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[boxkite]

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With alt accounts essentially comes the trade with accounts. IMHO you cant have one without the other. If I am allowed to have a second account why should I not be allowed to use the 17th account of someone else. An account they no longer need or want. Since building an account takes time its only natural that I pay a certain amount for the time someone else invested in the account.

"With alt accounts essentially comes the trade with accounts."? That's like saying "A right to shoot you in the face essentially comes with the right to own a gun." What kind of fresh idiocy is that?

Yeah, the "muh free speeches" argument Quickseller trotted out may justify having multiple accounts, but doesn't justify buying a farmed account, with all the trust & clout that goes with it.
Duh.

The reason might be as simple as Im spoiled and I dont want to be hindered by the limitations of a new account.

There are reason limitations are put on brand new accounts. Those reasons have nothing to do with being able to afford a fraction of a coin for an aged one. If you think Satoshi started this forum so that you can make money buying & selling accounts & spamming here, you're mistaken.
All stuff that's obvious to stray dogs & slow children, why must it be explained again and again here?

How do you suggest to solve this problem in a way that is decreasing the chance of successful scams? By an admin saying in some thread that its bad?

Banning the sale of Bitcointalk accounts right fucking here, on Bitcointalk, by trusted members & forum staffers who love them might make the practice less common. Again, why does such obvious stuff need to even be said?

At least we agree that the practice is disgusting (paraphrasing theymos), I'm glad we're finally discussing the mechanics for stomping it out.

[boxkite]

[]Since building an account takes time its only natural that I pay a certain amount for the time someone else invested in the account.

An account is not an investment, at least it shouldn't be. People once came to a forum to exchange ideas about Bitcoin, not to grind change from sig campaigns & to farm accounts by posting technically-passable insipid pap that makes the entire Bitcoin community look differently-enabled.

They also used to come here to READ this forum. They don't anymore, try reading it instead of playing tag with Quickseller, and learn why.
Much of the credit for this goes to you and your friends, the other entrepreneurs "investing time" in accounts.

[Ardenyham]

You mean to tell me i can sell/buy accounts here?
That certainly isn't a good thing to do considering this forum is for giving and sharing knowledge about bitcoin

[ebzec]

You mean to tell me i can sell/buy accounts here?
That certainly isn't a good thing to do considering this forum is for giving and sharing knowledge about bitcoin

Sure can. You bought yours

[shorena]

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"With alt accounts essentially comes the trade with accounts."? That's like saying "A right to shoot you in the face essentially comes with the right to own a gun." What kind of fresh idiocy is that?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWBntJAvTmY

A right you are unable to act out is no right.

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There are reason limitations are put on brand new accounts.

Yes, to decrease spam. Its probably mostly effective against the automated kind though. The limitations have been worse in the past. A discussion in meta with your newbie account would have been signigicantly more difficult while we still had the newbie jail.

Those reasons have nothing to do with being able to afford a fraction of a coin for an aged one. If you think Satoshi started this forum so that you can make money buying & selling accounts & spamming here, you're mistaken.

Things change over time. Sometimes the change is positive, sometimes not. Your opinion that the development is bad is just that, an opinion. It is not the fact you try to make out of it. Whatever Satoshi would or would not think about the discussion at hand is irrelevant. They decided to fade into the shadows and let others handle things.

All stuff that's obvious to stray dogs & slow children, why must it be explained again and again here?

Really? You are the one thats hijacking thread after thread with this topic. You drag it back into the light whenever you can. Your points are always the same. Even this little back and forth is already spinning in circles.

How do you suggest to solve this problem in a way that is decreasing the chance of successful scams? By an admin saying in some thread that its bad?

Banning the sale of Bitcointalk accounts right fucking here, on Bitcointalk, by trusted members & forum staffers who love them might make the practice less common. Again, why does such obvious stuff need to even be said?

