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May 10, 2015, 10:05:30 PM
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Quickseller now that I am blocked on your PM here is a reply to your trust rating on me .

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Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account.


From the one of two things :

First : You claim I faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account.
What do you mean faked the sale ? And in Order to protect whose trust rating ? I started scam accusation against Ume, because I thought he was giving out loans to only try and steal accounts. I also posted about his alts giving him the scam accusation.


Second : You claim that I opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. (which didn't happen as the scam accusation thread was opened Later)

But Now,

Please go to the thread and look at this :


After loan period is over:[/b]

Today Ume creates a new thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941098  (after loan period over)

hey guys !!! Smiley

i provided a loan to Twipple : and i got collatearl his account member status i provided 0.02 ! so i got a question ttoday is the repaymnet day but he did`nt pay me yet ! so what to do seize the account ?


Then some one says:

You should discuss with him. Probably he got some difficulties to deal with.  

to which Ume replies

You should discuss with him. Probably he got some difficulties to deal with.  

well i dont even know his new account ! he did`nt try to get to contact with me ! he did`nt transact the amount which i send from his addy so what to do just confused !

In this ^ post he clearly says, that he doesn't even know Twipple's new account , and from the posts mentioned above , we can see that : evrynet is  Twipples alt account who ad posted to confirm his loan, and Ume denies even knowing about it.


Now do you see at the end , that evrynet was an alt of Twipple ? Now I believed that Twipple messaged Ume that he will be using the alt evrynet to get back the account, and I expected Ume to not have deleted the PM along with other terms. If I had started the scam accusation before this message, then he would definitely have deleted it to remove any proof. I wanted to buy that account, to confirm the scam accusation before making any claims. Which is why I contacted him before through another account . And Surprisingly guess what , I didn't wait for his reply for the buying of the account. And rather posted it , once I knew he had seen my message.  
Is this really hard to understand ?  

I also opened the scam accusation after my message to him , and in your trust you claim the opposite" opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply "

Lastly, you say
"put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply"

I paid 0.05 BTC for a Member account. That is not cheap. Rather people pay equal or less for the same kind of account. It was Ume's wish if he wanted to sell me the account. And even if I bought the account, despite it being me who opened the scam accusation, it does not mean I scammed someone.
Neither did I force him to sell it to me because of the scam accusation.

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May 10, 2015, 10:55:41 PM
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Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.
I agree thats the problem with him. Firstly one he starts a scam accusation, he is hardly seen replying back unless the person starts a thread about him.

As for the mods, it won't happen as there isn't a mod for scam accusations on the thread. People are considered to be responsible enough for their decisions to be safe from scams themselves.

I was referring to the fact that QS is currently trusted by BadBear, who is a mod on default trust.  Therefore QS's ratings show up on anyone he decides to ding.  Because he's so nonchalant about using this power against anyone and everyone he's ever had a quarrel with, and he's absolutely remorseless about this MO, the only hope for those who were falsely accused is that he fall off the default trust list.  This can happen two ways: 1) Badbear removes him from his trust list 2) 2 or more people in DefaultTrust1 write "~Quickseller" in their trust lists (effectivly excluding him).

The reason I think it will happen eventually is tha I was falsely accused by Tradefortress nearly 3 years ago.  At the time, he tried to blackmail me to pay him back an arbitrary amount which he accused me of taking from him.  I wouldn't cave to his blackmail and false accusations and for a while, I had a warning on my account because of the feedback from TradeFortress.  However, history eventually vindicated me because TradeFortress revealed himself to be the kind of person he is and he now has one of the lowest trust ratings around (-500, approx).  He was removed from default trust.  Ironically, it's these false accusations from TradeFortress which Quickseller now considers to be his reasons for neg-repping me.  I'm pretty confident that, just like before, people who side with scammers and liars will eventually make mistakes and reveal themselves for who they are and be removed from default trust.  It happened with Tradefortress, why wouldn't it happen with Quickseller when he aligns himself with tradefortress so nonchalalantly?

Time will tell.

Maybe you can PM badbear and explain him the situation ,and make a thread and explain it in that. So if you are not at fault , then you can have it removed.

It has been done.  Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry.  I did make a thread about it,but it quickly degenerated into a mudslinging flame-war that wasn't helping anything productive.  QS doesn't back down and I wasn't going to cop to doing something that I didn't do.  Other mods have written back to me about it that essentially it's up to Badbear who he trusts.  I know I wouldn't want QS's rash reactions and flamethrowing rhetoric blamed on me, but we'll see what happens in the end.
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May 10, 2015, 11:33:17 PM
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[]Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry. []
Yes. BadBear is busy. Be patient and keep posting, and eventually you'll nag him into replying  he'll ban you he'll hear your pleas.

In the meantime, each one of your posts counts towards your sig campaign, so even if he ignores you, you still win!
Always find the bright side, and look at it, see?
Now let's turn that frown upside-down! Smiley
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May 10, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
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[]Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry. []
Yes. BadBear is busy. Be patient and keep posting, and eventually you'll nag him into replying  he'll ban you he'll hear your pleas.

In the meantime, each one of your posts counts towards your sig campaign, so even if he ignores you, you still win!
Always find the bright side, and look at it, see?
Now let's turn that frown upside-down! Smiley

I think most sig campaigns don't count posts in Meta.

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May 11, 2015, 12:13:47 AM
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I think most sig campaigns don't count posts in Meta.

I think that was the plan, but then things got back to normal. IIRC it came down to "text can't be autotranslate/copypaste (Eliza & better chatbots are fine) & character count > 10, it counts.

I don't think there are any set rules tho, because 'soon as you have rules, someone alway finds a loophole & exploits it, so it's up to everybody to tell everybody what to maybe not do, but BadBear wields the banhammer.
Something like that, that's the way it was explained to me.
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May 12, 2015, 04:55:10 PM
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Quickseller, I am sure you read the reply on the top of the page, where I pointed out various things in your trust rating. Any reason , why aren't you replying on the thread regarding that ?
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