BitJohn]

Look, you end things before MORE people get hurt
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html

Did they fund that college with Paycoin? Im lost....

[bitpop]

Look, you end things before MORE people get hurt
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html

Did they fund that college with Paycoin? Im lost....

No they shutdown a scam

[bitpop]

Paycoin only helps the scammers

Bagholders - losing more money everyday

Homero, paycoin foundation, prime controllers - dumping everyday

Your exchange is just helping them steal more, bagholders will never roi, ever. Every day is just more losses.

[BitJohn]

Look, you end things before MORE people get hurt
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html

Did they fund that college with Paycoin? Im lost....

No they shutdown a scam
[/quote

Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Paycoin only helps the scammers

Bagholders - losing more money everyday

Homero, paycoin foundation, prime controllers - dumping everyday

Your exchange is just helping them steal more, bagholders will never roi, ever

Most folks who take a large loss would probably prefer not to lose the rest of their investment for a total loss. At this time they can still regain a portion of their investment. What you suggest is they lose the entire investment... Easy to suggest for those of us with no XPY holdings.

[bitpop]

Look, you end things before MORE people get hurt
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html

Did they fund that college with Paycoin? Im lost....

No they shutdown a scam
[/quote

Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Paycoin only helps the scammers

Bagholders - losing more money everyday

Homero, paycoin foundation, prime controllers - dumping everyday

Your exchange is just helping them steal more, bagholders will never roi, ever

Most folks who take a large loss would probably prefer not to lose the rest of their investment for a total loss. At this time they can still regain a portion of their investment. What you suggest is they lose the entire investment... Easy to suggest for those of us with no XPY holdings.

It's $0.15 they've already lost 100x

[Paul Revere]

Cryptsy doesn't have to do any of this, but they are.  They are asking people voice there opinion with the vote.  They could just as easily say FU, we run our business our way.  I don't have any reason to believe that Cryptsy would be engaged with Homero in a scam.  How about voting and letting it play out.  If you don't want to trade there due to this, then go trade somewhere else.  

No reason, eh?

everything going like mr garza planned with Big Vern of Cryptsy (thx PRODIGI). i dont remember if this was posted before

Well, this breaks the last straw for me.

Between Ripple continuing to show 0 BTC value in the account balance for months now with tickets being deep-sixed, and other minor altcoins wallets being in "maintenance" for weeks/months+ with no news of resolution while XPY gets a kiss every few days ...

Moving everything from Cryptsy to someplace that values keeping things working.

Now you do. Can you imagine how much less foolish you would look if you had bothered to read up on the matter before making such an ill informed statement supporting this pack of scamdogs?

P.S: The only vote that matters is your coins on deposit with Cryptsy. If you would rather not support brazen lying scammers whose intent is to defraud you, pull your coins.  If you like being played for a fool, keep them on there and you will eventually get what you are begging for. Simple.

[BitJohn]

Look, you end things before MORE people get hurt
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-corinthian-shutdown-20150427-story.html

Did they fund that college with Paycoin? Im lost....

No they shutdown a scam
[/quote

Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Paycoin only helps the scammers

Bagholders - losing more money everyday

Homero, paycoin foundation, prime controllers - dumping everyday

Your exchange is just helping them steal more, bagholders will never roi, ever

Most folks who take a large loss would probably prefer not to lose the rest of their investment for a total loss. At this time they can still regain a portion of their investment. What you suggest is they lose the entire investment... Easy to suggest for those of us with no XPY holdings.

It's $0.15 they've already lost 100x

A valid observation. Again I do not make that call but I am leaning in that direction.

[BitJohn]

Cryptsy doesn't have to do any of this, but they are.  They are asking people voice there opinion with the vote.  They could just as easily say FU, we run our business our way.  I don't have any reason to believe that Cryptsy would be engaged with Homero in a scam.  How about voting and letting it play out.  If you don't want to trade there due to this, then go trade somewhere else.  

No reason, eh?

everything going like mr garza planned with Big Vern of Cryptsy (thx PRODIGI). i dont remember if this was posted before

Well, this breaks the last straw for me.

Between Ripple continuing to show 0 BTC value in the account balance for months now with tickets being deep-sixed, and other minor altcoins wallets being in "maintenance" for weeks/months+ with no news of resolution while XPY gets a kiss every few days ...

Moving everything from Cryptsy to someplace that values keeping things working.

Now you do. Can you imagine how much less foolish you would look if you had bothered to read up on the matter before making such an ill informed statement supporting this pack of scamdogs?

Excellent research totally out of context. This is an email from a discussion about GAW and Mintsy working together. It took place around the Inside BTC conference in Vegas. http://insidebitcoins.com/las-vegas . Totally unrelated to the topic. Take note we decided not to make this deal and are very happy with digitalBTC. The fact that we have met another influential person in the space is irrelevant. We have met and emailed most of them.

[Adam_Allcock]

Delist and remove PC.

Hope your reputation is stil salvageable....

I will personally never use cryptsy due to this. Making a "poll" about something as obvious as this show you're clueless about your moral stand

[Paul Revere]

Cryptsy doesn't have to do any of this, but they are.  They are asking people voice there opinion with the vote.  They could just as easily say FU, we run our business our way.  I don't have any reason to believe that Cryptsy would be engaged with Homero in a scam.  How about voting and letting it play out.  If you don't want to trade there due to this, then go trade somewhere else.  

No reason, eh?

everything going like mr garza planned with Big Vern of Cryptsy (thx PRODIGI). i dont remember if this was posted before

Well, this breaks the last straw for me.

Between Ripple continuing to show 0 BTC value in the account balance for months now with tickets being deep-sixed, and other minor altcoins wallets being in "maintenance" for weeks/months+ with no news of resolution while XPY gets a kiss every few days ...

Moving everything from Cryptsy to someplace that values keeping things working.

Now you do. Can you imagine how much less foolish you would look if you had bothered to read up on the matter before making such an ill informed statement supporting this pack of scamdogs?

Excellent research totally out of context. This is an email from a discussion about GAW and Mintsy working together. It took place around the Inside BTC conference in Vegas. http://insidebitcoins.com/las-vegas . Totally unrelated to the topic. Take note we decided not to make this deal and are very happy with digitalBTC. The fact that we have met another influential person in the space is irrelevant. We have met and emailed most of them.

I will let you know when I start valuing the opinion of a fucking scam shill.

Again: The only vote that matters is coins on deposit with Cryptsy. If you do not want to support brazen scams that fuck everyone in the Crypto world, pull your coins.