So your only solution is an outright ban that might be a solution? Cant you see why this is not acceptable to others? You have nothing to offer but the hope for maybe a little bit, while at the same time creating a very difficult situation for the staff. Your suggestion is as efficient as the prohibition of drugs is helping addicts. Besides that you apparently want to keep the possibility or right to have alt accounts. Thus the only thing your solution would lead to is to drive the sales elsewhere. You would not keep a single scam from happening you would only affect those that trade in accounts for other reasons that are not related to scams.
Spam is a problem, but I currently see a very healthy development in that regard. BadBear has cleaned house enough to reach the elborated spammers, signature campaign managers actually care about the quality of their participants and act against spammers. There also have been several lengthy discussions about the topic and my personal impression is that the community in general is keeping an eye open in that regard.

[tspacepilot]

First, thanks a lot to Shorena for arguing in a reasonable tone.

To some of the other things we've heard here:

What evidence do you have that links him to Quickseller exactly (assuming that's who you're referring to)? Quickseller was knowledgeable of the rules here and that guy clearly isn't because a) he doesn't seem to be aware that you only need to make 1 post per fortnight and not spam quickly to make 14, and 2) Quickseller always made decent posts and didn't 'farm' them this way.

I'm not implying that boxlite was correct in linking these particular farmed accounts to quickseller (did he actually make that link?  I didn't see it) but I do want to ask what evidence you have that Quickseller "always made decent posts and didn't 'farm' in this way"?  How do we know what he did or didn't do?  He's been incredibly secretive about which accounts he sells are farmed and which are traded.  He says that once someone knows an account is an alt or a farmed account it gets negrepped so he doesn't reveal this info (but he *does* go around negrepping other accounts all the time, even ones he hasn't traded with or had any business with, like mine---I'm convinced this has in part to do with the conflict of interest in inherent in both selling accounts and in being on default trust, but that's another topic).  My question to hillarious here is on what evidence do you know what accounts quickseller farmed or how he farmed them?

The reason people can buy/sell/farm accounts is because the forum believes in the right to freedom of speech. The forum wants people to be protected if/when they make an unpopular statement (or in your case to look like an idiot). If the rules regarding multiple accounts were to be removed then you would be breaking the rules by creating accounts in the way that you are (this is of course ignoring the fact that you are breaking the rules by posting for reasons other to appeal your ban after you have been banned multiple times).

Ahh, if I had a bitcoin for everytime quickseller flew off the handle calling someone who disagrees with him an idiot....alas, I'd be richer than Satoshi.  There should be a fun game on this forum where if you find quickseller flying off the handle you get 1pt. and when you find him doing forum masterbation ("I am the world's greatest", "No one is more cool than me",...,etc) you get 2 points.  If we could start flagging these trolling and nonsense masterbation posts perhaps he'd settle down a bit.  I know that the only reason my account has negative trust at the moment is because I had the audacity to call out quickseller for his temper---telling him to calm down and stop being an ass and he basically flipped out, spent two days trolling me with alts and looking for some kinda dirt.  In the end, the only thing he could find were some false accusations from Tradefortress from years ago.

In any case, boxlite seems to not be able to argue without getting too emotional, in that sense he and quickseller are a good match, they can have a "you are an idiot" mudpit fight and we can watch.  Thanks again, Sho, for talking reasonably.  I'm certainly of the opinion that the buying and selling of accounts is basically a complete inversion of the trust system.  As long as people can buy and sell accounts, trust means nothing.  As long as there are trust-rangers who are also in the buying and selling of accounts business, the whole thing is obviously a corrupt joke.

There was some nice discussion in another thread recently about possibly changing the text of the trust warning to something less inflammatory and more descriptive, Salty says he's going to bring up the idea with Theymos, we'll see what happens with that.

[MRKLYE]

I want to ask if i can do more accounts(bitcointalk account) in one IP address?

Yeah, you can have as many accounts as you would like on your IP. Be wary though.. If one of your accounts is red tagged an admin will likely red all of your accounts with something along the lines of "Probable alt of x". Once upon a time I was trying to groom accounts to sell and got smacked by admins, basically throwing out weeks of posting.. It sucked.


Try maybe using TOR or a proxy if you wish to groom accounts for selling.

[ebzec]

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Boxkite would love to answer you, but his account was banned.
Because banning burner accounts is super effective in making friends, restoring order & fostering rational, constructive debate.
Perhaps he should buy himself a quality pre-owned account from one of the douches selling them? 'Coz I'm guessing this one's not gonna last too long.

...or I can just make a free one in ~30 secs

[Quickseller]

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Boxkite would love to answer you, but his account was banned.
Because banning burner accounts is super effective in making friends, restoring order & fostering rational, constructive debate.
Perhaps he should buy himself a quality pre-owned account from one of the douches selling them? 'Coz I'm guessing this one's not gonna last too long.

...or I can just make a free one in ~30 secs

Geeze how many accounts did you create in the last batch that you created? IIRC you have now had 7 accounts banned while making these trolling arguments against me and the practice of engaging in a free market.

Sooner or later your ISP is going to receive a complaint from bitcointalk

[ebzec]

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Sooner or later your ISP is going to receive a complaint from bitcointalk

Lurk moar
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[Quickseller]

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Sooner or later your ISP is going to receive a complaint from bitcointalk

Lurk moar

So you are using tor to register accounts? Then I will ask how much are you paying for the right to troll me consistently as you are? I am sure that the units of evil fee aka tor tax is going to add up.

[ebzec]

How old are you?
http://s8.postimg.org/hjv8534cl/Capture.png
But you ask away, web sleuth
Better yet, why not just contact my ISP & see how that goes?
P.S. You are just a convenient example of the douchebaggery that's destroying this forum. I have nothing against you personally - no more than any of the other scumbags turning this place into spam bazaar

[hilariousandco]

First, thanks a lot to Shorena for arguing in a reasonable tone.

To some of the other things we've heard here:

I'm not implying that boxlite was correct in linking these particular farmed accounts to quickseller (did he actually make that link?  I didn't see it) but I do want to ask what evidence you have that Quickseller "always made decent posts and didn't 'farm' in this way"?  How do we know what he did or didn't do?  He's been incredibly secretive about which accounts he sells are farmed and which are traded.  He says that once someone knows an account is an alt or a farmed account it gets negrepped so he doesn't reveal this info (but he *does* go around negrepping other accounts all the time, even ones he hasn't traded with or had any business with, like mine---I'm convinced this has in part to do with the conflict of interest in inherent in both selling accounts and in being on default trust, but that's another topic).  My question to hillarious here is on what evidence do you know what accounts quickseller farmed or how he farmed them?

Because I am Quickseller  . Lots of people are secretive with their alts but I figure them out occasionally in various ways. He also told me a few of them when I asked. No need to expose them if they're not doing anything wrong. Accounts don't really get neg-repped anymore either and haven't for some time (or only trolls who aren't on the default neg-rep them (usually incorrectly half of the time)). And if he was making shit-posts he would have had all his accounts banned and that was something he was very conscious of.

[CoinFoxs]

First, thanks a lot to Shorena for arguing in a reasonable tone.

To some of the other things we've heard here:

I'm not implying that boxlite was correct in linking these particular farmed accounts to quickseller (did he actually make that link?  I didn't see it) but I do want to ask what evidence you have that Quickseller "always made decent posts and didn't 'farm' in this way"?  How do we know what he did or didn't do?  He's been incredibly secretive about which accounts he sells are farmed and which are traded.  He says that once someone knows an account is an alt or a farmed account it gets negrepped so he doesn't reveal this info (but he *does* go around negrepping other accounts all the time, even ones he hasn't traded with or had any business with, like mine---I'm convinced this has in part to do with the conflict of interest in inherent in both selling accounts and in being on default trust, but that's another topic).  My question to hillarious here is on what evidence do you know what accounts quickseller farmed or how he farmed them?

Because I am Quickseller  . Lots of people are secretive with their alts but I figure them out occasionally in various ways. He also told me a few of them when I asked. No need to expose them if they're not doing anything wrong. Accounts don't really get neg-repped anymore either and haven't for some time (or only trolls who aren't on the default neg-rep them (usually incorrectly half of the time)). And if he was making shit-posts he would have had all his accounts banned and that was something he was very conscious of.

Well are these accounts will be banned for Permanent or For some period of time?

[irfan_pak10]

First, thanks a lot to Shorena for arguing in a reasonable tone.

To some of the other things we've heard here:

I'm not implying that boxlite was correct in linking these particular farmed accounts to quickseller (did he actually make that link?  I didn't see it) but I do want to ask what evidence you have that Quickseller "always made decent posts and didn't 'farm' in this way"?  How do we know what he did or didn't do?  He's been incredibly secretive about which accounts he sells are farmed and which are traded.  He says that once someone knows an account is an alt or a farmed account it gets negrepped so he doesn't reveal this info (but he *does* go around negrepping other accounts all the time, even ones he hasn't traded with or had any business with, like mine---I'm convinced this has in part to do with the conflict of interest in inherent in both selling accounts and in being on default trust, but that's another topic).  My question to hillarious here is on what evidence do you know what accounts quickseller farmed or how he farmed them?

Because I am Quickseller  . Lots of people are secretive with their alts but I figure them out occasionally in various ways. He also told me a few of them when I asked. No need to expose them if they're not doing anything wrong. Accounts don't really get neg-repped anymore either and haven't for some time (or only trolls who aren't on the default neg-rep them (usually incorrectly half of the time)). And if he was making shit-posts he would have had all his accounts banned and that was something he was very conscious of.

Well are these accounts will be banned for Permanent or For some period of time?

if you are caught evading your ban then the length of the ban is generally extended or possibly made permanent.

I would not recommend making one line posts. I would say if you put a good 2-3 mins into each post then you probably will be okay.

[Blazr]

You should seriously update your Tor browser you know, those warnings when you startup are there for a reason. Also if you are trying to stay anonymous, you shouldn't post any images.

[ebzec]

http://s8.postimg.org/hjv8534cl/Capture.png

You should seriously update your Tor browser you know, those warnings when you startup are there for a reason. Also if you are trying to stay anonymous, you shouldn't post any images.

You're right, on both points. Mainly because both are shit discipline on my part. My meh excuse is "good 'nuff" & laziness - the outdated TOR bundle is non-virgin, set up to work with several plugins & automation scripts. The flashing warning's a handy way to tell it apart from the current version, which lives on the same box. The pix posted are .png (no EXIF data), posted through TOR/proxy.
But I'm no 3V01 M4s73r H4x0r, so I'm guessing my slack opsec is "good 'nuff"

[Blazr]

You're right, on both points. Mainly because both are shit discipline on my part. My meh excuse is "good 'nuff" & laziness - the outdated TOR bundle is non-virgin, set up to work with several plugins & automation scripts. The flashing warning's a handy way to tell it apart from the current version, which lives on the same box. The pix posted are .png (no EXIF data), posted through TOR/proxy.
But I'm no 3V01 M4s73r H4x0r, so I'm guessing my slack opsec is "good 'nuff"

You are probably the perfect example of "a little information is dangerous".

If you are running a modified Tor browser, it is almost guaranteed whatever changes you made will be fingerprintable in some way, especially if you installed addons. This means that everything you do on your modified copy of Tor browser can be linked together, so even though you made this account "anonymously" it could be possible for someone to find out what else you've been up to on your copy of Tor browser and find out your identity that way.  So really your "opsec" is probably much lower than that of an average user.

Also even though the screenshot doesn't have any exif data, it is still possible to extract information about your system from it. for example, right away I can tell your running windows 7 or above, but careful analysis of that screenshot will allow an attacker to extract much more information. I was able to determine your timezone as being approximately gmt+10, which means you are likely in Australia/Russia  

With some more careful analysis an attacker could possibly be able to determine which image processing libraries you have installed on your PC and based on that what other software you have installed on your computer and what versions. It is also really easy to figure out what your screen resolution is too. It is then possible to to use this information to link it to other screenshots you may have posted online.

How to stay somewhat anonymous: Download Tor, run it, update it, and don't post anything through it other than short amounts of text, even though techniques exist that can identify your writing style with >90% accuracy from even miniscule amounts of text. Don't modify anything and don't try to "improve" the security unless you seriously know what you are doing, and if you think you know what you are doing then you don't.

[Quickseller]

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Also even though the screenshot doesn't have any exif data, it is still possible to extract information about your system from it. for example, right away I can tell your running windows 7 or above, but careful analysis of that screenshot will allow an attacker to extract much more information. I was able to determine the timezone on your PC as being approximately gmt+10, which means you are likely in Australia/Russia 
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• Hates quickseller
• Creates a large number of thread attacking quickseller
• Lives in GMT+10 timezone

This sounds a lot like serial scammer James Volpe from Melbourne Australia who has stolen an estimated 100 BTC from a large number of HYIP/ponzi scams.

He also sent me the below picture:

while trying to get me to go to this link --> tinyurl . com /obssy99 <-- Maleware/DDoS link and likely dangerous to click on
the above link redirects to networkstresser.com/ video.php?id=68454 <-- Maleware/DDoS link and likely dangerous to click on
and then eventually to http://www.google.fr/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=XXhPVc-3NsGE8QecnYGoBg
The link was sent from sellingmyheromember which was pretty obviously created for the sole intention of targeting me

[ebzec]

You're right, on both points. Mainly because both are shit discipline on my part. My meh excuse is "good 'nuff" & laziness - the outdated TOR bundle is non-virgin, set up to work with several plugins & automation scripts. The flashing warning's a handy way to tell it apart from the current version, which lives on the same box. The pix posted are .png (no EXIF data), posted through TOR/proxy.
But I'm no 3V01 M4s73r H4x0r, so I'm guessing my slack opsec is "good 'nuff"

You are probably the perfect example of "a little information is dangerous".

If you are running a modified Tor browser, it is almost guaranteed whatever changes you made will be fingerprintable in some way, especially if you installed addons. This means that everything you do on your modified copy of Tor browser can be linked together, so even though you made this account "anonymously" it could be possible for someone to find out what else you've been up to on your copy of Tor browser and find out your identity that way.  So really your "opsec" is probably much lower than that of an average user.

Also even though the screenshot doesn't have any exif data, it is still possible to extract information about your system from it. for example, right away I can tell your running windows 7 or above, but careful analysis of that screenshot will allow an attacker to extract much more information. I was able to determine your timezone as being approximately gmt+10, which means you are likely in Australia/Russia  

With some more careful analysis an attacker could possibly be able to determine which image processing libraries you have installed on your PC and based on that what other software you have installed on your computer and what versions. It is also really easy to figure out what your screen resolution is too. It is then possible to to use this information to link it to other screenshots you may have posted online.

How to stay somewhat anonymous: Download Tor, run it, update it, and don't post anything through it other than short amounts of text, even though techniques exist that can identify your writing style with >90% accuracy from even miniscule amounts of text. Don't modify anything and don't try to "improve" the security unless you seriously know what you are doing, and if you think you know what you are doing then you don't.

Ahh... I se I've stumbled on a 1337 h4x0r... OK.
>browser fingerprint different because of plugins.
How is it you manage to give security advice, and don't even understand how shit works?
You're dangerous, brah
But here you go, I'll post my browser prints from both the altered-through-proxy:

http://s23.postimg.org/ow94g087f/Capture.png
...and the unaltered, sans proxy:
http://s9.postimg.org/sq9sc7ekv/Capture.png

Now go to town, show off your mad H4x0r1n skillz, Sparky.
BTW, not sure how you managed to get the timezone wrong, but you did

The muppetry levels here are absolutely phenomenal. Keep up the good work, heroes!

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